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Huge fan of Splinter Cell games here. Chaos Theory is the best SC game, no contest. Skip Double Agent. It's a buggy game with poor plot and pacing that manages to ruin Chaos Theory's mechanics. Conviction is an alright game but only if you approach it as an action game. Sam (with every other main character) loses all of his charm and there's very little humor that made Chaos Theory so great. Blacklist fixes a lot of Conviction's gameplay issues. Ghosting is fun and great for speedrunning. You can choose whatever style you want to play. Unfortunately they made the biggest mistake and hired young actor for Sam. Age was a very important feature of Sam and you just don't believe it's the Sam from the previous games. What really pains me is after Conviction Sam could have had his dry humor back. But no, now he's just generic tough agent man. The new guy should have been his own character and it would work with the "choose your style" theme, him being a new recruit. Lastly, story was always very simple in SC games, it was the characters' interactions that made them exciting and both Conviction and Blacklist takes that away. I love SC series but even the short Ground Zeroes made me love MGS more.

[QUOTE=Marden;47394126]Huge fan of Splinter Cell games here. Chaos Theory is the best SC game, no contest. Skip Double Agent. It's a buggy game with poor plot and pacing that manages to ruin Chaos Theory's mechanics. Conviction is an alright game but only if you approach it as an action game. Sam (with every other main character) loses all of his charm and there's very little humor that made Chaos Theory so great. Blacklist fixes a lot of Conviction's gameplay issues. Ghosting is fun and great for speedrunning. You can choose whatever style you want to play. Unfortunately they made the biggest mistake and hired young actor for Sam. Age was a very important feature of Sam and you just don't believe it's the Sam from the previous games. What really pains me is after Conviction Sam could have had his dry humor back. But no, now he's just generic tough agent man. The new guy should have been his own character and it would work with the "choose your style" theme, him being a new recruit. Lastly, story was always very simple in SC games, it was the characters' interactions that made them exciting and both Conviction and Blacklist takes that away. I love SC series but even the short Ground Zeroes made me love MGS more.[/QUOTE] They really should have made a new character for Blacklist and put Sam in Lambert's role. After Conviction, Sam seemed to be completely done with that shit. He's always been a middle aged guy that was due to retire soon since the first Splinter Cell. I don't think people are super attached to the idea that you HAVE to play as Sam Fisher. People liked the coop guys from Chaos Theory and Conviction just fine.

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;47394003]doesnt' arm strong drop shitloads of paste?[/QUOTE] yeah, he drops 5 of them after that rock throw attack which i never manage to cut through since i'm an idiot enough to protect me from like 3 hits with the damage he deals also his grab attack can go fuck itself forever

[QUOTE=Marden;47394126]Huge fan of Splinter Cell games here. Chaos Theory is the best SC game, no contest. Skip Double Agent. It's a buggy game with poor plot and pacing that manages to ruin Chaos Theory's mechanics. Conviction is an alright game but only if you approach it as an action game. Sam (with every other main character) loses all of his charm and there's very little humor that made Chaos Theory so great. Blacklist fixes a lot of Conviction's gameplay issues. Ghosting is fun and great for speedrunning. You can choose whatever style you want to play. Unfortunately they made the biggest mistake and hired young actor for Sam. Age was a very important feature of Sam and you just don't believe it's the Sam from the previous games. What really pains me is after Conviction Sam could have had his dry humor back. But no, now he's just generic tough agent man. The new guy should have been his own character and it would work with the "choose your style" theme, him being a new recruit. Lastly, story was always very simple in SC games, it was the characters' interactions that made them exciting and both Conviction and Blacklist takes that away. I love SC series but even the short Ground Zeroes made me love MGS more.[/QUOTE] Yeah, having this being my first game, holy shit Sam is the most generic looking, generic sounding, blandest personanality of a video game character. He's basically what would happen if you didn't adjust any sliders when creating an RPG character. I know his old voice actor Micheal Ironisde was actually an older guy (Plus he was in Starship troopers which is the bomb) but the new guy is way too young to sound convincing as someone who is supposed to have an adult daughter. I'm chalking this up to modern game rather than anything else because like you said I've heard his thing used to be dark humor etc at least with Old Snake David was clearly trying to sound older, and while it's subjective as to whether or not you think it'd worked, you could tell it was supposed to be a much older character than ayneone else on the cast.

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;47394284]Yeah, having this being my first game, holy shit Sam is the most generic looking, generic sounding, blandest personanality of a video game character. He's basically what would happen if you didn't adjust any sliders when creating an RPG character. I know his old voice actor Micheal Ironisde was actually an older guy (Plus he was in Starship troopers which is the bomb) but the new guy is way too young to sound convincing as someone who is supposed to have an adult daughter. I'm chalking this up to modern game rather than anything else because like you said I've heard his thing used to be dark humor etc at least with Old Snake David was clearly trying to sound older, and while it's subjective as to whether or not you think it'd worked, you could tell it was supposed to be a much older character than ayneone else on the cast.[/QUOTE] oh man hayter in PW was straight up golden

i haven't finished double agent yet but i can agree that chaos theory is the best in the splinter cell series, even if it was a bitch at times.

Is it worth it to skip MGS 1 and 2? I heard they weren't as story heavy as the rest of the games and my computer got fucked up so I lost my emulator save. I was thinking of just buying a PS3 and playing the HD collection and just read a walkthrough of the rest of 1 and 2.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;47394432]Is it worth it to skip MGS 1 and 2? I heard they weren't as story heavy as the rest of the games and my computer got fucked up so I lost my emulator save. I was thinking of just buying a PS3 and playing the HD collection and just read a walkthrough of the rest of 1 and 2.[/QUOTE] Are you talking about the MSX games Metal Gear 1 & 2? Metal Gear [b]Solid[/b] 1 & 2 are really heavy on the story and are really important. Metal Gear Solid 1 has a good summary of both Metal Gear 1 & 2 in it that you can read.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;47394432]Is it worth it to skip MGS 1 and 2? I heard they weren't as story heavy as the rest of the games and my computer got fucked up so I lost my emulator save. I was thinking of just buying a PS3 and playing the HD collection and just read a walkthrough of the rest of 1 and 2.[/QUOTE] The ones that were pretty skippable were Metal Gear 1 and 2, not Solid 1 and 2.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;47394432]Is it worth it to skip MGS 1 and 2? I heard they weren't as story heavy as the rest of the games and my computer got fucked up so I lost my emulator save. I was thinking of just buying a PS3 and playing the HD collection and just read a walkthrough of the rest of 1 and 2.[/QUOTE] They're probably the most critical parts of Solid's story AKA essential. MGS2 is a real good honest mind fuck not to be missed.

if you mean metal gear and metal gear 2 for the msx or w/e by all means watch a playthrough of that, in fact i'll even give you links. but if you mean metal gear solid and mgs 2 then no, they are story heavy, just mainly through dialogue. also they reference events from mg2 that make more sense once you've played or seen a video of the game. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMD9GN4o7I[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTSD26CZEJo[/media] bonus points if you can notice which fights he had to do multiple times. also is it me or is that old artwork of snake an exact copy of michael biehn?

[QUOTE=spekter;47394473]They're probably the most critical parts of Solid's story AKA essential. MGS2 is a real good honest mind fuck not to be missed.[/QUOTE] Okay, I guess I'll try to recover the save and unfuck my computer. Thanks for the advice.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;47394482]Okay, I guess I'll try to recover the save and unfuck my computer. Thanks for the advice.[/QUOTE] HD collection for PS3 is a good idea. Glorious 60fps.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;47394432]Is it worth it to skip MGS 1 and 2? I heard they weren't as story heavy as the rest of the games and my computer got fucked up so I lost my emulator save. I was thinking of just buying a PS3 and playing the HD collection and just read a walkthrough of the rest of 1 and 2.[/QUOTE] mgs 1 literally lays the foundation for everything that happens afterwards mgs 2 shows the evolution of that foundation into a seriously thought provoking story

[QUOTE=spekter;47394498]HD collection for PS3 is a good idea. Glorious 60fps.[/QUOTE] So i'll finish MGS 1 and then buy a ps3 and the hd collection. thanks for helping me out

[QUOTE=Svinnik;47394529]So i'll finish MGS 1 and then buy a ps3 and the hd collection. thanks for helping me out[/QUOTE] The Playstation Network also has MGS1 for like $10 if you want to play without weird emulation issues.

[QUOTE=Pops;47394476]if you mean metal gear and metal gear 2 for the msx or w/e by all means watch a playthrough of that, in fact i'll even give you links. but if you mean metal gear solid and mgs 2 then no, they are story heavy, just mainly through dialogue. also they reference events from mg2 that make more sense once you've played or seen a video of the game. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMD9GN4o7I[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTSD26CZEJo[/media] bonus points if you can notice which fights he had to do multiple times. also is it me or is that old artwork of snake an exact copy of michael biehn?[/QUOTE] It was supposed to be Kurt Russel IIRC.

[QUOTE=PotatoArmada;47394533]The Playstation Network also has MGS1 for like $10 if you want to play without weird emulation issues.[/QUOTE] or emulate the twin snakes and not the ps1 original

[QUOTE=Pops;47394826]or emulate the twin snakes and not the ps1 original[/QUOTE] Twin Snakes isnt nearly as good as MGS1 though.

[QUOTE=TectoImprov;47394603]It was supposed to be Kurt Russel IIRC.[/QUOTE] It actually is Micheal Biehn, literally traced over [img]http://i.imgur.com/4SfqEe7.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Egevened;47392210]the game's central theme is FAME [/QUOTE] are you the cocksucker who's been spamming this in /mgg/?

[QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;47393986]Metacritic puts it at around a 60, so i'll just spring the 10$ for Chaos Theory this weekend or something. I'll let you know. Not like we've got any metal gear to talk about[/QUOTE] Having played CT on both the original Xbox and the PS3 HD remake I can tell you that the HD remake is pretty much exactly the same as the Xbox one but in 720p, the copy of the original SC it comes with is pretty good too, but the HD remaster of PT runs like shiiiiiiit. I can't attest to what's been said about the PC version having larger levels though. The levels in the console version of the game are pretty fucking amazing though so either way you are in for good times. [editline]25th March 2015[/editline] Also thanks to the current PSN sale I've finally picked up MGR and I'm going to play it for my first time soon. I've played the demo, but that really put me off the game because I was doing abysmally while playing. Any pointers for a new player, specifically one that never played character action games.

[QUOTE=kapin_krunch;47395164]Having played CT on both the original Xbox and the PS3 HD remake I can tell you that the HD remake is pretty much exactly the same as the Xbox one but in 720p, the copy of the original SC it comes with is pretty good too, but the HD remaster of PT runs like shiiiiiiit. I can't attest to what's been said about the PC version having larger levels though. The levels in the console version of the game are pretty fucking amazing though so either way you are in for good times. [editline]25th March 2015[/editline] Also thanks to the current PSN sale I've finally picked up MGR and I'm going to play it for my first time soon. I've played the demo, but that really put me off the game because I was doing abysmally while playing. Any pointers for a new player, specifically one that never played character action games.[/QUOTE] It's weird when PC and console versions are vastly different. Like the console version of ghost recon advanced warfighter 2 is a third person shooter with health you can regenerate and the PC version is a fucking hard FPS where if you get shot you will never get that health back. As for MGR. buy the offensive defensive ability and learn how to properly parry attacks

[QUOTE=Dr.C;47395199]It's weird when PC and console versions are vastly different. Like the console version of ghost recon advanced warfighter 2 is a third person shooter with health you can regenerate and the PC version is a fucking hard FPS where if you get shot you will never get that health back.[/quote] Splinter Cell Double Agent is two completely different games too, not between PC and console though, but between the two generations of consoles. The 360/PS3 version of the game is vastly different to the PS2/Xbox one, the latter being ultra similar to Chaos Theory, and considered better because of it from what I've heard.. [quote] As for MGR. buy the offensive defensive ability and learn how to properly parry attacks[/QUOTE] Also thanks for the tips.

[QUOTE=tempunary;47395156]are you the cocksucker who's been spamming this in /mgg/?[/QUOTE] maybe but niles agrees too

[QUOTE=Egevened;47395735]maybe but niles agrees too[/QUOTE] Niles is a faggot though, so that doesn't say much.

I was joke but I was there when kaz was ocelot and it spiraled out of control I'm scared people actually believe it now

We've all been there man. It's kinda like remembering 'Nam.

[QUOTE=Egevened;47395804]I was joke but I was there when kaz was ocelot and it spiraled out of control I'm scared people actually believe it now[/QUOTE] I still don't get this. It's not even just a meme anymore, it's a [i]genuine theory[/i] that people are spouting adamantly. Like they tried hypnotizing themselves into thinking it's real like Ocelot did to pretend he was Liquid in MGS4.

[QUOTE=RikohZX;47395836]I still don't get this. It's not even just a meme anymore, it's a [i]genuine theory[/i] that people are spouting adamantly. Like they tried hypnotizing themselves into thinking it's real like Ocelot did to pretend he was Liquid in MGS4.[/QUOTE] Still not as ridicilous at these guys... [img]https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1484110_651341288315688_4782351614540028915_n.png?oh=3bdaa32f8b10e0a864d3379c8615626e&oe=557A0499&__gda__=1437689067_1493b49dd9e48c6288820629a9d43e72[/img]