What the fuck. I just lost connection to a game like, a few moments before it would have ended, and it didn't count all of the supplies I grabbed but it still made my people go hungry, get sick and die. I literally had only a few hungry people and now I have 87 that aren't well.
One thing that drove me nuts about the game was you can't switch shoulders with the camera while just walking around. Seems kind of silly to leave something like that out in this day and age.
I liked how in Winter if you [sp]looked in Ellie's backpack you could see all the stuff she has like Sam's toy and a letter from her mom. I also liked how if you zoomed in on them she would say something. [/sp]
Just saw ending
[sp]Completely agree with Joel.[/sp]
Once Good Men decide that all means are permitted to fight an Evil, then their Good becomes indistinguishable from the Evil they set out to destroy.
[sp]this applies to both Joel and the fireflies[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mini Shot;41065706]I liked how in Winter if you [sp]looked in Ellie's backpack you could see all the stuff she has like Sam's toy and a letter from her mom. I also liked how if you zoomed in on them she would say something. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I thought it was funny that half of her backpack was full of children's joke books.
You otter be kidding[/sp]
[QUOTE=RaxaHax;41065827][sp]I thought it was funny that half of her backpack was full of children's joke books.
You otter be kidding[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] I half expected there to be an old disc copy of Uncharted in her backpack when I saw you could look inside of it. [/sp]
All spoilers below are about the ending FYI, they may spoil a few various other points in the game but it's mainly the ending and explanations of it.
[sp]Why are people thinking a vaccine equals a cure? They're two different things, a vaccine would prevent infection assuming it was used before being bitten, as in if you were to be bitten you wouldn't turn and a cure simply reverses the condition if turned or if already infected, stops it. In The Last of Us it's a possible vaccine, not a cure meaning the infected still remain, they're still a threat and all it means is you can't become one of them as long as you had the vaccine injected before being bitten. I guess it makes it easier to survive seeing as the infection can't spread via Humans any more but the Infected are still there wandering about, this is assuming the vaccine would actually work and Ellie's death was not in vain which was too much of a risk seeing as how the fuck are you going to supply the vaccine to everyone? It's far too late for a vaccine, 20 years too late actually, a cure would be preferred but is seemingly impossible. All that humanity would be able to do is rebuild, a vaccine would assist slightly in doing that but even then it means fuck all if the infected remain as a blight on humanity. Humans have simply gone back to how we survived in the past, when we were threatened with death every second of every day. In the end all you can do is Endure and Survive.
Pretty sure they can starve so you can just wait it out and afterwards burn all the bodies producing the spores in enclosed locations while wearing a gas mask to protect yourself. And if they can't starve eventually they'll reach the last stage of infection, dying and attempting to spread it via spores. This is the stage you are at an advantage seeing as with a gas mask they are no threat to you, allowing you to burn them and clear the area of spores.
Ellie clearly wasn't willing to die due to the fact she wanted to "learn how to swim" after it was all over, she says it a bit before she drowns if I remember correctly. It's believed by both that all the Fireflies will do is take some blood from Ellie and make a vaccine with it, not fucking slice and dice her brain. When Marlene at the end goes on about it's what Ellie would have wanted, yeah WOULD, not WANTS, she didn't even do it with Ellie's permission the crazy bitch, Marlene just wanted it to end seeing as how she was so tired of all the sacrifices made previously and wants some bullshit personal reprieve, baw baw fuck you Marlene! Down with the Fireflies!
So at the very end of the journey Ellie shows her survivors guilt, explaining how Riley died and she didn't and blames herself, yadayadayada. Joel then lies to her so as to console/comfort her and then it ends.
I have been seeing some people saying how Joel is a monster but that's as far from the truth as possible, morals don't exist any more sadly, only survival. You can go ahead and practice the human-created concept of morality if you want to die though, that's fine. All of the death was simply for survival, everyone is merely surviving, bringing the concept of morality into a world like this is laughable. Wouldn't it be so kind for one to help another in need like those fucking bandits pretending to be injured early in the game after you get the car? Joel survived 20 god-damn years because he knew morals at this point only get you killed and sometimes you will have to do some crazy shit to survive that would be regarded as "bad" normally.
TL:DR Fireflies are fucking nuts, Joel did everything correctly.
Oh yeah if there was to be a The Last of Us 2, Joel and Ellie are not involved supposedly told by game staff because their story is over, shame though since they're great characters. Then again perhaps they can change their minds, didn't they say you only played as Joel and not Ellie even though you actually play as both or am I wrong on this? I haven't actually checked on this, just heard it about. I'd prefer they stay with the awesome characters but I don't know how they would achieve that since it does feel like their story has been completely told, at least to me.[/sp]
Now for a non-spoiler: If ND were to make a sequel, what do you guys think it would be about? Who would your character(s) be? One of the various different factions maybe?
I'd almost consider reading any part of that if I knew what was going to be spoiled.
I mean come on the game is 14+ hours long. There's a lot to talk about.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41066133]all about the ending
[editline]17th June 2013[/editline]
[sp]it would be dumb to make a cure for something that permanently mutilates the body, and destroys most of the brain, it would really be a medical miracle to do such a thing and to be honest, not worth the risk at all necessary to inject or otherwise cure the already infected[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Yeah so that's basically impossible but a vaccine is not. Vaccine is silly at that point though, the Infected can still kill you obviously, just not infect. You could just wait it out since they require food like us then burn those god-damn bodies producing spores. Good lucky supplying the vaccine at that point in time too, everyone is too busy surviving to give a shit and I doubt you have the resources. The only way a cure would actually work is if they have just been bitten and soon they'll turn, so they could cure it before it happens, destroying the infection. Any later stage wouldn't work, except maybe the first stage where they break down, that may work since they're not too far gone.[/sp]
Also yeah all the spoilers I posted above are about the ending, I don't suggest you read any of them unless you already know or don't care.
Did you have to [sp]kill the 3 surgeons at the end or was it optional because I shot the knife one in the head and burned the rest with the flamethrower lol[/sp]
[QUOTE=nayr7259;41066261]Did you have to [sp]kill the 3 surgeons at the end or was it optional because I shot the knife one in the head and burned the rest with the flamethrower lol[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] You had to kill the main one threatening you, not shooting him just means Joel stabs him I think, I just shot him as soon as he threatened me though. The other two are optional pretty sure, I personally didn't since they were no threat, too busy cowering.[/sp]
I've had this since thursday but was away for the weekend, I just started digging into it now. Holy shit that intro.
Just remember this game doesn't hold your hand that much when it comes to objectives so it may get you killed if you fail to quickly grasp what to do, like it doesn't have massive arrows pointing where to go 24/7 and so on. That happened to me a few times so do be careful. If you get stuck for a certain period of time it does show you where to go or what to do so as to reduce frustration if you are having difficulty but normally it's obvious enough what to do.
Yeah the intro is pretty intense.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41066259]also something to consider [sp]fireflies would probably make the vaccine cost ration tickets or some sort of fee/price, considering how fucked up people are[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]They probably would use it to further their agenda, yeah. Or if people didn't side with their views, refuse to give it to them. The Military probably wouldn't be given it seeing the way they treated the Fireflies to begin with.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rathlin1;41066211][sp] Yeah so that's basically impossible but a vaccine is not. Vaccine is silly at that point though, the Infected can still kill you obviously, just not infect. You could just wait it out since they require food like us then burn those god-damn bodies producing spores. Good lucky supplying the vaccine at that point in time too, everyone is too busy surviving to give a shit and I doubt you have the resources. The only way a cure would actually work is if they have just been bitten and soon they'll turn, so they could cure it before it happens, destroying the infection. Any later stage wouldn't work, except maybe the first stage where they break down, that may work since they're not too far gone.[/sp]
Also yeah all the spoilers I posted above are about the ending, I don't suggest you read any of them unless you already know or don't care.[/QUOTE]
[sp]I don't think the infected require food. It's more like when the fungus is done eating them or whatever, they go to a location and just die there while the fungus spreads its spores everywhere. Just like how the fungus works on ants I think. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Mini Shot;41066719][sp]I don't think the infected require food. It's more like when the fungus is done eating them or whatever, they go to a location and just die there while the fungus spreads its spores everywhere. Just like how the fungus works on ants I think. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] The infected do require food, you see runners eating corpses all the time. It's just that when they die the fungus absorbs the body and converts it into spores. All you really need to do to wipe out a group of infected is to lock them in an area, wait for them all to die, then go in with flamethrowers and gasmasks and burn the spores. That would take a long time and a lot of fuel.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mini Shot;41066719][sp]I don't think the infected require food. It's more like when the fungus is done eating them or whatever, they go to a location and just die there while the fungus spreads its spores everywhere. Just like how the fungus works on ants I think. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yeah, they can't starve. How else would they become clickers and bloaters? That takes years to happen. The fungi probably makes it's own food from the sun or shit, like most plants and fungi do. Cordyceps is self-sufficient.
Trying to wait out the infected would just result in more clickers and bloaters, and less runners. Not much of a step up in my opinion.[/sp]
[editline]spores[/editline]
[sp]Besides, the spore cavader corpses aren't really what happens after bloaters anyway. It's what happens when they're injured, but not killed right away. Otherwise, every cavader corpse would be a bloater - but most of them are just normal infected.[/sp]
[editline]spoilers[/editline]
None of these are story-related spoilers, by the way. Just so you can be surprised when you encounter the different stages.
[QUOTE=Mini Shot;41066719][sp]I don't think the infected require food. It's more like when the fungus is done eating them or whatever, they go to a location and just die there while the fungus spreads its spores everywhere. Just like how the fungus works on ants I think. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] It would be quite strange for them to not require food or any sustenance at all yet still operate, even then it just means you have to wait it out for a longer period of time than if they starved. Pretty sure I saw runners killing and eating a person while you're starting the game off with Tess, as in they were eating not spreading the infection. They could survive long enough with food to reach the later stages of infection but if they're in isolation with no food like at the university to name an example then I guess they don't require it. It would have to get sustenance somehow though, via sun wouldn't work since those infected were indoors, away from any outside light source, at least in that example. Does it even explain how they survive? Or do they just magically require no sustenance?
In the end it doesn't matter anyway, a vaccine wouldn't do much honestly seeing how it's nigh impossible to supply it to everyone and halt the spread of the infection with everyone scattered and hostile.. Waiting it out or hunting the infected down are the only two options, being unable to be infected doesn't mean they can't kill you anyway. If you were to wait it out long enough, they'd evolve into the clickers and so on and eventually die and begin producing the spores and so you can go burn them. Fuel wouldn't be an issue, I saved up enough flame-thrower fuel in my play through to kill the infection solely. ;) I didn't really use it that much but from what I saw it's actually pretty effective, burn those damn plant people.
It's strange how it would jump to humans, supposedly through primates from insects seeing as how the monkeys were being tested on with the infection at the university, I wonder how it all went down, who was patient zero I mean? Do you think if they make a sequel it would explain what happened?[/sp]
Jesus, so much black text it feels like I'm reading a CIA document.
Just traded in my 360 and all my games, got myself a 500gb PS3 with The Last of Us, PS+, and a number of other games. So far I'm liking it
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;41066752][sp]Yeah, they can't starve. How else would they become clickers and bloaters? That takes years to happen. The fungi probably makes it's own food from the sun or shit, like most plants and fungi do. Cordyceps is self-sufficient.
Trying to wait out the infected would just result in more clickers and bloaters, and less runners. Not much of a step up in my opinion.[/sp]
[/QUOTE]
Fungi don't have chlorophyll, and are unable to do photosynthesis. They live by breaking down organic matter and absorbing it through hypae (a kind of root, if you will). When you look at a fungus, what you see most of the time is actually just the equivalent of a plant's fruit.
[sp]Some guy on youtube said that the ending was Ellie getting pregnant to pass on her genes rofl[/sp]
[QUOTE=nayr7259;41066906][sp]Some guy on youtube said that the ending was Ellie getting pregnant to pass on her genes rofl[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] Yeah well on message boards people keep ranting on about how The Last of Us ended with a "happy" ending and how Ellie wanted to do the death-causing surgery even though it never heavily implies such. It was believed by both Joel and Ellie it was something like like a simple blood sample and congrats a vaccine and then they could go live their lives so I don't bother with listening to message boards or crazy YouTube theories.[/sp]
B[B]y the way those that are asking how far they are in the game, just check the game completion bar in the options, the percentage shown is purely story based, not including collectibles or anything like that into the percentage if I remember correctly. That will give you indication on how far you are in the game.[/B]
Am I the only one who thinks there's lots of connection betwen Last of Us and Bioshock infinte?
[sp]Main hero, middle-aged grieving man over loss of his daughter, voiced by Troy Baker, has to deliever a special girl to some place(granted, it was made up in Bioshock, but still), they go on a long journey where they end up having strong bond;
One of the antagonists, is a black woman, who's leader of rebels, has our protagonist do a favor for her, because her people are losing and they need a leverage, plus main antagonist needs special girl to serve their ends
Also,both of special girls have some physical deformities that are linked to their abilities(bite mark showing Ellie's immune, Elizabeth's missing pinky finger).[/sp]
Welp. Friend was showing me some updates for a game on its website and within the dozen or so posts, someone I'm pretty sure posted what happens in the end in one sentence. :suicide:
Considering the ending:
[sp]I don't think that Joel did the wrong thing, but he was a bit selfish. Although I understand that he never got over the fact that he lost his daughter and Ellie came just in time to fill that hole Sarah left behind. I think Ellie was just the thing Joel needed to keep fighting to live another day. Ellie gave him something to life for again and he wasn't letting that slip. Not again.
But on the other hand he might have also doomed the human race for all eternity by taking Ellie away from the fireflys. If they could've manufactured a cure from Ellies infection, he really fucked the human race quite royally.
In the end we don't know whether Ellie was the savior for the human race or not, because we never got that far. All we know that it could've been the cure, or then Ellie would've just been another casualty without any particular significance.
If I was on Joel's shoes, I would've probably done the same.[/sp]
The ending had me confused, at first I thought there were multiple. But I gotta say..... [sp]When Joel lies to Ellie about what happend... I kind of got mad at him, but I would still have saved her[/sp]
Ending spoilers.
[sp]Why are so many people assuming that harvesting Ellie's brain will create a vaccine? The records you can find on the run to the operating room show that they've harvested at least a dozen other immune people and are no closer to finding a solution. Ellie's brain isn't made of fairy dust the Fireflies are going to sparkle over the world, and the researchers don't seem to be the best qualified/competent.
A vaccine also wouldn't get rid of the infected so you'd have to vaccinate everybody AND kill all the infected to get rid of the problem. In the world of The Last of Us that isn't exactly feasible.
I say fuck the Fireflies, all we've seen them do is make life worse and killing Ellie isn't worth the chance that they might make a breakthrough.[/sp]
Also someone here mentioned it was 18+ hours, I beat it in 10, and I did by no means rush it. I tried to make it last as long as possible.
[QUOTE=Zar;41068008]Also someone here mentioned it was 18+ hours, I beat it in 10, and I did by no means rush it. I tried to make it last as long as possible.[/QUOTE]
It's easily 18+ if you inspect every nook and cranny.
[sp]The knife hide and seek battle in that diner when playing as ellie [/sp] is now my most favourite boss fight ever in any game. That was so tense.
[QUOTE=Mashak;41067629]Am I the only one who thinks there's lots of connection betwen Last of Us and Bioshock infinte?
[sp]Main hero, middle-aged grieving man over loss of his daughter, voiced by Troy Baker, has to deliever a special girl to some place(granted, it was made up in Bioshock, but still), they go on a long journey where they end up having strong bond;
One of the antagonists, is a black woman, who's leader of rebels, has our protagonist do a favor for her, because her people are losing and they need a leverage, plus main antagonist needs special girl to serve their ends
Also,both of special girls have some physical deformities that are linked to their abilities(bite mark showing Ellie's immune, Elizabeth's missing pinky finger).[/sp][/QUOTE]
My spoilers are all about the ending and explanations with some theories to deal with lack of game plot explanation, I do strongly suggest you don't read any spoilers at all, especially mine seeing as it will ruin your wonderful experience of the game mainly the ending in my case. Seriously unless you don't care or you already completed the game don't do it.
[sp]I think I saw someone's review comparing those two games like that, I prefer The Last of Us though, for me Joel and Ellie - they seem more real than Booker and Elizabeth. Then again it being a crazy sky city-based game probably skewed my perception of them.
But yeah Marlene is one of main enemies, just not in a obvious sense, I mean you didn't even find her until the end of the game and she was friendly at first to further her agenda of smuggling Ellie to them and attempting to create a vaccine. Her and David, mainly David for most of the game though seeing as he led the Hunters, the faction of cannibals and those that you fight through-out the game.
Even if the vaccine was created, who's to say it would work? A death in vain if it didn't. Even if it worked, who's to say it would even make much difference at that point in time, 20 years of the infection spreading, 20 years of it infecting people. How much would a vaccine do against that? The newspaper in-game said how 60%+ of humanity was either dead or infected at the time of being published, with the survivors scattered far across the country, far across the world. This is no cure, a simple immunity is all there can be. As said, it's 20 years too late. If it was created at the beginning of the outbreak, somewhat after I mean then yeah it would help a lot, it would turn the tide and the infection would fail to spread very far seeing as if everyone was immune, they couldn't spread the infection.
About Ellie's infection, what I was thinking when I saw Ellie's bite was: Is she a carrier? The infection may not turn her but can she still spread it through other contact? She clearly carries the infection but can it spread to other people via something like a kiss? It spread via spores and bites, biting someone would expose them to your saliva and any disease then residing in the mouth, a kiss would cause the exchange of saliva as well. It seems it can as she bit/scratched David and told him he's now infected, she's aware that she is a carrier. This is problematic seeing as how she can't have a traditional relationship unless the partner is too immune to the infection.
But as I was saying a vaccine is useless at this point, very limited use compared to if it was achieved early in outbreak. The Fireflies are pure loonies, hoping all the sacrifices made by them weren't in vain. Marlene talks about this in the recorders found in the hospital, how this could "save" humanity. Humanity sadly is beyond saving by a vaccine, and a cure is pretty much impossible due to how the infection works, covering and damaging the brain and corrupting the body with spore growth.
Even then the Fireflies would probably use the vaccine, if it worked, to achieve complete dominance. They already have assault rifles, vehicles, electricity, everything you could want. Do you think they would give such power up? I very much doubt it. Marlene had to die, being pushed to the brink, risking the possibility that all the sacrifices made were in vain I doubt she would stop at anything to bring back Ellie and attempt to use her for a vaccine. Ellie herself feared everything was for nothing through-out the game, hoping she could create a vaccine with her blood, not via surgery. She very much preferred to live however. The Fireflies didn't care though, Marlene talks about how her permission to go on with the surgery was a formality, they would go on with it even if Marlene or Ellie refused. That's why they had to die, to ensure Ellie's survival. The main doctor even threatens you when you try to rescue Ellie forcing you to kill him, the other two are optional, they're not threat though, they just cower in the corner, call you an animal and be quiet afterwards.
The way any disease works however is that not only one person is naturally resisted to it, a lot are. A minority compared to the vast population of humanity obviously but they are plentiful, although odds are they would be all across the world, they could even be dead because of the infected attacking them or bandits, not because of being turned though of course. A vaccine is still possible but the chance of it working is debatable.
What was that saying? "Time heals all wounds". Yeah that's it. It sure is going to take quite the amount of time but eventually mankind will achieve victory, like all the times in the past except this time we have guns. Bang bang and down goes the infection. That or you could just burn them, that seems like the most ideal way of dispatching them, try to have natural body armour against the righteous (well not righteous obviously, more only thinking of survival but just give me this moment of "humanity fuck yeah" stop ruining my thing) flames of humanity you fucking infected bastards. Fire seems to always be the go-to thing if bullets don't work that well against something.
Wait the Fireflies actually already killed immune people attempting to create for a vaccine? Really? I didn't actually slow down at the hospital part much, was busy shooting people to do that. I thought that was just a lie by Joel.[/sp]
I'm beginning to repeat myself, I do see that. Dat block of black text, wow. It always looks like it's a massive amount of text while hidden by spoilers but it's not really, do try to not click anything by accident please, I'd rather not have you get your experience ruined.
I really do wonder if a sequel were to be made what it would be about, perhaps someone in a country not the USA? Or if in the USA maybe you are in one of the various factions created? Quite the number of possibilities. Money wouldn't be an issue seeing The Last of Us sold well and was critically acclaimed as well. I still find humour in the response to The Last of Us getting critical acclaim by some members of Facepunch being "I bet that's paid reviews!" as if you actually played the game you would think otherwise, more well-deserved reviews, like ND has the money to pay for reviews anyway.
Oh yeah by the way I got about 14 hours of game play but that was mainly because I didn't spend much time looking for collectibles, I just found them while doing the objective. Got most of them by just doing that though.
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