You can get a DK1 on ebay for $100 less than that and have an actual VR headset if you really cant wait for the consumer releases later this year/early next year
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oculus-Rift-DK1-Development-Kit1-used-without-manual-/151795365557?hash=item2357b576b5[/url]
[QUOTE=KOManiacJim;48593088]I finally decided to get a Used Sony HMZ-T1 because they are currently the budget HMD that I can snag within about 2 months.[/QUOTE]
"finally decided"
you say that as if you have put actual time into researching your options.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;48594835]You can get a DK1 on ebay for $100 less than that and have an actual VR headset if you really cant wait for the consumer releases later this year/early next year
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oculus-Rift-DK1-Development-Kit1-used-without-manual-/151795365557?hash=item2357b576b5[/url][/QUOTE]
295$ isn't 100 or less
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;48594862]295$ isn't 100 or less[/QUOTE]
[quote]$100 less than that[/quote]
"that" being the shitty HMD for 400 dollars.
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;48594862]295$ isn't 100 or less[/QUOTE]
100 less than the cost of the other thing, which was $400 used
and trust me when I say don't even HUMOR the idea of those shitty HMD screen things. I had to work with a zeiss cinemizer, and while that type of screen experience is already far removed from the convenience of anything outside of maybe watching movies on your laptop on a long plane ride, I also had the honor of testing their head tracking that they were sure would snag the VR gaming community during the oculus early hype
it was basically a gyroscopic mouse strapped to the glasses, with no relative positioning, and moving your head with a tiny screen way the hell away from you felt like you had kaleidoscope tubes taped to your eyeballs
just don't do it if you plan on anything short of watching videos while looking like an idiot. That unit you listed is huge and unwieldly compared to other hmds of the same price range too
[QUOTE=dai;48594892]100 less than the cost of the other thing, which was $400 used
and trust me when I say don't even HUMOR the idea of those shitty HMD screen things. I had to work with a zeiss cinemizer, and while that type of screen experience is already far removed from the convenience of anything outside of maybe watching movies on your laptop on a long plane ride, I also had the honor of testing their head tracking that they were sure would snag the VR gaming community during the oculus early hype
it was basically a gyroscopic mouse strapped to the glasses, with no relative positioning, and moving your head with a tiny screen way the hell away from you felt like you had kaleidoscope tubes taped to your eyeballs
just don't do it if you plan on anything short of watching videos while looking like an idiot. That unit you listed is huge and unwieldly compared to other hmds of the same price range too[/QUOTE]
there's no point for even going for a discount dk1 when cv1 is right around the corner
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;48595016]there's no point for even going for a discount dk1 when cv1 is right around the corner[/QUOTE]
no, but that's also not what your post argued, and even if it wasn't around the corner, there'd be no reason to go buying a [url=http://www.amazon.com/Sony-HMZ-T1-Personal-3D-Viewer/dp/B005LDY0KC]$900 HMD[/url] that won't do anything even remotely useful for someone hoping to get something like the oculus. Value of the product means nothing if it's the wrong product
[QUOTE=dai;48595069]no, but that's also not what your post argued, and even if it wasn't around the corner, there'd be no reason to go buying a [url=http://www.amazon.com/Sony-HMZ-T1-Personal-3D-Viewer/dp/B005LDY0KC]$900 HMD[/url] that won't do anything even remotely useful for someone hoping to get something like the oculus. Value of the product means nothing if it's the wrong product[/QUOTE]
i'm not saying that that post was wrong, i'm saying that you shouldn't even go for neither the dk1/2 nor the sony
I think the big question here is [I]why[/I] is he even considering the big Sony thing? What is looking to get out of it? Maybe he doesn't even want a VR headset? I mean, I don't think it's worth getting either way but I'm baffled and curious as to why KOManiacJim is even considering it.
I've used those kinds of HMDs before. They're really primitive and aren't of much use aside from looking funny during a plane ride to watch a movie. The one I tried had a pretty awful resolution so I wouldn't even use it for that, but I assume at least with an $800 dollar HMD that it can watch a movie and it won't look like 640x480.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;48594835]You can get a DK1 on ebay for $100 less than that and have an actual VR headset if you really cant wait for the consumer releases later this year/early next year
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oculus-Rift-DK1-Development-Kit1-used-without-manual-/151795365557?hash=item2357b576b5[/url][/QUOTE]
tbh even for 200$ less a dk1 wouldn't be worth the money or wait
I'd rather wait AND pay more for something that's going to be vastly superior.
[editline]1st September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=KOManiacJim;48593088]I finally decided to get a Used Sony HMZ-T1 because they are currently the budget HMD that I can snag within about 2 months.[/QUOTE]
what you think it'll be like
[URL="https://soundcloud.com/irvingforce/gridlock-shootout"][img]http://vdcds.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/img_sony_hmz-t1.jpg[/img][/URL]
what it'll really be like
[t]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/529720171162644480/VoDNO-Pr.png[/t]
[QUOTE=KOManiacJim;48595256]Yes, I Am Weird for mentioning the Sony HMZ-T1. I am mainly in it for Novelty and it would be nice to have something among the lines of a Virtual Boy while doubling to having a Monitor that I can use for Novelty like First Person Shooters and Various Games. At Least the PC have [B]Way More Games[/B] than the Virtual Boy. Say... it's 22 to the PC's Hundreds of Thousands.[/QUOTE]
Okay. You're beyond hope, I guess.
You've been warned. We've done all we can do. Now go waste your money, kid.
[QUOTE=KOManiacJim;48595256]Yes, I Am Weird for mentioning the Sony HMZ-T1. I am mainly in it for Novelty and it would be nice to have something among the lines of a Virtual Boy while doubling to having a Monitor that I can use for Novelty like First Person Shooters and Various Games. At Least the PC have [B]Way More Games[/B] than the Virtual Boy. Say... it's 22 to the PC's Hundreds of Thousands.[/QUOTE]
Right I get that, but why not save your money and wait like 4-5 months for a product that actually provides a cool experience and not one that is ACTUALLY a (mediocre) tv strapped to your face.
Also your random use of capital letters is really fucking with me :v:
if you want the experience of a virtual boy you could always strap a brick to your head and then run into a wall at high speeds
it'll be exactly like using the virtual boy, red vision and mental anguish included, only cheaper!
Also, just fyi, if people here seem a little salty about your purchasing decisions, its not personal, its just that VR has had a pretty terrible uphill battle against the exact type of products you're describing (that tout themselves as VR), and is going to be trying to shake that shitty image for quite some time, unfortunately.
So just understand that what you're buying ISNT virtual reality, at all.
[editline]1st September 2015[/editline]
and dont give people the impression that it's VR and perpetuate the shitty stereotypes that still plague the technology
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;48595346]Also, just fyi, if people here seem a little salty about your purchasing decisions, its not personal, its just that VR has had a pretty terrible uphill battle against the exact type of products you're describing (that tout themselves as VR), and is going to be trying to shake that shitty image for quite some time, unfortunately.
So just understand what you're buying ISNT virtual reality, at all.[/QUOTE]
pretty much. There are so many insanely terrible gimmicks already being advertised trying to copy cat the OR/VIVE
before the OC was even kickstarted, VR was nothing but an absolute gimmick and joke. Every single thing developed was only developed off really dumb hype as a lazy cash grab or an attempt to look like anyone could possibly use it at all.
[QUOTE=KOManiacJim;48594708]I haven't bought the HMZ-T1 yet. The price is around USD $400.
Also, You make a Budget HMD sound like a Virtual Boy, Even if it is a Glorified TV. But then again Your Mileage May Vary.[/QUOTE]
man you could buy a dk2 from oculus for $50 cheaper if you're that impatient. not recommended but still
[QUOTE=KOManiacJim;48595256]Yes, I Am Weird for mentioning the Sony HMZ-T1. I am mainly in it for Novelty and it would be nice to have something among the lines of a Virtual Boy while doubling to having a Monitor that I can use for Novelty like First Person Shooters and Various Games. At Least the PC have [B]Way More Games[/B] than the Virtual Boy. Say... it's 22 to the PC's Hundreds of Thousands.[/QUOTE]
I was looking at the HMZ-T1 for a while when it first came out. If you're looking for a personal movie theatre, then you'll be getting one. As others have said, it has no head tracking. It's also using 2 small 720p screens that can support 3D content which, in theory, should actually be pretty good for viewing content (Similar image quality to the DK2 I think).
In short, it's not a bad deal to have a personal 3D-capable movie theatre to strap to your face at $400. On the other hand, don't expect it to be like an Oculus.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;48595925]I was looking at the HMZ-T1 for a while when it first came out. If you're looking for a personal movie theatre, then you'll be getting one. As others have said, it has no head tracking. It's also using 2 small 720p screens that can support 3D content which, in theory, should actually be pretty good for viewing content (Similar image quality to the DK2 I think).
In short, it's not a bad deal to have a personal 3D-capable movie theatre to strap to your face at $400. On the other hand, don't expect it to be like an Oculus.[/QUOTE]
additonally, on the other hand, the oculus will be better and the same price / lower
[QUOTE=Daemon White;48595925]I was looking at the HMZ-T1 for a while when it first came out. If you're looking for a personal movie theatre, then you'll be getting one. As others have said, it has no head tracking. It's also using 2 small 720p screens that can support 3D content which, in theory, should actually be pretty good for viewing content (Similar image quality to the DK2 I think).
In short, it's not a bad deal to have a personal 3D-capable movie theatre to strap to your face at $400. On the other hand, don't expect it to be like an Oculus.[/QUOTE]
HMZ-T1 - the ultimate stop-looking-at-my-laptop-screen deterrent.
this fuggen guy, the last page gave me a good chuckle
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3jan4m/the_gallery_call_of_the_starseed_vive_pax/"]The Gallery PAX impressions from reddit[/URL]
[QUOTE]Got to talk with one of the Cloudhead devs and they said they've already been using the new version of the Vive controller. The top mushroom part will have a smaller rounded shape and the touchpad will be more indented. I didn't catch it closely, but something about the side grab buttons are designed so they hold on to your fingers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Clavus;48580309]Yeah I remember seeing that [url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2015/08/directx-12-tested-an-early-win-for-amd-and-disappointment-for-nvidia/]benchmark[/url] a while back, and didn't quite believe that AMD could make such huge gains in DX12 (or that Nvidia had poor DX12 drivers atm). But here we are.
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/08/heavy.001-980x720.png[/img]
[img]http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/08/percentile.001-1.png.001-980x720.png[/img]
GCN apparently has a lot more future-proofing under the hood than Nvidia does. But take everything with a grain of salt till we see more benchmarks from independent tech sites.[/QUOTE]
Want to make a follow-up to this, since people have been busy. This comment by an AMD PR guy on Reddit states the truth:
[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3j2wpj/x_post_rpcgaming_nvidia_gpus_do_not_support_dx12/cum3xow[/url]
[quote]I think gamers are learning an important lesson: there's no such thing as "full support" for DX12 on the market today.
There have been many attempts to distract people from this truth through campaigns that deliberately conflate feature levels, individual untiered features and the definition of "support." This has been confusing, and caused so much unnecessary heartache and rumor-mongering.
Here is the unvarnished truth: Every graphics architecture has unique features, and no one architecture has them all. Some of those unique features are more powerful than others.
Yes, we're extremely pleased that people are finally beginning to see the game of chess we've been playing with the interrelationship of GCN, Mantle, DX12, Vulkan and LiquidVR.[/quote]
What it comes down to is that Ashes, a big RTS that utilizes compute shaders to a large extent for unit pathing and whatnot, has an atypically large compute task load which is where AMD shines since their GCN architecture can do graphics and compute in parallel, while Nvidia's Maxwell architecture simply cannot (it can still do the task, just sequentially). This doesn't really mean that one is better than the other, rather that this game presents a scenario where AMD's architecture has a big advantage.
[editline]2nd September 2015[/editline]
In the end it doesn't matter all that much for VR unless devs are willing to throw a lot of compute tasks in already perf-constricted VR games.
Sony just announced a phone with an 800ppi display. It's happening.
I don't have high hopes for first gen 4K smartphones
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3jdoiz/just_got_back_from_pax15_and_got_to_play_a_lot_of/"]Redditor with impressions from PAX.[/URL] Tried mostly Rift demos and one Morpheus demo. Couldn't try the Vive.
[QUOTE=Orkel;48600632]I don't have high hopes for first gen 4K smartphones[/QUOTE]
Depends on the hardware and optimization. There are hardware choices out there that can do 4K in a smartphone form factor, but they're more expensive than your standard Snapdragon 808.
[QUOTE=woolio1;48600691]Depends on the hardware and optimization. There are hardware choices out there that can do 4K in a smartphone form factor, but they're more expensive than your standard Snapdragon 808.[/QUOTE]
Powering a high res display isn't nearly as intensive as people think it is. Obviously running 3D applications and the like is but simply displaying general smartphone stuff is child's play. People thought when displays went up to QHD that performance and battery life would suffer, but they didn't.
Epic released the Showdown VR demo (originally used to demonstrate the Oculus Crescent Bay prototype):
[url]https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/showdown-cinematic-vr-experience-released-for-free[/url]
[QUOTE=Orkel;48600632]I don't have high hopes for first gen 4K smartphones[/QUOTE]
2 minute battery life gotta love it
[QUOTE=J!NX;48601333]2 minute battery life gotta love it[/QUOTE]
Depends on what screen tech they're using. With OLED, they could have a dark theme that would give you [I]FOUR[/I] minutes of battery life!
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