[QUOTE=Crazy;41068088]It's easily 18+ if you inspect every nook and cranny.[/QUOTE]
Yep, if you go stand in every nook and cranny for a minute.
[QUOTE=Crazy;41068088]It's easily 18+ if you inspect every nook and cranny.[/QUOTE]
I'd say that's a bit of an over-exaggeration.
I played on Hard my first playthrough and explored everything I could when I had the chance and it took me around 14 - 15 hours.
Not to mention the amount of times I died and had to replay parts.
I also had this idea about the ending, I think it makes the most sense.
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Ellie felt responsible for the deaths of Riley, Sam and Tess. Consequently she felt obliged to sacrifice herself for the vaccine, as it would seem it's the "greater good". A different side of her doesn't want to die, though - she's aware that the chance of her death helping anything is slim, and that it doesn't guarantee anything. Rhe realizes the vaccine may not matter at all. (She mentioned she wanted Joal to teach her to swim once, but later she was acting distant when Joel suggested teaching her to play the guitar. There's a lot of little things like this. She's giving off conflicting vibes.)
Now there's 2 conflicting beliefs, and she can't deal with the uncomfortable, mixed thoughts. That's cognitive dissonance.
We're at the end of the game and she survived - although failed at her "task". Her feelings have grown stronger, and she needs to do something to sort it out.
So she asks Joel, knowing he was lying, to swear he was telling the truth. It's obvious his "I swear" is a lie - to both of them. And that's the whole point. It asserts her in the cognition that he's to blame for her failure.
Ellie's survivor guilt burden is lifted off of her shoulders - she did all she could, she wanted to do the "right thing", but Joel, going against her desires, stops her. She shifts some of the blame on him, making it easier on her. She did try. She did want to sacrifice herself, but Joel "ruined" it.
Joel was fully willing to take the blame to lift the weight off of her. She's too been through a lot of things, and after all, is just a child.
and this just further signifies their dad/daughter relationship
tl;dr they both know he's lying, it's obvious as shit. Joel didn't act selfish at all - it's the opposite, he wanted to take the blame on him to make it easier for Ellie
it's pretty similliar to Spec Ops: The Line, when I think about it.
(spoiler)
Just like Walker put the blame on Konrad to deal with his conflicting thoughts.
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[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;41068274]I also had this idea about the ending, I think it makes the most sense.
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Ellie felt responsible for the deaths of Riley, Sam and Tess. Consequently she felt obliged to sacrifice herself for the vaccine, as it would seem it's the "greater good". A different side of her doesn't want to die, though - she's aware that the chance of her death helping anything is slim, and that it doesn't guarantee anything. Rhe realizes the vaccine may not matter at all. (She mentioned she wanted Joal to teach her to swim once, but later she was acting distant when Joel suggested teaching her to play the guitar. There's a lot of little things like this. She's giving off conflicting vibes.)
Now there's 2 conflicting beliefs, and she can't deal with the uncomfortable, mixed thoughts. That's cognitive dissonance.
We're at the end of the game and she survived - although failed at her "task". Her feelings have grown stronger, and she needs to do something to sort it out.
So she asks Joel, knowing he was lying, to swear he was telling the truth. It's obvious his "I swear" is a lie - to both of them. And that's the whole point. It asserts her in the cognition that he's to blame for her failure.
Ellie's survivor guilt burden is lifted off of her shoulders - she did all she could, she wanted to do the "right thing", but Joel, going against her desires, stops her. She shifts some of the blame on him, making it easier on her. She did try. She did want to sacrifice herself, but Joel "ruined" it.
Joel was fully willing to take the blame to lift the weight off of her. She's too been through a lot of things, and after all, is just a child.
and this just further signifies their dad/daughter relationship
tl;dr they both know he's lying, it's obvious as shit. Joel just wants to take the blame to make it easier on Ellie.
it's pretty similliar to Spec Ops: The Line, when I think about it.
(spoiler)
Just like Walker put the blame on Konrad to deal with his conflicting thoughts.
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[sp] Perhaps. You can easily tell she has survivor's guilt as she goes on about how it can't be all for nothing and how she blames herself for the deaths of those three. The facial reaction Ellie shows at the end is quite a obvious "I know you're lying" look. It's quite problematic to deal with survivor's guilt, especially in a child since you know, it's a child.
It does feel like she has conflicting emotions, though perhaps that distance was because of the encounter with David seeing as how that takes place right after Ellie kills him and it's then Summer. (summer, right? or spring, whatever. pretty sure it was winter at that point so I guess Spring.).
But as said a vaccine at that point has an extremely limited usage, how can you even supply it to everyone around the world or even solely the USA when the world has already fell apart 20 years earlier leaving everyone scattered far and wide and the infected will remain regardless. Such an option is a waste of time, an option far too late. Best just rebuilt and hunt down the remaining infected and burn the spores, Tommy's camp is the start of that.
The game is basically: Does humanity deserve to survive? The answer? Yeah. Morality is out of the question however, we're capable of both what we created and called good and evil, pretty sure there was studies about how if there were no negative consequences for our actions we'd do it if we wanted to if we didn't follow our own rules of morality. Some do it anyway but that's usually to survive, usually that is. It has exceptions obviously, a drug addict isn't going to give a shit if there are rules preventing him or her getting their fix. Morality keeps us in check and in the modern world is required since we're no longer surviving day and night but instead living in luxury, mostly anyway (Poverty exists for example. Living in luxury more than before then.). The entire point of us being here, assuming you're not religious is to survive. There is no meaning to life, to why we're here, only survival. I think one of George Romero's later zombie films deals with this except the main character says they don't deserve to survive or at least ponders if they are while footage of some guys training against those left to die and become reanimated zombies as shooting targets plays and then the film ends. I don't know the name, it's one in his series. I'll go check right now. Yeah it's "Diary of the Dead" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_the_Dead) [/sp]
I haven't played a game this emotionally evoking in a long time.
Thank you so much naughty dog.
[QUOTE=Anax;41068372]I haven't played a game this emotionally evoking in a long time.
Thank you so much naughty dog.[/QUOTE]
Hopefully if a sequel does come to fruition it's just as good as this one. It seems Joel and Ellie's story however is over, that being the response from ND about the possibility of a sequel. I mean how the hell could you make a sequel with a better story than that?
One of the sources on info: [url]http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/06/07/naughty-dog-on-the-last-of-us-if-we-never-do-a-sequel-were-okay-with-it/[/url].
[QUOTE=Rathlin1;41068336][sp] Perhaps. You can easily tell she has survivor's guilt as she goes on about how it can't be all for nothing and how she blames herself for the deaths of those three. The facial reaction Ellie shows at the end is quite a obvious "I know you're lying" look. It's quite problematic to deal with survivor's guilt, especially in a child since you know, it's a child.
It does feel like she has conflicting emotions, though perhaps that distance was because of the encounter with David seeing as how that takes place right after Ellie kills him and it's then Summer. (summer, right? or spring, whatever. pretty sure it was winter at that point so I guess Spring.).
But as said a vaccine at that point has an extremely limited usage, how can you even supply it to everyone around the world or even solely the USA when the world has already fell apart 20 years earlier leaving everyone scattered far and wide and the infected will remain regardless. Such an option is a waste of time, an option far too late. Best just rebuilt and hunt down the remaining infected and burn the spores, Tommy's camp is the start of that. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yeah, to me it seems that looking for a vaccine at this point is just a blind goal leftover from 20 years ago. The fireflies haven't got any other cause to work for, apart from that. It's like they're turning away from the reality and just pigheadedly trying to finish what they once aimed for.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rathlin1;41068195] like ND has the money to pay for reviews anyway.
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it's published by sony.
[QUOTE=Crazy;41068088]It's easily 18+ if you inspect every nook and cranny.[/QUOTE]
On Normal it took me roughly 12 hours, and I took my time and inspected EVERYTHING and stealth killed most of the time. The game is basically go from A to Z while looking at B through Y. I can see it being 18 if you tried to go solid snake the entire game.
Ellie hardly helped when I played through but the times she did it was always great. 'Joel to your right' how the small things make a game.
[QUOTE=JurajIsNotPirat;41068410][sp]Yeah, to me it seems that looking for a vaccine at this point is just a blind goal leftover from 20 years ago. The fireflies haven't got any other cause to work for, apart from that. It's like they're turning away from the reality and just pigheadedly trying to finish what they once aimed for.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]To be fair though, what else could you expect? Just because there's a low chance it'd change anything doesn't change the fact that they should be trying. I mean, it's better to have that chance than to just give up and die.[/sp]
[sp]Not researching a vaccine by killing little immune girls doesn't mean people are going to give up and die, if they were they would have did so much, much earlier in the timeline, those that want can always attempt to research one without doing so, it would be difficult seeing how they would need to see how the immunity worked and they didn't have a test subject to do so, it's best however to continue on and just rebuild.[/sp]
[QUOTE=sp00ks;41068413]it's published by sony.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and ND is owned by the Sony corp explaining why it's a PS3 exclusive. So with their backing perhaps they would be able to buy review scores. They obviously didn't for The Last of Us though seeing you can understand the reviewers perspective if you played the game, I for one did see those perspectives. The Giant Bomb review is especially trust-worthy seeing the founder was, I believe, possibly fired from Gamespot for not giving a game they wanted a good score. So yeah they probably could gather the money to buy all dem 10/10 glorious reviews (except for those 8s and 9s), and perhaps they did so or maybe they made an amazing game easily seen if you played through it and took it all in.
[QUOTE=Mr Flexi;41068537][sp]To be fair though, what else could you expect? Just because there's a low chance it'd change anything doesn't change the fact that they should be trying. I mean, it's better to have that chance than to just give up and die.[/sp][/QUOTE]
it's all grey when the society crashes
[sp] At the end I was almost thinking you'd find Ellie already in surgery with her head opened up. Now that would have been some shit[/sp]
Ending spoilers
[sp]It's kind of obvious Joel saw Ellie as his daughter and could no way let her die, my heart melted when Ellie killed David and Joel said "oh baby girl" - like he called his daughter. I think Joel did the right thing, in my opinion it was too late anyways, I don't think there was any hope of rebuilding society as a whole and Joel decided that they'd live out their days in Tommy's settlement. I don't think Joel was really a psychopath, I think he was a realist.[/sp]
I really hope they add DLC, I cant get enough of Joel and Ellie.
wow, just, wow
this is maybe the best game i've played in the last 5 years or so.
the attention to detail is just incredible, i can't wait to see what naughty dog is making for the ps4.
[editline]17th June 2013[/editline]
Guys, why can't i play on survivor after beating the game on hard?
Also what is Hard plus exactly?
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[editline]17th June 2013[/editline]
Guys, why can't i play on survivor after beating the game on hard?
Also what is Hard plus exactly?[/QUOTE]
Hard plus you keep all your upgrades and shit. If you want to do survivor mode you have to do an entirely new game.
[QUOTE=Twipsters;41068996]Hard plus you keep all your upgrades and shit. If you want to do survivor mode you have to do an entirely new game.[/QUOTE]
Wait so if i now complete it again on Hard plus i won't be able to play on survivor yet?
All the stores around me are totally sold out of copies of The Last of US, apparently they only bothered to ship like 12 to each store.
So Gamestop just offered to ship it to my house with free priority shipping and I have to wait till Wenesday to play it
As soon as I found at that Naughty Dog was making this game, I knew it would be great.
I didn't know it would be [B]that[/B] great. Holy fuck.
Just completed it, and believe me you are missing out big time if you haven't played it yet.
Incredible writing, seriously.
[QUOTE=camper182 V2;41069074]Wait so if i now complete it again on Hard plus i won't be able to play on survivor yet?[/QUOTE]
What?
As soon as you finish Hard you're then able to create a new game with Survivor.
Hard + is another thing entirely.
Ah yes, sorry about that, didn't realize "new game" was also still in the menu :p was too fixated on the "continue new game plus"
[QUOTE=camper182 V2;41069125]Ah yes, sorry about that, didn't realize "new game" was also still in the menu :p was too fixated on the "continue new game plus"[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's a bit different to how other games handled it I believe.
I was thrown off by it too.
Playing Survivors, was using the Stealth class, snuck around the back of the map to behind the enemies. Shiv one of them in the neck, 5 seconds later I get a message saying 'ur a camping cunt.'
Next round, I move forward and see one running around, so I hide behind cover and kill him with the bow. It was the same guy I shivved, he then sent me another message saying 'Camping british fag.'
When I got the game on the day it came out, I accidentally logged onto my dads sign-in ID and used my online pass on it instead. :suicide:
[QUOTE=Chancebond;41069426]When I got the game on the day it came out, I accidentally logged onto my dads sign-in ID and used my online pass on it instead. :suicide:[/QUOTE]
Isnt it for everyone on that console though? Or just one profile? On Xbox 360 online passes, it works for the entire console IIRC
[QUOTE=Jrock455;41069515]Isnt it for everyone on that console though? Or just one profile? On Xbox 360 online passes, it works for the entire console IIRC[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure it only works for one user.
[QUOTE=Jrock455;41069515]Isnt it for everyone on that console though? Or just one profile? On Xbox 360 online passes, it works for the entire console IIRC[/QUOTE]
It is for his entire console, but he's probably worried that he might want to download it in the future and not have access to his dads account.
It's for the PSN it has been redeemed on. Also, I just finished the game, and now I fucking miss Joel and Ellie. What is different in Survivor mode?
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