Undertale megathread v4 - An award winning RPG where nobody has to get hurt. YES, that STILL include
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[QUOTE=Damjen;49437817]-Penny Arcade-[/QUOTE]
Remember when he was at Poker Night at the Inventory 1? Ha.
Also:
[video=youtube;3LTAE7bvZCw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LTAE7bvZCw[/video]
[QUOTE=Sift;49437826]Read the blog post if you want to see Gabe howl like a monkey and Tycho once again butcher the English language in a attempt to sound smart.[/QUOTE]
I read the blog post three times in a row and I can't actually figure out what their point is.
[quote]It is insufficiently reverent, and does not perform the proper obeisances. Others like it for precisely these reasons. I’m delighted by the iconoclasm intellectually and repulsed by it viscerally; if nothing else, it’s providing an intense psychological workout.[/quote]
[i] - Penny Arcade ???/10[/i]
[editline]2nd January 2016[/editline]
Ok here's my expert literary analysis of Penny Arcade's ramblings:
He doesn't see it as a game because it subverts video game tropes. Something that "attacks" games, in his view, cannot be a game. And because he is a gamer, it is his duty to reject anything that attacks games. He appreciates it as an intellectual exercise, but feels that it is an attack on games and gamers.
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[URL="http://the-regressor.tumblr.com/post/135538384703/i-hope-to-have-muffet-done-next-week-some-time"]tEM iN 3DEE!!![/URL]
[QUOTE=Miruku;49438113]This looks like something a tween with a thesaurus would write.[/QUOTE]
More like someone who tries to use big words to sound smart :v:
[QUOTE=arbio22;49437905]Does anyone else feel [sp]really depressed/sad whenever they see/hear anything related to Asriel? This game has seriously fucked me up with that.[/sp] (true pacifist spoilers)[/QUOTE]
I feel [sp]pissed. Stupid goat child isn't doing anyone any favors by hiding himself underground. It's a bunch of nonsense mental acrobatics he does so he can pirouette away from having to own up to his loved ones after what he did as Flowey. Also, the combined scientific genius of the human scientific community is more than enough to finish what Alphys (accidentally) started and restore him.
Frankly, he's more of a danger left alone. If he has the rest of time left to live, then there's no way he won't relapse at some point. Except this time, there will be no barrier to keep him from stumbling upon even a single dying human, with their soul ripe for the taking, which is generous, considering he has very few problems actively murdering them. He's basically a ticking time bomb.
Yeah basically I'm salty about it.[/sp]
If you guys want to know where the vocal sample comes from in the True Lab music, start this at 4:06
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_oc9Ypcb2Q[/media]
[QUOTE=Sift;49437826]Read the blog post if you want to see Gabe howl like a monkey and Tycho once again butcher the English language in a attempt to sound smart.[/QUOTE]
I understood like only a quarter of the speech of PA on Undertale. I honestly wish he could have used more simple words. To be frank I never understood why people insist to use this big non-colloquial vocabulary every time they want to talk about something on the Internet.
I can see wanting to expand your knowledge of speech so you don't end up using the same words over and over again but this doesn't make you look any smarter. Only more difficult to understand.
[QUOTE=Miruku;49438113]This looks like something a tween with a thesaurus would write.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a hangup on his end, not a problem with Undertale. Good thing nobody mistakes him for a game critic.
[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;49438164]If you guys want to know where the vocal sample comes from in the True Lab music, start this at 4:06
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_oc9Ypcb2Q[/media][/QUOTE]
This was brought up a while ago. As well as The Beach Boys sample, the little rascals sample is used as the main melody in Ghost Fight and Dummy, and the All You Need is Love trumpets are used in Amalgamate.
A lot of Undertale music uses the Earthbound soundfont.
Someone found a thesaurus.
Dunno if this was posted at an earlier point, but...
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhptUkPifsI[/media]
[QUOTE=SoftHearted;49438180]I understood like only a quarter of the speech of PA on Undertale. I honestly wish he could have used more simple words. To be frank I never understood why people insist to use this big non-colloquial vocabulary every time they want to talk about something on the Internet.
I can see wanting to expand your knowledge of speech so you don't end up using the same words over and over again but this doesn't make you look any smarter. Only more difficult to understand.[/QUOTE]
For a long time Tycho was "the word guy"
As time passes he desperately struggles to continue being the word guy muddling his messages so much in the process he becomes a blithering idiot
[QUOTE=Sift;49438223]For a long time Tycho was "the word guy"
As time passes he desperately struggles to continue being the word guy muddling his messages so much in the process he becomes a blithering idiot[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of that video GradeA did on people who attempt to use big words to sound smart or people who do know the meaning of those big words and use them when they try to talk about a certain topic, only for no one to understand them and not get their message through.
Maybe one of you will know.
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Is there a full version of this, reverse image search to find the original post is not being helpful and pinterest is also being unhelpful.
But the message in Undertale doesn't attack other games really, since in Undertale you do have the option of sparing everyone, really it's just pointing out that being violent when there's a choice is the wrong thing to do, and that going out of your way to murder everything just to see what happens is kinda messed up.
But it's popular and tumblr loves it so burn it.
[QUOTE=EmilyVasquez;49438124]More like someone who tries to use big words to sound smart :v:[/QUOTE]
I definitely get a "I sometimes use big words to sound more photosynthesis" vibe from reading just that quoted sentence.
[QUOTE=greasemunky;49438269]But the message in Undertale doesn't attack other games really, since in Undertale you do have the option of sparing everyone, really it's just pointing out that being violent when there's a choice is the wrong thing to do, and that going out of your way to murder everything just to see what happens is kinda messed up.
But it's popular and tumblr loves it so burn it.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I don't see why anyone should care. Undertale did something I didn't ever expect a game to do, honestly, at least not to me.
I'm one to analyze games, break them down to the smallest details and then criticize the fuck out of them, usually to the level of nitpicking. Now, I went into Undertale knowing it was apparently "pretty great" or something, and expecting fully to be let down by the community's voice. After all there have been plenty of games that promised what I thought Undertale promised. Not that they've been bad, mind you, but never have they ever lived up to expectations.
But then Undertale got good.
Then it got better. I definitely held it as the best game of 2015.
And then it got better. I was downright obsessed with it. All I could think of was Undertale. Undertale this, Undertale that. But I hadn't "finished" the game, yet. I was somehow afraid that the game, even when I "finished" it (which I was also afraid would never happen), would not give me the closure I needed. That I would obsess over it, until I'd burn out on it, realize that maybe it wasn't all that great, after all.
And then it did something I never, ever, fucking expected it to do.
It got even better.
Now maybe it was just me, maybe the message I got from it resonated for me just because of who I am. Maybe someone got something else out of it. Hell, maybe someone didn't like what they got out of it. Be it whatever, Undertale will forever be something special to me. It isn't just a pile of ideas from other games, with some memorable characters and maybe an interesting world. It isn't filled with the "best gameplay" I've ever seen.
What it was, was fucking Undertale. Never have I played a game I enjoyed so much, that I, knowing there was still content to be seen, stopped playing. I got my experience. I could never go back and do something different. I could never go back and try the genocide run. Just the thought itself hurts me in a way that sound absolutely ridiculous. I mean, it's after all [I]just[/I] a game.
That's just it. It's the first game I remember playing where I didn't feel like I could've made it better by doing this and that. It's the first game where I don't remember going "Oh that's from game X, and that is from game Y." The gameplay, the narrative, the characters, the world, the music, the goddamn everything. It's Undertale, through and through. It's perfect in what it is; words I didn't think I'd have to say for a game, frankly.
Maybe I just have a low expectation from games, but hey, is that really my fault? Undertale has thoroughly risen them, and I was afraid that I would never again play a game that will feel the same. I probably won't, and honestly that's just fine.
There will never be another Undertale, for there already is one. And that one is just perfect the way it is.
[QUOTE=nomad1;49438250]Maybe one of you will know.
Is there a full version of this, reverse image search to find the original post is not being helpful and pinterest is also being unhelpful.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://palidoozy-art.tumblr.com/post/130484009396/this-was-one-of-my-favorite-scenes-from-undertale[/url]
[QUOTE=Baboo00;49438731]I went and read the whole post, what a mistake. It was a depressing read, the desperate cries of someone clinging to their last shred of cultural relevance. I regret devoting this much energy to something so trivial but I needed to dissect it or it would have nagged me from the back of my mind for a very long time.
First, Tycho refuses to take responsibility for his disproportionate emotional response to Undertale and its fans. Instead, the culpability is transferred to a group of people he's invented. "All the better to dehumanize you with," growls Wolf Tycho to Little Red Riding Strawman.
Tycho explains how little this all matters to him. Which I imagine is the reason he wrote both a rant and a comic about it.
He only mentions the younger fans of Undertale, an unsubtle attempt to discredit its fans, and by extension, Undertale. Then he insults the intelligence of the fans by implying they're unfamiliar with the concept of genocide. Classy.
... what the fuck. This is starting to go way downhill. At this point I started questioning Tycho's emotional state; could someone who claims to be comfortably detached really come up with gibberish like this?
I have to acknowledge the existence of this trend, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it, and Tycho never gives a thorough reason for disliking it. Additionally I never noticed its presence in Undertale. However, in an stunning feat of hypocrisy, Tycho is right on board with Double Reverse Irony. The title of this post, "Early Onset Coot Disease," acknowledges that he's out of touch, but no it's actually a joke to defend himself from criticism that he's genuinely out of touch. Except then he repeats it in the second sentence of the essay, almost like he actually means it... huh...
Take a shot for "the next generation", a phrase which implies again that Undertale is interesting exclusively to a younger, and therefore supposedly less respectable audience. This phrase also makes Tycho sound exactly like the curmudgeon he is. Anyways, this finely crafted sentence took a lot of re-reading to even parse, but it seems Tycho is saying that art is only ok if it's not a "litmus test". He presupposes that Undertale [I]is[/I] a litmus test, i.e., has been made by its fans into an indicator of cultural status. As an earlyish fan of the game, I may have missed that attitude, but it's one I've never personally seen in the fandom.
This sentence feels like it's in the wrong paragraph. What does it have to do with litmus tests or irony? What does it even mean? Is "the thing" JRPGs and the Reverse Double Irony the dismantler? If so then jfc get your shit together Tycho, both in terms of your priorities and your writing.
The metaphor itself makes sense but acid is a terrible analogue for parody, as evidenced by this mess of a thought. More handwaveyness: "weakness / strength in the subject." What exactly is the subject and how does its strength or weakness show through after the caustic effects of parody? I'd like him to elaborate, but with less emphasis on the literal elements of the metaphor, and more on the metaphor's deeper implications and connections, and its meaning in the context of the larger essay. Currently this segment serves no purpose but to show off that Tycho is aware of metal extraction.
Now Tycho is anthropomorphising the game so that he can strawman it, and in an unnecessarily gruesome way.
This paragraph is the meat of the essay, in which Tycho's babblings come to a head. He is uncomfortable with Undertale's subversion of RPG tropes. He is upset that Undertale does not cling fawningly to tradition. He sees this deviance as a nasty attack on a genre he loves. Correspondingly, he sees Undertale's fans as attackers. Iconoclasm is the destruction of holy symbols or ideals, and Tycho's religion is being questioned by heretics, hence the fanatical response.
And of course, in the last sentence he pulls it back in. We return to the pre-rant state of neutrality towards Undertale, as if that will erase the rest of the essay and its emotional intensity.[/QUOTE]
there's no reason to get this upset over this
Yeah sorry, I snipped it. Don't care if he likes Undertale, I just get really annoyed by bad writing and people who can't handle new things and I needed to write something to get it out of my system.
[QUOTE=greasemunky;49438269]But the message in Undertale doesn't attack other games really, since in Undertale you do have the option of sparing everyone, really it's just pointing out that being violent when there's a choice is the wrong thing to do, and that going out of your way to murder everything just to see what happens is kinda messed up.
But it's popular and tumblr loves it so burn it.[/QUOTE]
Undertale is basically a love letter to games, because it does wonderful things that could only ever work in games. It doesn't just break the fourth wall, it has an enemy that exhibits the same powers as the player. Not the character, the player. (I'm being vague on purpose to avoid spoilers but people who have finished the game will understand)
This kind of thing just doesn't work in other media. A book can't slam itself closed, and a movie can't actually rewind itself (although it can create the illusion and some have). Regardless of how hard they try, they can never have as much power as you do. Games can though, and it's something that not enough games explore.
[QUOTE=ElderLolz;49438797]A friend of mine got mad at me because I sent them music that Toby made.
Imagine getting this angry over a popular game[/QUOTE]
sounds like a really cool friend
can some1 explain to me the deal with gaster having holes in his hands?
I've been spending just weeks on ending doing nothing but making music. Not exclusively Undertale, but that's the majority as well as what I post online.
I was actually proud that I was able to work Small Shock into this song. Mainly because it's actually one of the more powerful songs, just because it was used so perfectly.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmch-GdoaMU[/media]
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;49439082]can some1 explain to me the deal with gaster having holes in his hands?[/QUOTE]
It's one interpretation of his sprite.
[IMG]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n0dgaYe2LZw/hqdefault.jpg[/IMG]
Though honestly his right hand looks more like he's holding a cuppa joe :v:
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49438807]Undertale is basically a love letter to games, because it does wonderful things that could only ever work in games. It doesn't just break the fourth wall, it has an enemy that exhibits the same powers as the player. Not the character, the player. (I'm being vague on purpose to avoid spoilers but people who have finished the game will understand)
This kind of thing just doesn't work in other media. A book can't slam itself closed, and a movie can't actually rewind itself (although it can create the illusion and some have). Regardless of how hard they try, they can never have as much power as you do. Games can though, and it's something that not enough games explore.[/QUOTE]
Video games as a cultural medium is still quite in it's infancy compared to the other mediums in entertainment. And game developers have spent significant effort on improving graphics, physics etc. Once that is mastered, I could see more game developers pushing the narrative power of games.
One thing I never understood is (Major Spoilers) [sp]why does the game reveal that the player actually named Chara and not Frisk?
The more I look back at it the more I get confused because I always thought that the game wanted you to step into Frisk's shoes, but than it suddenly reveals that you're actually the first fallen human.[/sp]
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