I've just finished the game.
Man. I feel bad about ending.
[QUOTE=coverop;41087668]I've just finished the game.
Man. I feel bad about ending.[/QUOTE]
How so?
I hope this game somehow functions as a milestone and example for writing and storytelling in future games.
[QUOTE=University;41086899]
Anyone notice the similarites to Bioshock infinite? Joel has Bookers voice actor, you have a "debt" with a girl named Ellie/Elizabeth. Pretty odd.[/QUOTE]
Why yes, i noticed some similarities
Both have good stories, though Infinite has so many plotholes its laughable. They both end up somewhat being ruined by poor gameplay.
The gameplay of Infinite ruined the game for me, and the same is happening with The Last of Us
I also just now noticed that survivor difficulty removes listen mode and [sp]stuff like how that one sniper in that one place kills you in one shot instaed of whatever amount of shots you could take before[/sp]
So i just wanted to say. I love everything about this game.
The setting isn't unique but it's so well crafted, the characters are brilliant and developed at a steady pace, the game play / mechanics again were not anything different but it was polished and the graphics compliment the whole thing quiet nicely. It's just a damn shame I will never play it myself, thank god for the decent lets players out there i guess.
I just finished this, and I'm just staring at the screen in shock.
That was the best game I've ever played.
[QUOTE=FOOJE08;41088000]I just finished this, and I'm just staring at the screen in shock.
That was the best game I've ever played.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it was quite amazing. I'm actually having problems replaying it, having to go through all of that emotion again would devastate me, I'll eventually replay it of course but I don't think I will in the foreseeable future, it was too intense for me personally.
Also if you're going on the TLOU wikia, you can check out the forum since people are mostly talking about the questions you guys are asking and if not you can always ask there. I'm there too. I already explained most, if not all the questions asked with my posts in this thread but you can always go there for anything I missed or you require clarification. [url]http://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Forum[/url]
[url]http://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_of_Us:_American_Dreams[/url]
This mini-series could probably end up being DLC.
I read a synopsis of it and it didn't sound very interesting.
[QUOTE=Sharker;41088590]I read a synopsis of it and it didn't sound very interesting.[/QUOTE]
It's basically the back story for Ellie and before she met Joel, seems cool enough. It would make a decent DLC, [sp]I liked playing as Ellie.[/sp]
What the problem with that being DLC is this: [sp]"American Dreams would focus primarily on Ellie’s “day-to-day life” inside the quarantine zone that goes unexplored in the game." Meaning you're mostly in the QZ, you do leave it at points obviously but much of the DLC would be you just walking about the QZ I'd think and seeing the military being dicks.[/sp]
So I just finished it.
My god. I don't even know what to feel.
[QUOTE=Fhux;41088638]So I just finished it.
My god. I don't even know what to feel.[/QUOTE]
Read my spoiler posts, then you will. Follow my viewpoint. Do it. It's your only option. I suggest you read them from the very start though, otherwise you might end up confused. They start here: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1189737&page=24[/url]. Don't forget to read all spoilers, even those that aren't mine from then on, one of them says [sp]how the Fireflies supposedly already tested on immunes and failed to come up with a vaccine[/sp] around page 26 or 27, around that point anyway.
[QUOTE=Rathlin1;41088649]Read my spoiler posts, then you will. Follow my viewpoint. Do it. It's your only option. I suggest you read them from the very start though, otherwise you might end up confused. They start here: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1189737&page=24[/url]. Don't forget to read all spoilers, even those that aren't mine from then on, one of them says [sp]how the Fireflies supposedly already tested on immunes and failed to come up with a vaccine[/sp] around page 26 or 27, around that point anyway.[/QUOTE]
I have a pretty set opinion about the [sp]morals[/sp], not too unlike yours. I'm more worried about the small things:
[sp]Was it right by Joel to lie to Ellie about the vaccine?
Did she realize the truth anyway?
And what the hell happens next?
I think the ending was too serious to leave me calm. I'm not complaining, but I can't help but feel like things couldn't have worked out perfectly after the credits rolled. I suppose I just want more.[/sp]
If I'm not making any sense or if I seem very stupid, that's most likely because it's soon 4 am. I'll sleep on it and try again tomorrow.
[QUOTE=Fhux;41088890]I have a pretty set opinion about the [sp]morals[/sp], not too unlike yours. I'm more worried about the small things:
[sp]Was it right by Joel to lie to Ellie about the vaccine?
Did she realize the truth anyway?
And what the hell happens next?
I think the ending was too serious to leave me calm. I'm not complaining, but I can't help but feel like things couldn't have worked out perfectly after the credits rolled. I suppose I just want more.[/sp]
If I'm not making any sense or if I seem very stupid, that's most likely because it's soon 4 am. I'll sleep on it and try again tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
[sp]In reality, the vaccine would really just cause more fighting between people. When the giraffes came up, they showed that for things to get better was to let nature do it's own thing.
By Ellie's facial expressions, you could tell that she knew he was lying about some stuff.
As for what's next, possible DLC expanding the story.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Frosty701;41088921][sp]In reality, the vaccine would really just cause more fighting between people. When the giraffes came up, they showed that for things to get better was to let nature do it's own thing.
By Ellie's facial expressions, you could tell that she knew he was lying about some stuff.
As for what's next, possible DLC expanding the story.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Yeah basically. Doesn't matter if she knows though, her survivor's guilt is dealt with, either way it would have been. If she accepted what Joel said, she'd overcome her guilt thinking that they failed to find a vaccine using other immunes or if she knew he was lying she would just put the blame on him.
I desperately want the DLC to be of Joel/Ellie, I liked them a lot, especially playing as Ellie, it's a possibility though since they only said a sequel wouldn't include Joel/Ellie, not DLC pretty sure.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Frosty701;41088921][sp]In reality, the vaccine would really just cause more fighting between people. When the giraffes came up, they showed that for things to get better was to let nature do it's own thing. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Well, it's clear that Joel didn't really think about that when he took Ellie, but solely her survival.[/sp]
As I said, I'll sort my opinions out tomorrow morning. All that I am certain of at the moment is that I absolutely loved evry second of the game. It had literally everything I want a game to have. There is one thing, and one thing alone, that I think could be done better, and that's the UI. Everything else in the game was so atmospheric that having to scroll through different weapons in a big black list often broke the immersion.
[QUOTE=Fhux;41088890]I have a pretty set opinion about the [sp]morals[/sp], not too unlike yours. I'm more worried about the small things:
[sp]Was it right by Joel to lie to Ellie about the vaccine?
Did she realize the truth anyway?
And what the hell happens next?
I think the ending was too serious to leave me calm. I'm not complaining, but I can't help but feel like things couldn't have worked out perfectly after the credits rolled. I suppose I just want more.[/sp]
If I'm not making any sense or if I seem very stupid, that's most likely because it's soon 4 am. I'll sleep on it and try again tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
I think that [sp]Joel lied to Ellie for her sake - and not in the "protecting her" way. He knows she's smarter than that. He lied to her, so that she's able to blame him from now on - Before, she felt like it was her fault. Everyone she cared about died, and she didn't only because she was immune. She feels responsible for everything past Riley's death.
When Joel realizes this, he indirectly claims responsibility for everything that went wrong, even though it wasn't anyone's fault, he had to stop Ellie from blaming herself. That was the ending.
Was it right? No. Joel isn't a hero. He isn't trying to the right thing, he never was. A lot of the game was about holding on to morals and trying to see black and white, good and evil, would get you killed. Joel survived for 20 years by [i]not[/i] doing the right thing just because his conscious said so.
He saved Ellie because he realized, among other things illustrated in the giraffe scene, that he couldn't lost his daughter twice, and even if he had to kill innocent people to get to her, he would. Right and wrong had nothing to do with his choice.
Of course it wasn't going to work out after they made it to the town, that's part of the point. Even though they're free and everything's resolved, there are still things wrong with the world and themselves. I think it ended on a good note in that way.
If there's singleplayer DLC, I think it should focus on somebody else.[/sp]
[editline]18th June 2013[/editline]
I agree with you about the UI though. Making it only appear when relevant would've been a lot more atmospheric.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;41089104]I think that [sp]Joel lied to Ellie for her sake - and not in the "protecting her" way. He knows she's smarter than that. He lied to her, so that she's able to blame him from now on - Before, she felt like it was her fault. Everyone she cared about died, and she didn't only because she was immune. She feels responsible for everything past Riley's death.
When Joel realizes this, he indirectly claims responsibility for everything that went wrong, even though it wasn't anyone's fault, he had to stop Ellie from blaming herself. That was the ending.
Was it right? No. Joel isn't a hero. He isn't trying to the right thing, he never was. A lot of the game was about holding on to morals and trying to see black and white, good and evil, would get you killed. Joel survived for 20 years by [i]not[/i] doing the right thing just because his conscious said so.
He saved Ellie because he realized, among other things illustrated in the giraffe scene, that he couldn't lost his daughter twice, and even if he had to kill innocent people to get to her, he would. Right and wrong had nothing to do with his choice.
Of course it wasn't going to work out after they made it to the town, that's part of the point. Even though they're free and everything's resolved, there are still things wrong with the world and themselves. I think it ended on a good note in that way.
If there's singleplayer DLC, I think it should focus on somebody else.[/sp]
[editline]18th June 2013[/editline]
I agree with you about the UI though. Making it only appear when relevant would've been a lot more atmospheric.[/QUOTE]
[sp] Survivor's guilt is a bitch to deal with so lying would be the only way to deal with it at that point, yes.
But no you're not a hero knight in shining armour type, more of an anti-hero if anything at all, a person with no noble or "good" qualities, just purely survival in mind. You're neither good or bad, like everyone alive at that point.
Basically everything you said is what I and others explained previously summed up, yep.
Did he kill innocent people so far though? I guess that doctor could possibly be innocent but he did threaten Joel and stand in his way, (as well as force surgery on other immunes?) to saving Ellie so it's understandable to kill him.
If there is DLC I simply can't bear it not being Joel and Ellie, even though their story is over. It probably, like a possible sequel, be about someone else anyway.[/sp]
Also TurtleeyFP I used your post to sum up my point in one of threads on the TLOU wikia seeing as it's pretty much that: a summary. Good job. Here: [url]http://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:6703[/url].
Hngg, I still need 2000 supply to unlock the bow for custom loadouts. It's so fun to use, I'm almost exclusively playing the stealth class now until I unlock it.
-nvm im dumb.-
[QUOTE=Rathlin1;41089173][sp](as well as force surgery on other immunes?).[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Did you miss the part at the ending where EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS A LIE?[/sp]
Also, anyone like the Multiplayer? Semi-auto rifle and bow are probably my most favorite weapons. Both are accurate and take only about 2-3 shots just to down someone.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;41089587][sp]Did you miss the part at the ending where EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS A LIE?[/sp]
Also, anyone like the Multiplayer? Semi-auto rifle and bow are probably my most favorite weapons. Both are accurate and take only about 2-3 shots just to down someone.[/QUOTE]
I like using a silenced shorty to sneak up on people.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;41089587][sp]Did you miss the part at the ending where EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS A LIE?[/sp]
Also, anyone like the Multiplayer? Semi-auto rifle and bow are probably my most favorite weapons. Both are accurate and take only about 2-3 shots just to down someone.[/QUOTE]
[sp]He didn't fully lie to her[/sp]
See:
[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;41083251][sp] You're both right. Joel told Ellie that at the Firefly base there was a bunch of other kids already there, immune and being tested etc, so they didn't need her. Which, of course, was a lie. But the truth is that there WERE other immune individuals, but they did the same to them they were gonna do to Ellie, and it all ended in failure.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;41089587][sp]Did you miss the part at the ending where EVERYTHING HE SAID WAS A LIE?[/sp]
Also, anyone like the Multiplayer? Semi-auto rifle and bow are probably my most favorite weapons. Both are accurate and take only about 2-3 shots just to down someone.[/QUOTE]
The Assault Rifle is one of my favorites. From the right range it's an almost guaranteed knockdown + execution if you fire it right.
I have a class with the 9mm pistol only, completely dedicated to getting enough parts to buy an Assault Rifle ASAP.
Still playing threw the story, still finding more bugs.
The story itself is amazing, gameplay is still pretty bad.
Bugs this time;
Pull started a generator, it made no noise at all
Ellie whistled and talked at the same time
Anyone else share the thinking that the [sp]hotel basement[/sp] is the best gameplay segment?
[sp]Holy shit at the part in the sewers where you get separated. So many infected and strangling them seems to be much harder than it has been so far. They always turn when I try to sneak behind them.[/sp]
Also looks like a new firmware just came out. Apparently it borked shitloads of systems so you should probably wait until this mess is fixed before updating. I can't believe Sony still manages to fuck these up in such a major way.
@RautaPalli [sp]You mean the part where all four of you get separated and you get put with Sam? Ha-ha I didn't even stealth much at that point, stealth killed one or two but mostly just shot them all with the Shorty.[/sp]
I had a bug where [sp]When you were playing as Ellie running through the snow after escaping from David, you finally find an open building where you encounter some of his bandits, for some reason one of them literally went invisible until I went near him then he reappeared.[/sp]
[sp]Also, regarding the ending and the themes, I think the animals through out the game were extremely symbolic. The monkeys at the university in particular. The school is a place of higher education, a luxury at most. But the monkeys scavenge it to survive, not really any different from the humans. The parallels between the monkeys and humans scavenging the university relates the two species to each other, creating the theme of how humans are now primitive just like the monkeys because their actions are both the same. It is also important to note you don't see any infected animals, only humans.
About the ending, I felt Joel's choice was in fact the right choice. He protects Ellie and still keeps her as the key to mankind's survival. In history humans have forced their environment to adapt to them, but because of the fungus and the collapse of mankind, they can no longer change their fate. The fireflies are stuck on the idea that humans can still force the environment to adapt to them by creating a cure or vaccine. But Joel himself destroys that idea by killing the fireflies, and let's Ellie survive, thus keeping the strain of humans who are immune alive. If she were to survive and have offspring they will most likely be immune.[/sp]
Anyone feel Covert ops rank 2 is fucking OP? I've been running it and no one ever see's me sneaking up on them.
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