[QUOTE=kibbleknight;48983150]I haven't played PD2 for nearly as long as some people, but I've been around for most of TF2's wild ride from humble beginnings to the shenanigans it is now.
I can certainly understand being angry about them going against their own word 2 years later, but people need to calm down.
Sure its something to get a little flustered over, but it will blow over and eventually you wont even bat an eye at it, that's how tf2 is, and you should learn to just deal with it.
The game is still the same game it was before, its just got a few extra flashy attachments.[/QUOTE]
It will blow over in the sense that Overkill will continue with its shitty treatment of the community. Nothings going to change. Tf2 is hardley the same game it was so many years ago, that's why so many people are upset. People don't want the game to keep on this path.
[QUOTE=kibbleknight;48983150]I haven't played PD2 for nearly as long as some people, but I've been around for most of TF2's wild ride from humble beginnings to the shenanigans it is now.
I can certainly understand being angry about them going against their own word 2 years later, but people need to calm down.
Sure its something to get a little flustered over, but it will blow over and eventually you wont even bat an eye at it, that's how tf2 is, and you should learn to just deal with it.
The game is still the same game it was before, its just got a few extra flashy attachments.[/QUOTE]
It's more the principal than it is the actual thing. Yeah, in reality the addition is just skins that you can ignore, but when you think about it, it's Overkill going back on promises they made about the game, trying to squeeze as much money out of their playerbase as possible, adding microtransactions on top of $100 worth of DLC in a game where paying money really does give you more gameplay advantages than not. It's awful and scummy of Overkill and after the constant release of paid DLC with immense power creeps, microtransactions were just the worst possible thing to do to the playerbase of the game.
Yeah the game is the same (except not really, pay 2 win!!!) but the company is a piece of shit more than ever, (and for me that affects the game). It's a shame they really can get away with this because people are just like "meh whatever". I used to respect Overkill back in the PD:TH days, but, man, fuck Overkill. That AMA just proved they don't give a single shit and seriously only care about the $$money$$.
[QUOTE=DarklytheGreat;48983102]ive been playing since 2012
i get why people are mad
but i dont get why people are [i]this[/i] mad[/QUOTE]
Because now after the AMA i believe most of the people lost the interest on the game since it looks like it's going to be getting worst, there will be content for sure but it looks they are more interested on doing it as DLCs and added more safes rather than actual free updates that we should get after all the support we have given to them. Also the whole Crimefest was stupid, doing a lot of challenges, some being very difficult to complete, to unlock "rewards" that aren't worth the effort went for it and actual updates that should be shipped without this. Is still the same game? Kind of, but at least for me it's not the same game, i don't have expectations on the community being treated like it should and that's what it makes me sad
[QUOTE=Zadrave;48981138]The problem with me is that there's no other good co-op shooters to play that still get updates
I know there's KF2 but it's in early access and is developing slowly. Also don't find shooting zombies all that satisfying.
GTA V is riddled with problems and grind[B]
TF2 is pretty much a dead game[/B]
There's just nothing. And I guess that's why I'm still gonna play Payday 2, it's still currently the best co-op shooter to play at the moment in my eyes. And that's kinda sad.[/QUOTE]
TF2 is the 3rd most played game on steam, how is it dead?
I still play, add me
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/76561197980016915/[/url]
If anyone needs someone to play a heist or junk, you could add me too I guess.
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/OriginalSpaceName/[/url]
I know this is random. But i only got into payday around august/july and it makes me kinda sad to see all this happening so quickly. Payday 2 gave me a lot of fun and PD:TH was really intense from the few heists i did on it. I can only hope some good can come out from all the lost mod support and backlash.
Man, the shit show isn't even over. Today we'll get to hear Almir's shitty responses, since he's doing an interview with a community member. The guy doing the interview, Tuffcooke, is a pretty rad guy but I don't see him changing Almir's mind, heck I don't think his responses are going to be any different.
[QUOTE=Eldariub;48983822]Man, the shit show isn't even over. Today we'll get to hear Almir's shitty responses, since he's doing an interview with a community member. The guy doing the interview, Tuffcooke, is a pretty rad guy but I don't see him changing Almir's mind, heck I don't think his responses are going to be any different.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't he the author of a very popular thread about how Overkill needs to get their shit in order? I doubt he'll be one to sit there and take PR guy bullshit, so this should be very interesting.
Tuffcooke: "I think this is bullshit."
Almir: "The statistics say that you think it's fine!"
[QUOTE=kyle877;48983855]Tuffcooke: "I think this is bullshit."
Almir: "The statistics say that you think it's fine!"[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OgqtW9MDA[/media]
Am I the only fucker here that [i]didn't[/i] use mods?
whats your favorite gun to click the cops with
mine is the bronco
i love my matever and car-4
Didn't the only buff shotguns get was an increase in the amount of pellets? I was firing my shotgun, and I remember previously there were only like five pellets in a shotgun blast. Now there are a lot more than that.
So I just finished Slaughterhouse DW with VietRooster2, where I learned suck at Death Wish. The sheer amount of Tazers and Cloakers kept me down every 15 seconds. :surrender:
It's a serious shame that such a wonderful community was torn apart by such a shameful event. Watching the attitudes of prevalent modders switch from "lets make the game better!" to "I'm done with this." is disheartening, to say the least. Oh, well. I'm especially sad to see DMCWO go, with him being a forum member, and all. Your mod was solid, DMC. Sorry to see you go.
for those people saying that the game isn't fun anymore
sorry for you not having friends since it's still a blast with friends
taking my friends through the game at the moment and we've gone in doing the heists in order of appearance so leaving the latest DLC heists for later and it's great fun seeing them enjoy the game for what it is
so many people have become insanely salty at overkill which to a degree is fair since they did lie about a lot of stuff
but does that detract from the game? yes because they're gonna keep pumping out dlc, and no because dlc isn't everything
[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;48984381]for those people saying that the game isn't fun anymore
sorry for you not having friends since it's still a blast with friends
taking my friends through the game at the moment and we've gone in doing the heists in order of appearance so leaving the latest DLC heists for later and it's great fun seeing them enjoy the game for what it is
so many people have become insanely salty at overkill which to a degree is fair since they did lie about a lot of stuff
but does that detract from the game? yes because they're gonna keep pumping out dlc, and no because dlc isn't everything[/QUOTE]
It does affect enjoyment of the game, but not in an immediate sort of way, but rather the future. A lot of people just feel betrayed and have a lack of faith in Overkill. There isn't a positive future to look towards for somebody like me, and it can honestly make the prospect of playing the game a little less appealing, because now it just seems like the developers don't care for the community very much anymore.
I haven't personally transformed into one of those people that uninstalled the game and refuse to have anything to do with the game, but I am feeling like there is going to be a bit of a hiatus before I return, even when mods finally start working again.
[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;48984381]for those people saying that the game isn't fun anymore
sorry for you not having friends since it's still a blast with friends[/QUOTE]
Perhaps the overall mood of the larger community (outside of their immediate friend-group) is killing all of the fun for them. I know that it's putting a damper on it for my own personal enjoyment.
[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;48984381]for those people saying that the game isn't fun anymore
sorry for you not having friends since it's still a blast with friends
taking my friends through the game at the moment and we've gone in doing the heists in order of appearance so leaving the latest DLC heists for later and it's great fun seeing them enjoy the game for what it is
so many people have become insanely salty at overkill which to a degree is fair since they did lie about a lot of stuff
but does that detract from the game? yes because they're gonna keep pumping out dlc, and no because dlc isn't everything[/QUOTE]
Any game is a blast with friends. I shouldn't need to say that if the only part that makes a game fun are friends then that doesn't mean a whole lot. Regardless, I played PD2 with a couple of my friends a bit throughout Crimefest (and these guys have played the game for hours on end and are also the ones who got me back into playing it), and the bitterness that Crimefest left behind stuck. We didn't have nearly as much fun as we used to with the game and we're only able to play one game at a time before calling quits.
[QUOTE=Notanything;48984193]Didn't the only buff shotguns get was an increase in the amount of pellets? I was firing my shotgun, and I remember previously there were only like five pellets in a shotgun blast. Now there are a lot more than that.[/QUOTE]
Bain's been cheaping out on us and bought birdshot instead of buckshot to save some money.
Uh, has anyone done the Overdrill and had someone leave and want to rejoin but they're unable to do so after the vault is open?
Is this a countermeasure they put in place or is this something from the first game?
[editline]26th October 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=mralexs;48984196]So I just finished Slaughterhouse DW with VietRooster2, where I learned suck at Death Wish. The sheer amount of Tazers and Cloakers kept me down every 15 seconds. :surrender:[/QUOTE]
Ah, hell, you tried at least. I assume you haven't played much DW before so you weren't aware of the kind of mindset/playstyles you have to put yourself into in order to succeed consistently, especially on a heist like Slaughterhouse.
That and you weren't in the call with the rest of us so you didn't know, mistake on my part but I doubt you wanted to give us your Skype (if you even had one), etc.
It was fun playing with you though, just do a liiiittle more listening next time. :cat:
I feel like I want to apologize to all those people in the steam forums who were always saying "overkill is OVERGREED" before crimefest 2015, as every DLC gets released someone always says the word "OVERGREED" in steam forums and I rush to defend overkill and point out that he is wrong, but now I'm the wrong guy, and I want to apologize to those people, I'm sorry, you were right, these fuckers deserve nothing, I regret every word i wrote that day.
I posted this in the news node in a PD2 newsblot, but I think you guys wanna hear it AGAIN too.
They (OVERKILL) actually have a really funny business cycle with Starbreeze.
Short version since I don't want to type it out again.:
Starbreeze AB is funding about 7 other games for various studios, has a bunch of license deals (merchandise, John Wick, music and likenesses), poured millions into StarVR (which does sound impressive), bought a BRAND NEW GAME ENGINE (Valhalla) with a few cold millions, and are also paying the salaries for all the people working on these things, as well as their own personal salaries etc. Not to mention benefits like healthcare and insurance.
Where is all that money coming from..?
PAYDAY 2. Solely. It's literally the ONLY product under Starbreeze right now making them consistent cash! [b]THE. ONLY. THING.[/b] From a business standpoint, let's use the legal term to describe it, which it is "[i][b]fucking insane.[/b][/i]"
There are, of course, stocks and investors, but PAYDAY 2 is the only [i]product[/i] sporting them funds and investors etc.
OVERKILL simply got the order from Starbreeze to find a way to make more steady cash out of PD2, since DLC's stopped selling as well (most people had them and the leftovers waited for sales, free keys, or plain didn't buy them).
So, in general; don't hate OVERKILL. Hate Starbreeze for getting too ambitious and putting insane amounts of pressure on a single title.
I'd like to request EVERYONE to spread this info around ^^^ so that people know the situation behind it. I don't care much for micros either, but I know the guys at OVK, and they don't deserve all this flak. The only people that need to be pressured upon is Starbreeze.
Thanks for the info, I'd suggest You should post that in Reddit too, that should calm "them" there
[QUOTE=Dougley;48984545]I posted this in the news node in a PD2 newsblot, but I think you guys wanna hear it AGAIN too.
They (OVERKILL) actually have a really funny business cycle with Starbreeze.
Short version since I don't want to type it out again.:
Starbreeze AB is funding about 7 other games for various studios, has a bunch of license deals (merchandise, John Wick, music and likenesses), poured millions into StarVR (which does sound impressive), bought a BRAND NEW GAME ENGINE (Valhalla) with a few cold millions, and are also paying the salaries for all the people working on these things, as well as their own personal salaries etc. Not to mention benefits like healthcare and insurance.
Where is all that money coming from..?
PAYDAY 2. Solely. It's literally the ONLY product under Starbreeze right now making them consistent cash! [b]THE. ONLY. THING.[/b] From a business standpoint, let's use the legal term to describe it, which it is "[i][b]fucking insane.[/b][/i]"
There are, of course, stocks and investors, but PAYDAY 2 is the only [i]product[/i] sporting them funds and investors etc.
OVERKILL simply got the order from Starbreeze to find a way to make more steady cash out of PD2, since DLC's stopped selling as well (most people had them and the leftovers waited for sales, free keys, or plain didn't buy them).
So, in general; don't hate OVERKILL. Hate Starbreeze for getting too ambitious and putting insane amounts of pressure on a single title.
I'd like to request EVERYONE to spread this info around ^^^ so that people know the situation behind it. I don't care much for micros either, but I know the guys at OVK, and they don't deserve all this flak. The only people that need to be pressured upon is Starbreeze.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, no. I'm still disgusted with Overkill.
[QUOTE=Mochnel;48984566]Thanks for the info, I'd suggest You should post that in Reddit too, that should calm the monsters there[/QUOTE]
They can find it on their own terms. Either someone else post it, or just let them figure it out.
Shorter version.:
PD2 makes big cash. They start investing like mad; they need more profits, so push out some DLC.
That isn't cutting it any more due to new investments; make more. Be a little more aggressive.
They start investing big time.
Come around hype train; oh no! We're not seeing any returns on all these massive investments we made, and we have stocks and investors towards us to worry about. We need more profits so we don't bankrupt ourselves and piss off more devs. Cue Hype Train.
OH NO! We're still not making enough since we did a dumb fucking business decision. Uh.. microtransactions! That'll get us consistent cash!
Whoops.
They aren't bad people; they got too ambitious.
If you want to make a statement, you can either support them and let it not be another GRIN-esque scenario, or don't pay up; teach Bo a lesson or two why he should take things slow and not try to make a lot happen at once.
[QUOTE=ElusiveBadger;48984576]Yeah, no. I'm still disgusted with Overkill.[/QUOTE]
You're disgusted at OVERKILL for following orders?
Maybe they got too ambitious but rhat doesn't explain why almir said so much bullshit in the AMA
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