Undertale megathread v4 - An award winning RPG where nobody has to get hurt. YES, that STILL include
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I figured that [sp]the boy being on medication for decades, along with regular therapist appointments, would be pretty bittersweet.[/sp]
Also, considering the nature of Boss Monsters, I just thought of a new AU that I wonder why it hasn't been thought of already. What if the player character ended up stealing Toriel's soul when you killed her, rather than standing there gormlessly as it splinters into nothingness? If the PC can remember previous runs, and learned that the Dreemurrs were Boss Monsters, perhaps in an alternate Neutral Run you could claim the soul of Goatmom.
[sp]Hell, in a Genocide Run, Chara could have taken her soul and tapped into her power to become akin to one of the original seven Sorcerors?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Punchy;49591536]I convinced my girlfriend to play undertale
She apparently believed flowey about the love bellets, and didn't pay attention to what he said. So she went 10 minutes thinking she was supposed to let all enemies hit her. she died to a butterfly and quit the game, now she won't play it again.
This is not an inexperienced gamer, she racks up as many hours as me on steam.[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of this
[T]http://i.imgur.com/4Coqmne.jpg[/T]
[QUOTE=ironman17;49592380]
[sp]Hell, in a Genocide Run, Chara could have taken her soul and tapped into her power to become akin to one of the original seven Sorcerors?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]If Omega Flowey and the control split with Asriel/Chara is anything to go by, then it is easily possible for souls to rebel and take control even when absorbed.
Last time Chara combined with a goat and tried to commit genocide, it ended very poorly for everyone involved. Why take the risk when they pretty much cannot lose due to SAVEs anyway?[/sp]
[sp]My only gripe with many of the speculated possibilities for saving Asriel (aside from canon-related issues regarding souls) is that they would detract from the melancholy of the Pacifist ending due to his tragic character.
I think helping him out would need to force the player into a drastic situation in order to compensate; maybe a final choice or sacrifice that actually weighs up against bringing him back and making it seem like far less of an obvious choice. Otherwise, it would just feel like a cop-out. Toby's said that "we've already seen the happiest ending." That could mean saving Asriel isn't going to happen, however the optimist in me wants to believe that it's a possibility and some sort of catch will come into play to keep that statement somewhat true.[/sp]
[QUOTE=MasterKade;49591623][IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/8391714ceef909530b5d7109d39a2a7f.png[/IMG]
this is [i]pretty fucking hard[/i] to not notice[/QUOTE]
This is why i was so confused when she told me "The flower guy told me they were love pellets though???"
[QUOTE=SoftHearted;49590043][sp] Did anybody ever question the " Yeah, my special attack sounds familiar?" line that Sans says during the geno fight? Papyrus never mentioned anything about that like in the pacifist run because we killed him before he could do so.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I interpreted this to be Papyrus' attack, under the assumption that you heard of it before in a previous playthrough. I think the implication is that Papyrus is just as strong as Sans is. Undyne mentions just how tough he is, just that he's so innocent he couldn't actually hurt anybody. I think it's exceedingly likely that his special attack was Sans' as well.[/sp]
(genocide) [sp] So I just realized why the shopkeeper in the caves stays and sells you stuff. When you threaten him and he says "I know you can't", I was really confused at first, but then I realized that he knows you can't attack him since you're using the shop hud.
Holy shit that's clever game design, even though it's a small moment. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Punchy;49592514]This is why i was so confused when she told me "The flower guy told me they were love pellets though???"[/QUOTE]
But...but Flowey immediately calls her an idiot for trusting him.
Fuckin' [i][b]how?![/b][/i]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;49592044]I'm going to make some lame video game analogies/sperg thoughts to explain my viewpoint.[/QUOTE]
A few thoughts.
Metal Gear Solid spoilers: [sp]Your point about the main character of MGS misses the point in my opinion. The series revolves around the lineage of the Snakes, the lineage that began with the Boss herself. The Boss trained Big Boss, Solid Snake was cloned from Big Boss, and Raiden was an experiment to recreate a soldier as good as Snake through environmental manipulation and social factors (scene, gene, meme, as Kojima put it). In this fashion all four characters are equally right to be called the main characters.[/sp]
[sp]I still maintain that Asriel got a good ending for reasons I listed on the previous page. It is bittersweet but I think that bittersweetness is called for in Undertale.[/sp]
I'm gonna get all pretentious on you that remember that one must imagine Sisyphus happy. [sp]I see Asriel as a Sisyphus character.[/sp]
[QUOTE=arbio22;49592457][sp]I think helping him out would need to force the player into a drastic situation in order to compensate; maybe a final choice or sacrifice that actually weighs up against bringing him back and making it seem like far less of an obvious choice. Otherwise, it would just feel like a cop-out. Toby's said that "we've already seen the happiest ending." That could mean saving Asriel isn't going to happen, however the optimist in me wants to believe that it's a possibility and some sort of catch will come into play to keep that statement somewhat true.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Personally, I'd be all for a [sp]Save Asriel[/sp] path being a gruelling Orphean tale of struggle and desperation, where Frisk and the player themselves have to set up just the right scenario to achieve their "true ending". For instance, finishing True Pacifist, then doing Genocide up until [sp]you find Sans[/sp], then jumping out once Frisk knows that [sp]Flowey lost their compassion[/sp], which would be one part of the puzzle required to [sp]save Asriel[/sp], and after that there would be more "situations" to be triggered through the various runs, all while avoiding a True Reset which would in theory wipe Frisk's memory as well. And once all the pieces had fallen into place, the path to the bittersweet "Final Ending" would open, and the true challenge would at last await you. And you'd be able to wonder "Was all the stuff I did REALLY worth it for this ending? Do I really deserve the spoils of this victory?"
See this is what I don't like about no closure, it leads to too much fanfiction or ideas on how things can be done and its all so enticing but its the very thing that makes fandoms become autistic.
If Toby wants to keep his ending then fine its art or whatever, but until the other stuff with [sp]Gaster and the time machine and skelebros[/sp] makes it clear that there is no way to change or create a new ending then there's no closure for me.
Also if there are any artists in the thread I'd like to request [sp]Punished "Venom" Asriel[/sp]
The more pressing loose ends to me are the ones regarding [sp]Chara, Sans, and Gaster. I think Asriel's tale is over.[/sp]
I already think the game is actually pretty good where it is, but I gotta ask, when is Toby gonna get around to fixing this?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/yHs2CgD.png[/img]
In fullscreen mode it looks like a poorly scaled JPEG.
I know it's a bit nitpicky, but it really stands out like a sore thumb, especially when it's one of the main things you have to look at during a Geno run.
[QUOTE=ironman17;49592128][sp]I feel the same damn way. As do a ton of us since there's plenty of fanart and fanfic where Asriel does indeed get saved. For me, I could see it happening in one of two ways, two different "paths" if you will.[/sp]
[sp]There'd be the "Alphys Path", where Frisk manages to convince Alphys to keep working on the science of souls, culminating in her creating an artificial monster soul to enable Flowey to regain their compassion and move on with themselves. And then there's the "Sans Path", where through dogged persistence and a vow to never reset again, Frisk convinces Sans to toy with time manipulation, culminating in Frisk being flung back into the distant past, grabbing the soul of the original Asriel just after they crumbled to dust, and reuniting Flowey with his old soul, allowing both the new Asriel AND the original to coexist and live happily together. (or alternatively, cause both of them to freak out and have a nervous breakdown, THEN try to live a regular childhood)[/sp]
[sp]With that in mind, I don't think the "give Asriel your soul" thing would actually work as imagined, since humans souls "don't need compassion in order to exist", so while they would grant Flowey power (and we know what happened with THAT), they wouldn't give him the heart he truly needs. Which is a pity since I do kinda like the Dreemurr Reborn blog.[/sp] (speaking of which, apparently the [sp]Dreemurr Reborn[/sp] stuff is on an elongated hiatus [URL="http://41.media.tumblr.com/a91063446b4312fa84d9f4a3e89f3853/tumblr_o1c108rjti1uhov31o1_1280.png"]on account of a fried hard drive[/URL])[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ironman17;49592658]Personally, I'd be all for a [sp]Save Asriel[/sp] path being a gruelling Orphean tale of struggle and desperation, where Frisk and the player themselves have to set up just the right scenario to achieve their "true ending". For instance, finishing True Pacifist, then doing Genocide up until [sp]you find Sans[/sp], then jumping out once Frisk knows that [sp]Flowey lost their compassion[/sp], which would be one part of the puzzle required to [sp]save Asriel[/sp], and after that there would be more "situations" to be triggered through the various runs, all while avoiding a True Reset which would in theory wipe Frisk's memory as well. And once all the pieces had fallen into place, the path to the bittersweet "Final Ending" would open, and the true challenge would at last await you. And you'd be able to wonder "Was all the stuff I did REALLY worth it for this ending? Do I really deserve the spoils of this victory?"[/QUOTE]
Before this thread i never knew Colin Mochrie was so into fanfiction
In my opinion, [sp]the only way Asriel can be truly 'saved' is via a wildcard, something that comes out of left field and breaks the rules of the established canon/universe. An outsider that doesn't play by the rules.[/sp]
[sp]All the wild speculation about the nature of the soul is largely a dead end, its clear that in-universe the souls are a science, they aren't pure magic and thus have a set of established rules. If the already spent effort of Alphys, as well as possibly Sans and Dr. Gaster, over some 250 odd years could not solve the dilemma of creating nor maintaining monster souls beyond their natural limits, then its safe to say that without an immense breakthrough (something humans would not have done, considering they wouldn't have gotten their hands on a monster soul in at least 300 years or more) the laws of the soul cannot be broken.[/sp]
[sp]So who could those rule breakers be? Gaster, Chara, you the player (not Frisk, YOU), or any character (fanfic or otherwise) that has the situational merit to ignore the universe's rules. If any story involves saving Asriel, it needs involve some or all of these factors [/sp]
Examples being:
[sp]Chara is implied to have the ability to frame your entire perception as that of a video game, as well as ignore your reset powers and kill you without so much as a fight, something noone else can do.
Gaster is spread across space-time and his abilities are entirely unknown, if he has any at all, a perfect hook for a new story (which is what a lot of people ended up doing)
The Player bestows upon a small child the will, determination, and stubbornness of a video game character, no matter how many times frisk dies or takes damage they can bounce straight back, and can play with local space-time at will.[/sp]
One of the main reasons why Flowey is so interested (as well as scared) of you, is because you usurped his own status as a wildcard, he used to have the same powers you do, but you essentially stole them from him. Meaning if Flowey dies or screws something up, that's it, its set in stone until you feel like resetting, if you decide to do so at all.
Thats also probably why [sp] he's scared to go back to his family, if you had lived with the power to completely ignore consequences for a century or more, how much would you trust yourself to not slip up with an indulgence that would be second nature to you by now, only to realize you can't take it all back.[/sp]
[sp]saving asriel ruins his whole story
yes it's sad, but that's what makes it emotionally affecting and something that people actually care about[/sp]
Maybe we'll find out in some kind of follow up of some kind.
I cannot image any radical changes to the current game and its endings happening as -as has be prior stated- that would require a lot of changes that ultimately could damage its overall flow.
But then that's just my gut feeling I'm not as well versed in the finer points of the game as everyone else so there are probably better qualified people to speculate on that than me.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;49592709]
Also if there are any artists in the thread I'd like to request [sp]Punished "Venom" Asriel[/sp][/QUOTE]
(Ending Spoilers)[url=http://i.imgur.com/nQTgWPl.png]This picture caused more trouble than you'll ever know.[/url]
Do you ever wish you could start Undertale all over again? With that same wonder and amazement like you had on your first run? I did another True Pacifist run and while still great, not nearly as good as my first time.
[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;49593188][sp]saving asriel ruins his whole story
yes it's sad, but that's what makes it emotionally affecting and something that people actually care about[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Saving Asriel is what everyone wants but what he NEEDS as a character is closure. Right now there's too many loose ends in Gaster's existence and it can't be ruled out that Asriel can be saved using time travel or further soul research or whatever. Asriel can be doomed to be a flower forever but as of now there is still some glimmer of hope for salvation that Toby hasn't yet destroyed, and until he destroys it there is no closure.[/sp]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;49592709]Also if there are any artists in the thread I'd like to request [sp]Punished "Venom" Asriel[/sp][/QUOTE]
Do you really want to have a bad time?
Looks like the Game Theorists finally started looking at Undertale. According to their culture shock series Undertale takes place below Ireland because the incredibly simple introduction story is kind of similar to some myths.
[video=youtube;-nec7Z8fFls]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nec7Z8fFls[/video]
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[t]https://40.media.tumblr.com/be4012e8bae849e35ab50e697818721a/tumblr_o19x3rmRMf1tbyw64o3_1280.jpg[/t]
[URL="http://lu-audrey.tumblr.com/post/137711577490"]Source[/URL][/QUOTE]
Fuck I died laughing at the [url=https://translate.google.com/#auto/en/%E9%AD%9A]eyepatch[/url] because its so blunt
[QUOTE=The Civ;49592741]I already think the game is actually pretty good where it is, but I gotta ask, when is Toby gonna get around to fixing this?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/yHs2CgD.png[/img]
In fullscreen mode it looks like a poorly scaled JPEG.
I know it's a bit nitpicky, but it really stands out like a sore thumb, especially when it's one of the main things you have to look at during a Geno run.[/QUOTE]
I still don't understand what that's supposed to be.
[QUOTE=Spagetto;49590874]holy fuck
[video=youtube;VziJGgjMqQw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VziJGgjMqQw[/video]
not really spoilers i think..? maybe some sprites from pacifist/genocide route :v:[/QUOTE]
[sp] imagine if this is what chara meant at the end of the geno run by saying "lets destroy this world", would have been the perfect punishment [/sp]
[QUOTE=Morthanius;49593357]Looks like the Game Theorists finally started looking at Undertale. According to their culture shock series Undertale takes place below Ireland because the incredibly simple introduction story is kind of similar to some myths.
[video=youtube;-nec7Z8fFls]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nec7Z8fFls[/video][/QUOTE]
That's... a surprisingly tame theory for Game Theory.
It's crackpot, but not as crackpot as I'd expect.
Normally it would be something like [sp]IS FRISK REALLY ASRIEL'S SECOND COUSIN'S DRINKING BUDDY'S ROOMMATE'S COMA DREAM IN PURGATORY!?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Smashing Good;49593573]I still don't understand what that's supposed to be.[/QUOTE]
The lines are apparently morse code for [sp]But Nobody Came.[/sp] Haven't translated it myself but it would make sense.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;49593722]That's... a surprisingly tame theory for Game Theory.
It's crackpot, but not as crackpot as I'd expect.
Normally it would be something like [sp]IS FRISK REALLY ASRIEL'S SECOND COUSIN'S DRINKING BUDDY'S ROOMMATE'S COMA DREAM IN PURGATORY!?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well this was their "culture shock" series, which is usually pretty tame and somewhat informative at times. Once Matpat does an actual game theory on it you might see something more like that, and it's probably on his list.
This is more interesting to me because this tells me it's on his radar, really. I imagine they won't stop here. I only hope he actually tries to stick to something more reasonable or investigates a character like Gaster instead.
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;49592589]But...but Flowey immediately calls her an idiot for trusting him.
Fuckin' [i][b]how?![/b][/i][/QUOTE]
I've seen some Youtubers still think this but then they realized he was lying after they started losing health in normal fights.
[editline]23rd January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Morthanius;49593357]Looks like the Game Theorists finally started looking at Undertale. According to their culture shock series Undertale takes place below Ireland because the incredibly simple introduction story is kind of similar to some myths.
[video=youtube;-nec7Z8fFls]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nec7Z8fFls[/video][/QUOTE]
Is there actually anyone out there that sincerely likes Gajin Goomba?
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