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[QUOTE=Suttles;50366747]just like every other priest legendary besides Voljin (which wasn't even that good), it's a gimmick that is too slow. Yes, velen's otk is a thing but outside of otk he's 100% useless. I've played a fair bit of nzoth priest, and I tried herald over and over...its just there's better options in a priest deck. Coolest thing I did with him was replicate an auchenai, pyro and a corrupted healbot for lethal. i actually wish shadowcaster was the priest legendary, and rogue got herald Priest typically struggles with a board, even one minion on the board is rare.[/QUOTE] instead priest have a the best removal in the game and still sucks because all they can do is stall and force people to play them like 20 minutes instead of 5-10.

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[t]http://i.imgur.com/XtiTXbU.jpg[/t] Real swell guys. I also talked to HotForm but unfortunately I forgot to ask him to sign my pass.

[QUOTE=Cesakich;50366523]I've watched a lot of Kripparian's videos and he seems to love putting a little C'Thun into otherwise normal control decks Everybody expected "C'Thun decks" to be a thing but it turns out the big guy may just be way better in moderation[/QUOTE] Turns out to be stupidly easy to get him to ten attack. Don't actually need many buff cards to unlock the powerful effects of cards like Vek'lor. Personally I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this easy, though looking back I have no idea why I didn't see it.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;50365759]I'm seeing them less and less but N'Zoth just shits all over C'Thun decks - especially Priest[/QUOTE] The Druid matchup has been improved too. I once Thoughtstole two Raven Idols and got an Entomb off of each of them :v: Quad Entomb is the most hilariously evil thing in the universe.

It's a shame Tides got eliminated from the Americas Spring prelims. He was running a really cool Shaman [URL="http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/550152-tidesoftimes-shaman-americas-spring-prelims-2016v"]deck[/URL] with Hallazeal, N'Zoth, and Yogg that I wanted to see more of.

[QUOTE=Archimedes;50367806][t]http://i.imgur.com/XtiTXbU.jpg[/t] Real swell guys. I also talked to HotForm but unfortunately I forgot to ask him to sign my pass.[/QUOTE] I'll be so happy to meet the mayor of valuetown

Mmmm, that Miracle Rogue patented bullshit-out-a-win was great to watch. [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] Speaking of Miracle Rogue, I'm enjoying playing it. Feels good. And dirty. I feel like a serial murderer when I play this deck :v:

I would love to make a Miracle Rogue but I don't have Thalnos or Van Cleef :/ I don't suppose I could get away with just saving up for Bloodmage and hoping Eddie's unneccessary huh

I unpacked a golden van cleef once. Dusted him to make dr boom.

[video=youtube;g9s2-73px3U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9s2-73px3U[/video] Needs more Zoo and Cancer Shaman

So I just touched ranked for the first time in a month of being too busy to put some good time into the game. I just went from rank 17 to 7 today playing Miracle Rogue. What a hilariously retarded deck. I feel like a slimeball.

I swear to god, every single time I get a good thing going and break past rank 15 its just instantly an endless torrent of face decks. Like why is this the meta holy shit.

There is this gap of ranks before legend where people are trying very hard to quickly win games to get to rank up so they play face decks. Just play decks that can counter or rival those decks and by out playing them you can grind past it. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] Generally speaking, playing bad with an aggro deck will net you more wins than playing bad with a combo or control deck.

[QUOTE=Lolkork;50376342]An aggro deck will climb faster than a control deck even if it has like a 5-10% lower winrate.[/QUOTE] I remember when aggro was running rampant, and the best counter deck available happened to be Face Hunter because it was just even faster than the rest. The golden age of Hearthstone, really.

So I'm playing Rogue mill, and while it is fun it isn't very good. What other Rogue decks play like Rogue control decks are there that are fun?

[QUOTE=AeroSinthetic;50377692]I remember when aggro was running rampant, and the best counter deck available happened to be Face Hunter because it was just even faster than the rest. The golden age of Hearthstone, really.[/QUOTE] It was specifically for Zoolock actually, since Hunter is such a great matchup against Warlock generally. Whenever Zoolock becomes popular, just run Face Hunter. The problem currently is that Shaman is just such a menace right now and even Hunter can't keep up with it. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=thefreeman;50379145]So I'm playing Rogue mill, and while it is fun it isn't very good. What other Rogue decks play like Rogue control decks are there that are fun?[/QUOTE] Miracle Rogue plays like a control deck for a few turns then instagibs your opponent in a flurry of spells :v: Rogue isn't really a good control class because of its card velocity and how weak it is to fatigue.

Possibly controversial opinion: Midrange Hunter is better than Zoolock right now People are starting to figure out ways around the new Zoo; less people seem to be able to deal with Hunter constantly spitting out decent sized minions At least in my experience its a slightly better matchup against Shaman so I might be biased

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;50379332]It was specifically for Zoolock actually, since Hunter is such a great matchup against Warlock generally. Whenever Zoolock becomes popular, just run Face Hunter. The problem currently is that Shaman is just such a menace right now and even Hunter can't keep up with it. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] Miracle Rogue plays like a control deck for a few turns then instagibs your opponent in a flurry of spells :v: Rogue isn't really a good control class because of its card velocity and how weak it is to fatigue.[/QUOTE] What exactly is Miracle Rogue?

[QUOTE=thefreeman;50379606]What exactly is Miracle Rogue?[/QUOTE] A deck that runs a bunch of cheap spells, Gadgetzan Auctioneer, and some kind of win condition (Cold Blood + Cold Blood + Leeroy, Malyogs + Sinister Strike + Sinister Strike, etc) that they draw into by cycling their spells off of Gadgetzan.

Malygos Rogue is usually not counted as Miracle anymore and is its own archetype. Right now Cold Blood'd minions and then giving them Stealth is pretty good so that is what the current iteration of Miracle Rogue is based on.

[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;50380170]Malygos Rogue is usually not counted as Miracle anymore and is its own archetype. Right now Cold Blood'd minions and then giving them Stealth is pretty good so that is what the current iteration of Miracle Rogue is based on.[/QUOTE] Does the Malygos variant run other dragon synergy? To my understanding it was still just a sub variant of Miracle.

[QUOTE=archival;50376069]I swear to god, every single time I get a good thing going and break past rank 15 its just instantly an endless torrent of face decks. Like why is this the meta holy shit.[/QUOTE] Because aggro counters C'Thun, so anyone worth their salt is running aggro to shut that shit down.

Nobody's really playing C'Thun right now though People love to take their decks straight from the meta snapshot and there's no true C'Thun decks past tier 3

[QUOTE=Archimedes;50380204]Does the Malygos variant run other dragon synergy? To my understanding it was still just a sub variant of Miracle.[/QUOTE] Traditionally for Rogue, no; however, I could see some people doing it. Most Malygos decks [i]do[/i] run the dragon synergy cards, but MalyRogue actually tends not to. I guess it is just more efficient not to. The basic Rogue cards are really damn powerful after all. [editline]24th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Cesakich;50380269]Nobody's really playing C'Thun right now though People love to take their decks straight from the meta snapshot and there's no true C'Thun decks past tier 3[/QUOTE] Define "true C'Thun decks." Control Warrior right now actually prefers C'Thun since it requires so little input in deck space and Vek'lor is so god damn powerful. Also keep in mind the eb and flow of the meta. It still isn't done shifting as when the set first came out, the first refined lists were aggro decks that overran ladder, and now control decks are slowly meandering their way to the top. C'thun decks are traditionally midrange decks because you play a curve and have a top-end finisher if you haven't won by then. Control decks often have a very hard time dealing with midrange and combo decks if they outfit themselves to deal with hyper aggressive decks like Aggro Shaman, so we could see another shift soon. ... Is what I would say if N'Zoth wasn't just so damn good at dealing with C'Thun. You run Sylvanas in N'Zoth control decks, every time. You have access to her multiple times a game, in fact. This fact alone makes it really hard for C'Thun to really shine in this meta. If we ever see N'Zoth and consequently Sylvanas to see a bit less play in the meta, we could definitely see C'Thun decks coming back in full-swing. [editline]24th May 2016[/editline] Then again, none of us have to worry about any of this. I, for one, welcome our [url=https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/decks/miracle-rogue-standard-meta-snapshot-may-18-2016]new combo overlords[/url].

I guess I just don't count Control Warrior w/ C'Thun stuff as true C'Thun It goes back to what people were saying earlier about only needing a little synergy for C'Thun stuff to work, there aren't as many decks built around him entirely as there were at the start I don't think we're ever going to stop seeing N'Zoth and Sylvanas (Especially Sylvanas) so I just don't ever think full-on "C'Thun decks" are [I]ever[/I] going to be a major threat again Unless they nerf Sylvie. Which seems... Unlikely

I know this is technically true of any variant, but full-on C'Thun decks really need to draw on curve - otherwise it just ends up being too slow If it's turn 5/6 by the time C'Thun gets its first buff then you're in trouble

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20516268/Hearthstone/Hearthstone%20Screenshot%2005-24-16%2017.45.46.png[/img] [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20516268/Hearthstone/Hearthstone%20Screenshot%2005-24-16%2017.45.55.png[/t] THESE FUCKING ODDS

[QUOTE=archival;50376069]I swear to god, every single time I get a good thing going and break past rank 15 its just instantly an endless torrent of face decks. Like why is this the meta holy shit.[/QUOTE] Because they're fast and easy to play.

the faster your deck the faster you win or lose, the faster you climb