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am I the only one who thinks Blizzard needs to rework Symmetra she's so underpicked and kinda useless at higher levels, she also needs to be moved to defense but I feel as if people have been saying that for a while

[QUOTE=halflambada;50807914]am I the only one who thinks Blizzard needs to rework Symmetra she's so underpicked and kinda useless at higher levels, she also needs to be moved to defense but I feel as if people have been saying that for a while[/QUOTE] It would be nice if she weren't just a teleporterbot.

[QUOTE=Bathtub;50807899]because people disagree with you?[/QUOTE] Don't make him think about it or he might stick around

I think making symmetras turrets a bit smaller, making deploy rate faster and turret replenish speed faster would make her a great choice. As soon as you put more turrets up someone is going to destroy them quickly and the time it takes to recharge them is way too long to make the turrets viable. And putting her in the Defensive category.

They should give her a proper Ult instead of making it an ability that should be something she should be able to do by default. I'd personally make it so symmetra's tele works more like TF2 Engineer's tele in the sense it takes 10-15 seconds to build and has to cooldown between teleports, maybe with the cooldown being determined by how far away the teleporter is, but have it replace her shield giving ability and make that passive, along with giving her some sort of proper ult that can attempt to negate a push or something. [editline]uioygv[/editline] [QUOTE=redBadger;50807958] And putting her in the Defensive category.[/QUOTE] Support should just be specifically healer classes since that's basically all it is.

Found a new way for mercy's healing + dmg boost at the same time, and it works. And another thing i've found for bastion's ult. Having no recoil when shooting. Gotta love finding bugs. :v:

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50807988]Why symmetra is in the support class is beyond me. Only supporting thing she has is a teleport and shield but hey torb gives out armor has turrets and is the better defense hero...[/QUOTE] She's a support because the teleporter negates death. Not sure I agree with it but I assume that's the reasoning.

Symmetra should just be Combat Girl from Super Monday Night Combat. She was a blast, and had mini turrets, and was support.

Holy shit finally rank 70, feels really good to set a goal and achieve it. Shoutouts to my duoq loyal supportplayer

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50808024]The only supporting thing is that teleport. Which IMO isn't great right now. Sure it can save walking back from let's say the spawn of hanamura which can take a while if you aren't a fast character. It could be a lot better IMO.[/QUOTE] The only supporting thing is the teleport, but the teleport is pretty much all she's good for.

why does anyone even play symmetra shes garbage and not fun

[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;50808024]The only supporting thing is that teleport. Which IMO isn't great right now. Sure it can save walking back from let's say the spawn of hanamura which can take a while if you aren't a fast character. It could be a lot better IMO.[/QUOTE] She'd be a better support if her shield buff was bigger and had a special faster regen rate. Or make it re-castable so you could focus on a tank and keep their shield up longer. Also it doesn't really make much sense to me that the speed/heals support character has an ultimate that gives a ton of shields and not the shield support character.

[QUOTE=redBadger;50807862]I like Numbani. At least it isn't *insert koth map here* Sure koth is perfectly balanced but its so damn boring.[/QUOTE] I would rather play nothing but KotH in competitive at this point because the only determining factor of winning in KotH is being the better team. In every other map some shit is just so impossible to defend beyond a certain point and then every game comes down to coinflip. [editline]31st July 2016[/editline] And capture point is just garbage.

[QUOTE=Bathtub;50808052]why does anyone even play symmetra shes garbage and not fun[/QUOTE] I really disagree with the 'not fun' part, but I do agree she needs work in some areas considering she's not often picked I think her primary weapon is really satisfying to use and destroys offense heroes often times

[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;50808056]She'd be a better support if her shield buff was bigger and had a special faster regen rate. Or make it re-castable so you could focus on a tank and keep their shield up longer. Also it doesn't really make much sense to me that the speed/heals support character has an ultimate that gives a ton of shields and not the shield support character.[/QUOTE] They can't make the shield bigger without making her OP. Tracer and Genji (or any hero really) with an extra 50 health start to become broken.

If had a dollar for every time someone types "GG Easy" in chat. I would have enough money to end world hunger. I'm not even mad. I'm just impressed.

I mean, you guys are kinda discounting her shields, even if they're not as good as they used to be. They're still a 25hp automatic heal that'll consistently come back without even needing the Symmetra's attention, that is if you're not constantly getting hurt. It still could use a buff though, like adding 25 shields and converting 25 base health into shields, since adding 50 health straight up to some characters flat out breaks them. Also wish she had a Friendly Health Regenerated card, I'm interested myself to see the numbers for a normal match

Hanamura attack is great for shenanigans [quote][vid]http://files.1337upload.net/Desktop_07.30.2016_-_00.25.39.20.DVR_soldiers-d1dccc.webm[/vid] [img]http://files.1337upload.net/20160730003235_soldiers-df4893.jpg[/img][/quote] [sp]soldiers in the middle are holding hands <3[/sp]

[QUOTE=Talishmar;50808137]Hanamura attack is great for shenanigans [sp]soldiers in the middle are holding hands <3[/sp][/QUOTE] Love blooms on the battlefield.

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Just had a 76 in a comp match that would do nothing but try to snipe people. He ulted once the entire match.

Fuck Hanzo players and their instakill scattershot arrow. Like seriously this shit shouldn't oneshot a 250hp hero.

[QUOTE=Hammer7;50808239]Fuck Hanzo players and their instakill scattershot arrow. Like seriously this shit shouldn't oneshot a 250hp hero.[/QUOTE] But that's all he has

[QUOTE=Altimor;50808254]But that's all he has[/QUOTE] People talk about Mei and Symmetra having to be reworked and I 100% agree with that, but people neglect Hanzo. If his only use is bullshit scatter arrows and spamming around corners, then out of all the heroes, he should be the one to receive a rework first.

Symmetra is kind of decent because you can swap out a mercy with a longer-lasting lucio, but she's still pretty worthless. Maybe give her more spawn-related buffs like people spawning get a speed boost that lasts for five or so seconds, and it'll persist even when taking her teleporter. I also feel like her giving other people shields should also give herself 5+ shield per player like others have been suggesting. One of my dumb suggestions is perhaps make it so her turrets can target projectiles and slow them down in a statis? The longer turret(s) fire at a projectile, the faster the projectile will disintegrate?

[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;50808074]They can't make the shield bigger without making her OP. Tracer and Genji (or any hero really) with an extra 50 health start to become broken.[/QUOTE] Torbjorn's armor pack gives you 75 extra health, i think 50 shields would be reasonable. If you want to balance out the scrap cost, give the ability a cool down, one long enough that you can't buff all five team mates before the round starts like her turrets.

[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;50808359]Torbjorn's armor pack gives you 75 extra health, i think 50 shields would be reasonable. If you want to balance out the scrap cost, give the ability a cool down, one long enough that you can't buff all five team mates before the round starts like her turrets.[/QUOTE] 50 shields that REGENS when out of combat. Something flankers do constantly. 75 armor gets eaten away and doesn't come back unless he throws down another. That 75 armor needs to be obtained through 2 enemy deaths.

Almost all the Defense heroes (That includes Symm) need something done about them. They have some of the biggest flaws compared to most of the other classes. Mei, Bastion, and Hanzo sometimes are just dead weight on a team if they are fighting against any competent players. Junkrat and Widow I could say are the "least bad" and can work but could still use some changes here or there to make them better and less niche (Though I would hate to see more Widows in general but that's not the point.)

The Ana Variety Power Hour, where everything you can do with Ana gets done in less than 15 seconds so it's not actually an hour at all [QUOTE] [vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/wzthyz.webm[/vid][/QUOTE]

Instead of 25 extra shields, she should [I]replace[/I] 50-60 health with shields, maybe give it an actual cast time too. Or just do away with shielding entirely, make her teleport a regular thing, give her an actual game-changing ult and move her to defense