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The current state of yogg is basically what my biggest fear was back when it was announced. I hoped that it would just be a gimmick card that a lot of people would try out for shits and giggles, then they'd realize it isn't good and abandon trying to make it work. That's basically what the first couple weeks after WOG release were like, people were making all sorts of weird mage decks, then the hype died down and it went away for a while. Then it turned out to be one of the strongest cards in the game that can just straight up win you 50% of the games that you'd otherwise always have lost. It basically takes a huge steaming dump on almost any game that goes past turn 10. It's the one card that makes me want to play face shaman just so I don't have to suffer its stupidity.

One of the worst case scenarios for it when you play it is that it just ends up being Deathwing, but... Deathwing's a pretty good card, just a limited one And the best case scenario is so good that even with the possibility of the downsides it's a risk people are happy to take if it gives them a chance to not lose

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAivMmRHgrc[/media] just wanna repost noxious' eternally relevant video on rng

Yogg is a disgusting card. It's absurdly high variance RNG that can disregard board state and swing the game from any situation.

I like Yogg because I'm a filthy casual. One time, I got destroyed really hard by one, but still, using one at the end of a match before winning or losing (And if the other guy doesn't concede) is always fun and see RNG in action.

Most people tend to agree that he's fun, I think most people just want to see him banned from competitive play Having tournaments for any amount of money can feel bad when players end up winning or losing on the back of the RNG of one card

What do you guys think? [img]http://www.hearthcards.net/cards/660cfb22.png[/img] I think this would be just what Valeera would need to be super viable.

I think they'd need like one more spell like that but it's a neat effect

[QUOTE=Cesakich;51075443]Most people tend to agree that he's fun, I think most people just want to see him banned from competitive play Having tournaments for any amount of money can feel bad when players end up winning or losing on the back of the RNG of one card[/QUOTE] Why just tournaments, ban it from ladder too. It's literally a joke of a card that should be restricted only to non-serious game modes.

[QUOTE=pebkac;51075930]Why just tournaments, ban it from ladder too. It's literally a joke of a card that should be restricted only to non-serious game modes.[/QUOTE] [I]I[/I] agree, but I think that's probably a harder sell There's still people who like him in Standard There is [I]no one[/I] who thinks he belongs in tournaments

what if yogg was [i]truly[/i] random - as in, secrets for your opponent/flamestriking your own board?

[QUOTE=Spacewolf;51073486]Fun, yes. Well designed, no. It arbitrarily decides the fate of a match based on completely random spells going one way or the other.[/QUOTE] It quite consistently wipes the board and draws some cards. Sometimes it does something different, but the vast majority of times its just that. Its a better DOOM thats neutral in a way (which is fine IMO, DOOM sucks). This may be an anecdote, but you can play around Yogg, which I often have to do myself on ladder. The problem with Yogg being everywhere is because Blizzard doesn't print good card draw or boardwipes for every class (for balance reasons, I understand) and the decks that abuse Yogg are less minion reliant, which is a plus. Looking at Magic: The Gathering for parallels I find that Yogg seems to fill in a lot of holes many classes have (like Druid) rather than is just plainly overpowered. [editline]19th September 2016[/editline] In MTG, the larger the format you go into, the less creatures in decks you'll find. And all control decks use boardwipes of some kind. And I think that due to the Bo1 nature of ladder and the lack of a sideboard, building your deck in a way where you can clean up extraneous nonsense that you normally can't outfit your deck to remove is a massive advantage. And the emphasis on card advantage in MTG is honestly above all other factors and the fact that Yogg gives that to classes that don't usually get a lot would also help explain its prevalence.

That's the thing though, wiping the board and drawing some cards is fine, and that's the common result But the not-all-that-uncommon result is that it will also summon some minions, deal some extra damage to it's opponents face, and heal it's player Or even more rarely, screw its player over somehow Clearing the board and drawing some cards is the [I]least[/I] of what it does, and even if only every one in ten games has more bullshit than that it's still too much

That's exactly it. It's essentially a "nothing before this matters anymore" It's stupid.

I kinda wonder if Blizzard is so hesitant to run ban tourneys because it'll reflect badly on ladder/the main game. "By banning these cards in official tourneys you're just acknowledging they're too random, etc etc". I think it's probably the healthiest option for tourneys tho and let's blizzard have their cake and eat it on the whole "fun and casual game w/ competitive espit scene."

[QUOTE=Archimedes;51077028]I kinda wonder if Blizzard is so hesitant to run ban tourneys because it'll reflect badly on ladder/the main game. "By banning these cards in official tourneys you're just acknowledging they're too random, etc etc". I think it's probably the healthiest option for tourneys tho and let's blizzard have their cake and eat it on the whole "fun and casual game w/ competitive espit scene."[/QUOTE] Blizzard's been extremely hands off on balancing in Hearthstone, and it's not working at all.

[QUOTE=Archimedes;51077028]I kinda wonder if Blizzard is so hesitant to run ban tourneys because it'll reflect badly on ladder/the main game. "By banning these cards in official tourneys you're just acknowledging they're too random, etc etc". I think it's probably the healthiest option for tourneys tho and let's blizzard have their cake and eat it on the whole "fun and casual game w/ competitive espit scene."[/QUOTE] All the more reason to implement the bans on ladder too. It'd be really nice if they admitted their mistakes for once, instead of doing nothing and thinking that the meta will adjust itself to fix every single problem.

Honestly, wild is super fun at the moment. Lots of innotative decks, yogg ISN'T in every deck, and a lot of old...deleted decks are fine in it. Echo/value mage ( scarabs, duplicate, echo of medivh), control warlock), mech mage, etc I wish more streamers played wild, so more people tried it. People keep complaining about standard (which is fine), but none of them try wild. A meta with sludge belcher / antique healbots is a gooooood meta. I don't get how blizzard said "lets not add neutral healing/damage mitigation for 2 expansions"

it's a pretty sad state of affairs where the wild format, that is supposed to remove the jank and bullshit of GvG and Naxx, is actually turning out to be more balanced because of the jank and bullshit that exists in standard

[QUOTE=Suttles;51078294]Honestly, wild is super fun at the moment. Lots of innotative decks, yogg ISN'T in every deck, and a lot of old...deleted decks are fine in it. Echo/value mage ( scarabs, duplicate, echo of medivh), control warlock), mech mage, etc I wish more streamers played wild, so more people tried it. People keep complaining about standard (which is fine), but none of them try wild. A meta with sludge belcher / antique healbots is a gooooood meta. I don't get how blizzard said "lets not add neutral healing/damage mitigation for 2 expansions"[/QUOTE] Wild won't make blade flurry usable :(

Wild won't make any Blizzard'ed card useful or even remotely playable.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;51076311]what if yogg was [i]truly[/i] random - as in, secrets for your opponent/flamestriking your own board?[/QUOTE] I like this better, not only random spells but randomize which way they're facing This'll make it less favorable overall for the person playing Yogg and will hopefully discourage more people from running it?

[QUOTE=TrafficMan;51079595]I like this better, not only random spells but randomize which way they're facing This'll make it less favorable overall for the person playing Yogg and will hopefully discourage more people from running it?[/QUOTE] At first I thought this was what Yogg actually was, kinda disappointed when I realized I was wrong.

[QUOTE=Suttles;51078294]Honestly, wild is super fun at the moment. Lots of innotative decks, yogg ISN'T in every deck, and a lot of old...deleted decks are fine in it. Echo/value mage ( scarabs, duplicate, echo of medivh), control warlock), mech mage, etc I wish more streamers played wild, so more people tried it. People keep complaining about standard (which is fine), but none of them try wild. A meta with sludge belcher / antique healbots is a gooooood meta. I don't get how blizzard said "lets not add neutral healing/damage mitigation for 2 expansions"[/QUOTE] I'd play wild, but I don't want to play against Dr. Boom ever again. I know it's pretty silly to avoid playing an entire format because of one card, but I got sooo sick of playing against it.

You'll still see them occasionally, but stuff like Boom isn't as common in Wild as you think - it's also good if you get ladder anxiety too since you can swap between them if you have a bad game

[IMG_thumb]http://imgur.com/Hq0FxCX.jpg[/IMG_thumb] Brann into Barnes into Rag and Gadgetzan Help [editline]20th September 2016[/editline] [IMG_thumb]http://imgur.com/UYuotmS.jpg[/IMG_thumb] Never mind, karma's got my back, Nef into Anyfin against Anyfin Paladin

oh boy a new and exciting tavern brawl

[QUOTE=The Dovahneer;51084559]oh boy a new and exciting tavern brawl[/QUOTE] What will blizzard think of next?? Choose 4 cards to put into your deck?? That would be original and fun to play.

12-1 with shaman [url]http://imgur.com/a/jLSeh[/url]

I got the quest where you have to play versus a friend and get 80gold. I'm on EU and don't have any friends. Can someone help me out? I don't expect to win :P