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[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;50885646]Reality is different than videogame, isn't that the first thing someone has to understand when he start playing videogame? I mean, it's a mech. It's military gear. Would you really pick the top gamer to control your high cost military gear to destroy a beast that could potentially destroy the whole country or would you take a person who is trained in the field and had many successfull mission in the past?[/QUOTE] uh the entire point is that they didn't have any mech pilots do you read character backstories before you start disputing them or

[QUOTE=Oizen;50885237]Comp OW makes me want to cry sometimes. With its: Insta-locking DPS heroes[/QUOTE] I don't understand why people get shit for this I insta-lock DPS to show my team that that's what I'm best at but if we don't have enough tank/support players I switch

[QUOTE=Altimor;50885787]I don't understand why people get shit for this I insta-lock DPS to show my team that that's what I'm best at but if we don't have enough tank/support players I switch[/QUOTE] There are probably 20x more Attack mains then there are Tank or Support mains. And a lot of them are terrible and play the wrong hero at the wrong time, its become a kneejerk reaction to seeing someone instantly click genji.

wtf is this meta term used in so many multiplayer games? could smbdy explain it please?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50885802]wtf is this meta term used in so many multiplayer games? could smbdy explain it please?[/QUOTE] Metagame refers to the prevalent strategies in competitive play, ie Lucio is meta because he has extremely high pick rates in tournaments.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;50885646]Reality is different than videogame, isn't that the first thing someone has to understand when he start playing videogame? I mean, it's a mech. It's military gear. Would you really pick the top gamer to control your high cost military gear to destroy a beast that could potentially destroy the whole country or would you take a person who is trained in the field and had many successfull mission in the past?[/QUOTE] Do you read the backstory or what? They DID try using military personnel to pilot and they always failed because the Omnic Kaiju is always evolving whenever it reappears. They were desperate so they started grabbing the top Korean gamers in the country to pilot the mechs because they themselves can also always adapt to the situation very quickly.

[QUOTE=Altimor;50885810]Metagame refers to the prevalent strategies in competitive play, ie Lucio is meta because he has extremely high pick rates in tournaments.[/QUOTE] But wait, didn't blizzard make all the characters competitive in some sense? Or some are just too good that it offsets different skill levels between players?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50885802]wtf is this meta term used in so many multiplayer games? could smbdy explain it please?[/QUOTE] Meta basically means: Most Efficient Tactics Available So in the case of OW, some heroes aren't very efficient compared to others. I haven't played comp yet, so I don't know exactly which ones are. Edit: looks like I got beat

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50885892]But wait, didn't blizzard make all the characters competitive in some sense? Or some are just too good that it offsets different skill levels between players?[/QUOTE] Not in the slightest, half of the roster is seen as nonviable, while others see 100% play [t]https://www.overbuff.com/blobs/1kefH6WJFBv.png[/t] [t]https://www.overbuff.com/blobs/1kefQKxVMqQ.png[/t] A lot of them are fundamentally flawed, whether it be hard countered by the top tiers, or just simply outplayed by them.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50885802]wtf is this meta term used in so many multiplayer games? could smbdy explain it please?[/QUOTE] The metagame or 'meta' describes the common strategies, tactics and related concepts of a particular game. What is in the 'meta' is typically described as being good or best meaning using them ensures you win more. Things outside this 'meta' either are used only rarely for a particular situation or aren't viable at all, meaning you will lose more. I'm not up to date with what Overwatch's meta is (I haven't played for a while) so I'm actually curious as to what people think it is right now. I want to get in competitive and I want to hear people's thoughts on it. EDIT: [QUOTE=Oizen;50885925]Not in the slightest, half of the roster is seen as nonviable, while others see 100% play [t]https://www.overbuff.com/blobs/1kefH6WJFBv.png[/t] [t]https://www.overbuff.com/blobs/1kefQKxVMqQ.png[/t] A lot of them are fundamentally flawed, whether it be hard countered by the top tiers, or just simply outplayed by them.[/QUOTE] What the hell happened? Did new strategies and stuff get discovered and techniques, or did Blizzard do a lot of weird balancing? Or did Ana shake a ton of things up? I could have sworn the game was a lot more balanced a few months ago...

Oh hey time to bring this game back with my ult o wait never mind we lose because out of fucking nowhere Lucio's concussion hits me, a ulting Roadhog, a 600 pound tank, currently using an ult that hits opponents with significant knockback, into the fucking stratosphere for no fucking reason.

I think I have to give up on Overwatch for the time being, between my graphics car and the new update effectively killing my connection to the game, it's just not worth being frustrated for half an hour

I bet Blizzard's balance reasoning for making Genji's reflect work on nearly everything was "Oh you can attack him from behind!" Except nearly all Genji players aim at the targets they are deflecting at, and it has an absurdly wide hitbox. And considering one of Mei's tips is "Attack Mei from farther away, where her Endothermic Blaster cannot reach," I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. I honestly would be fine with his deflect if it didn't stop [b]melee attacks.[/b]

God sleep dart is so satisfying, just caught a genji mid dash right after he ulted and won us the game

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50885933]What the hell happened? Did new strategies and stuff get discovered and techniques, or did Blizzard do a lot of weird balancing? Or did Ana shake a ton of things up? I could have sworn the game was a lot more balanced a few months ago...[/QUOTE] It was. Zenyatta got buffed and now dictates balance. Pharah is dead because staying in the air means she can't LoS discord away Mercy is dead because she's just worse than Zenyatta Ana is dead because her crazy high hp/s is still not as good as discord Roadhog is dead because discord subverts his tankiness Genji is high tier because discord lets him get easy and reliable kills with his combos, and Pharah (a natural counter to CQC heroes) has disappeared from the meta Zarya is high tier because her shields are able to dispel discord orbs, and again Pharah isn't there to outrange her laser McCree is high tier because he can get one shots on discorded squishies and because he's the only viable mid range DPS (76 got nerfed and Pharah is again dead)

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50885933] What the hell happened? Did new strategies and stuff get discovered and techniques, or did Blizzard do a lot of weird balancing? Or did Ana shake a ton of things up? I could have sworn the game was a lot more balanced a few months ago...[/QUOTE] Remember back when people thought Zenyatta was bad, turns out he wasn't that bad. Really questionable balance changes were made, I'll explain it per hero if you want to hear it. Only way I can explain it is per hero: [B]S TIER:[/B] [B]Zenyatta:[/B] Got overbuffed, revealed how amazingly broken Discord Orb is, its currently Defining the Meta. Almost every current hero placement is because of Zenyatta. [B]Lucio:[/B] Has been top for ages, speed boost is pretty much the meta. [B]B Tier:[/B] [B]McCree:[/B] Retains a stupid high pickrate because with the Discord Orb Meta he can oneshot almost the entire roster minus tanks. Still lacks a hard counter, beats out most of the roster in one way or another [B]Zarya:[/B] Huge increase in players because she's the best at resisting the discord orb meta, counters a lot of heroes with no counter of her own. [B]D Tier:[/B] [B]D.Va & Roadhog:[/B] Been dropping for the past 2 weeks due to the sharp increase of Zarya players, who hardcounters both of them. Can barely defend themselves against the Discrod Orb [B]F Tier:[/B] [B]Mercy:[/B] Got Nerfed, people realized she's a flat downgrade to Zenyatta. She has to pick between boosting, healing, and dps, Zenyatta can do all 3 at the same time, while his damage boost is better and his dps is far better. [B]Ana:[/b] Actually decent, just has no place in the Zen Lucio lineup [b]Soldier 76:[/b] Was nerfed due to exploits, hit his dps hard enough to make him a downgrade to McCree [b]Pharah:[/b] Hard countered by Zenyatta/McCree, cannot be made viable in the current meta due to lack of counters for Zen/McCree [b]The Entire Defense Catagory[/b] Was always niche and never was good. Bliz fucked up.

[QUOTE=Oizen;50886042]Remember back when people thought Zenyatta was bad, turns out he wasn't that bad.[/QUOTE] People knew he was extremely strong when he was alive. He was just always dead with 150 HP.

I kind of hate the Overwatch community sometimes because the only discussion about this fame is how OP every hero is and how it you get killed by them They're OP and need a nerf

[QUOTE=Altimor;50886048]People knew he was extremely strong when he was alive. He was just always dead with 150 HP.[/QUOTE] Because Widowmaker ruled the game. She was nerfed, and he got buffed to 200 hp, along with the ult buff and the orb speed buff. Really brought out how powerful he was, especially after nerfing the hero who kept him down

[QUOTE=Oizen;50885925]Not in the slightest, half of the roster is seen as nonviable, while others see 100% play [t]https://www.overbuff.com/blobs/1kefH6WJFBv.png[/t] [t]https://www.overbuff.com/blobs/1kefQKxVMqQ.png[/t] A lot of them are fundamentally flawed, whether it be hard countered by the top tiers, or just simply outplayed by them.[/QUOTE] This is too sad to watch Sombra will be one of the low tier too if i had to take a guess.

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;50885630]D.Va makes no sense at all and, in fact, i wish her canon story was her being a south korean mercenary engaged in the omnic war with her junker mech. I like it better like that. Now that i think about it, why is there no fan content which depict the overwatch character with their custom skins like riverboat for McCree or Cybergoth for Zarya. Meme should be made with other character skin than default.[/QUOTE] you gotta go out and get it [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpI7gHjUsAAmHVl.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Oizen;50886042]snip[/QUOTE] Jees, did Blizzard learn nothing from TF2's balance, or even Dota 2's or League's balance? I must admit it's pretty shocking that Zenyatta wasn't fixed almost immediately if he's dictating the meta so hard right now. I always knew Zenyatta needed something small, not large, since Discord is very strong, since compared to Mercy's single target damage boost, a defense debuff on an enemy hero works for everyone. Also I'm very sad to hear Soldier 76 being nerfed, he was my favourite hero. I'd also argue that defense wasn't always niche but I must admit I never played at a real competitive level. Is the game still fun to play competitive or is it boring? From what you've described Blizzard really needs to make some major balance changes to bring everyone more in-line with each other.

revert everything back to release remove widowmaker game is fixed

The only hero I disagree with in that tier list is Junkrat, he should be D tier at least.

Zenyatta not only makes half the roster of heroes to play non viable he also shuts down any individualism among players, you can't go Rambo mode anymore and expect to turn the game around, it simply means if he's there hiding behind players, one discord and you are dead, the worst thing about this ability is lack of cooldown.

[QUOTE=Killajax;50885994]I bet Blizzard's balance reasoning for making Genji's reflect work on nearly everything was "Oh you can attack him from behind!" Except nearly all Genji players aim at the targets they are deflecting at, and it has an absurdly wide hitbox. And considering one of Mei's tips is "Attack Mei from farther away, where her Endothermic Blaster cannot reach," I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. I honestly would be fine with his deflect if it didn't stop [b]melee attacks.[/b][/QUOTE] I first noticed Genji reflected melee attacks when I fisted myself as McCree Now I stay away from Genjis. Like really far away

[QUOTE=SLBros.;50886247]I first noticed Genji reflected melee attacks when I fisted myself as McCree Now I stay away from Genjis. Like really far away[/QUOTE] That sound sexual

I think they handled widowmaker wrong. I feel she was fine pre-nerf but needed a longer charge rate.

[QUOTE=Grindigo;50886219]Zenyatta not only makes half the roster of heroes to play non viable he also shuts down any individualism among players, you can't go Rambo mode anymore and expect to turn the game around, it simply means if he's there hiding behind players, one discord and you are dead, the worst thing about this ability is lack of cooldown.[/QUOTE] I just hope Zen is made good/ok in some situations / comps. Before he was basically never pick and now I play him super frequently and I feel OP.

[QUOTE=Altimor;50886016]It was. Zenyatta got buffed and now dictates balance. Pharah is dead because staying in the air means she can't LoS discord away Mercy is dead because she's just worse than Zenyatta Ana is dead because her crazy high hp/s is still not as good as discord Roadhog is dead because discord subverts his tankiness Genji is high tier because discord lets him get easy and reliable kills with his combos, and Pharah (a natural counter to CQC heroes) has disappeared from the meta Zarya is high tier because her shields are able to dispel discord orbs, and again Pharah isn't there to outrange her laser McCree is high tier because he can get one shots on discorded squishies and because he's the only viable mid range DPS (76 got nerfed and Pharah is again dead)[/QUOTE] Is the whole "El presidente" strat still viable in koth? I still remember that being used before Zen\McCree buffs.