General Nintendo Discussion V5 - The Future of Nintendo - Games

[url]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-27-nintendo-switch-has-a-6-2-multi-touch-screen[/url] [quote]Last week's slick trailer gave a solid overview of Switch's core mechanics, but Eurogamer has learned about other features which were not shown or talked about. A number of sources, including those who informed me of the Switch's design and detachable controllers back in July, have all confirmed other capabilities which Nintendo is currently keeping quiet. Let's start with the Nintendo Switch's screen. It is 6.2" in size, 720p and - for the first time in any Nintendo device - boasts a capacitive multi-touch screen. (Both 3DS and Wii U featured resistive touchscreens, reliant on pressure and less precise. They were also single-touch only.) As is standard for capacitive devices such as most modern smartphones, Switch's screen is a 10-point multitouch display, meaning multi-finger gestures are supported.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Swiket;51269042][url]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-27-nintendo-switch-has-a-6-2-multi-touch-screen[/url][/QUOTE] A good thing to note, too- 90/95% of wii u games were also 720p, with Smash Bros and others being the exception. Hopefully the "Switch puts out at 1080p on tv" rumor is also true, for games who want to be that good looking.

[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;51268130]this game is coming out around the launch of the switch but was announced for 3ds capcom pls.[/QUOTE] It needs to stay on 3ds so people with Generations (like myself) can transfer their saves. Of course I wouldn't mind it also being released for Switch, and that might still be announced in January when the Switch-focused Nintendo Direct comes out.

[QUOTE=Swiket;51269042][url]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-27-nintendo-switch-has-a-6-2-multi-touch-screen[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]A number of sources, including those who informed me of the Switch's design and detachable controllers back in July, have all confirmed other capabilities which Nintendo is currently keeping quiet.[/quote] So basically just Emily Rogers' old leak, right? Because 6.2" multi-touch 720p is [URL="https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/rumor-what-should-we-expect-from-the-final-nx-product/"]what she posted back in September[/URL]. [B]Not saying it's impossible that this is real[/B]; I just question the sources. Eurogamer's basis for believing their sources is that they were right about "Switch's design and detachable controllers", but that was an easy 'leak' based off that patent from Nintendo which clearly showed the design concept. I'm personally not going to believe a word of info about NS until January. Nintendo barely revealed anything with that trailer, so unfortunately the rumor mill is just going to keep chugging along as usual for the next two months.

Isn't resistive [i]more[/i] precise than capacitive, even if it's only single-touch?

Sort of. A capacitive touch screen would need something like a finger to cause disturbances in an electric field and then estimate the position of the finger from how that change is, while a resistive touch screen would do the same thing except with mechanical pressure. Resistive touch screens are more commonly used with a stylus though, which provide a more precise reading of position since the pressure from a fingernail or a stylus is much more concentrated than that of a soft finger.

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;51268034][t]https://65.media.tumblr.com/07c27e8ae78282d34e32728284c5ada5/tumblr_ofpdfnYYWz1ruxn67o1_1280.png[/t] They weren't kidding when they said MHX isn't getting a G-version. Two new styles, one of which is bomb-related? Two new deviants. Hope you like Diablos. A style for cats apparently. That's all I caught.[/QUOTE] Having an HD Switch version alongside would probably make the Switch sell like hotcakes, I hope it happens. Also please have Shen Gaoren and Yamatsukami

[QUOTE=Jorori;51269826][B]Having an HD Switch version alongside would probably make the Switch sell like hotcakes, I hope it happens.[/B] Also please have Shen Gaoren and Yamatsukami[/QUOTE] If they do such a thing, it won't be for 6 months or a year, and that's for the japanese release, the US release would be like, a year and a half. They'll most likely want to make sure not to interfere with 3DS sales

[QUOTE=Kegan;51269911]If they do such a thing, it won't be for 6 months or a year, and that's for the japanese release, the US release would be like, a year and a half. They'll most likely want to make sure not to interfere with 3DS sales[/QUOTE] This is why I believe the 3DS will have a good 2017, better to squeeze the last drops of players there before moving on to the Switch

[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;51266572]Show me Smash, Nintendo! You know you want to![/QUOTE] If smash 5 was planned to be released later than the nx, I would hope this will be the next double dash.

[video=youtube;s44L27c-5bo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s44L27c-5bo[/video]

[QUOTE=Sift;51267092]Nintendo really is pulling a dreamcast. How absolutely idiotic of them, this new president of theirs is a complete moron.[/QUOTE] Except for the part that their rivals are already released? The thing with the Dreamcast was (iirc) that SEGA intended in Holiday '99 for people to buy the Dreamcast instead of waiting for the PS2 launch in '00. That didn't occur as well as they would have liked. Are you saying that the Switch is in the position of the DC here? The XB1S and PS4 Pro aren't really new consoles, and I don't see much justification for buying especially an XB1S if you already own an XB1. Oh well.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;51271602]Except for the part that their rivals are already released? The thing with the Dreamcast was (iirc) that SEGA intended in Holiday '99 for people to buy the Dreamcast instead of waiting for the PS2 launch in '00. That didn't occur as well as they would have liked. Are you saying that the Switch is in the position of the DC here? The XB1S and PS4 Pro aren't really new consoles, and I don't see much justification for buying especially an XB1S if you already own an XB1. Oh well.[/QUOTE] You realize in this console war, for lack of a better term, Nintendo is completely buried right? Nintendo is seen as a joke, the company that can only produce childish baby games. The xbox is a literal joke with no games to call it's own that you can't just get on your PC yet I've overheard more talk from people wanting to burn their money on that heap of trash then anything Nintendo has going on for em. They aren't really new consoles but they're more appealing right now- so Christmas is going to swing around, moms and dads are going to buy their kids the new consoles or whatever, news on the Switch is going to come out a couple weeks later and the same ol mom and dad are going to go "Why the hell would we get this for lil Timmy, we just got him a ps4 he doesn't need anything else". It's a dumb landmine of a mistake on Nintendos behalf and while I want the console to succeed I'm not going to pretend to be surprised when it most likely tanks.

[QUOTE=Sift;51272141]You realize in this console war, for lack of a better term, Nintendo is completely buried right? Nintendo is seen as a joke, the company that can only produce childish baby games. The xbox is a literal joke with no games to call it's own that you can't just get on your PC yet I've overheard more talk from people wanting to burn their money on that heap of trash then anything Nintendo has going on for em. They aren't really new consoles but they're more appealing right now- so Christmas is going to swing around, moms and dads are going to buy their kids the new consoles or whatever, news on the Switch is going to come out a couple weeks later and the same ol mom and dad are going to go "Why the hell would we get this for lil Timmy, we just got him a ps4 he doesn't need anything else". It's a dumb landmine of a mistake on Nintendos behalf and while I want the console to succeed I'm not going to pretend to be surprised when it most likely tanks.[/QUOTE] I think you're thinking in the wrong headspace- Nintendo clearly isn't advertising to kids with the Switch right now. I forsee the January-March marketing to focus heavily on travelling milennials, much like this concept trailer, as well as hardcore Nintendo fans who were gonna buy the console anyway (like me). Expect a heartwarming superbowl commercial which shows a kid growing up with nintendo consoles and handhelds, until eventually (s)he's holding the Switch on their college campus (possibly with an old father figure who was there the whole time) Then, as the spring and summer months go by, more games and more word of mouth comes out, until we've reached Fall 2017, and Nintendo's next batch of games are ready to be advertised alongside a possibly price cut device (or at least, a ton more bundles). Boom, you've suddenly got a lot more games and press for parents and their kids to listen to, and they get this cheap handheld instead of an upgrade like the PS4Pro or the Scorpio. In the end, the big difference between Sega during the start of the Dreamcast days and Nintendo now is that the Dreamcast was Sega's last hope, while Nintendo will continue to grow and build on what they have (plus hey, the Switch has EA on board, one of the key reasons why Dreamcast lost out). We likely will never see another Dreamcast scenario again, but it'll be interesting if it does happen.

[QUOTE=Sift;51272141]You realize in this console war, for lack of a better term, Nintendo is completely buried right? Nintendo is seen as a joke, the company that can only produce childish baby games. [/QUOTE] you're out of touch i work in an office and every single person was losing their minds over 'how cool' the switch looks, and all these people would have childhood memories of nintendo. people respect nintendo and people look forward to their innovations the only people who feel the way you describe are hardcore xbox fanboys or something. the rest of the population has no modern console bias and they just want cool shit. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] if there's a 'console war' going on, it's only between the devices that basically do all the same things, competing for eachother's userbase. the nintendo isn't in that war. i'd wager people are more likely to own either one of the other two consoles, then an additional nintendo one. xbox and switch, or ps4 and switch. it's just a different thing for the most part. and only morons think nintendo are a joke

Console wars are stupid. Always have been, always will be.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;51272234]you're out of touch i work in an office and every single person was losing their minds over 'how cool' the switch looks, and all these people would have childhood memories of nintendo. people respect nintendo and people look forward to their innovations the only people who feel the way you describe are hardcore xbox fanboys or something. the rest of the population has no modern console bias and they just want cool shit. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] if there's a 'console war' going on, it's only between the devices that basically do all the same things, competing for eachother's userbase. the nintendo isn't in that war. i'd wager people are more likely to own either one of the other two consoles, then an additional nintendo one. xbox and switch, or ps4 and switch. it's just a different thing for the most part. and only morons think nintendo are a joke[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call myself a hardcore xbox fanboy as I've been putting them down literally every step of the way. I also never claimed that "nobody knows about the switch and everybody hated it" or whatever. What I am saying is that interest is going to drop off pretty fast because there's absolutely nothing to talk about on it that hasn't already been run into the ground. This is a objective fact as we only have about 5-6 seconds of gameplay per game. There is a console war going on (once again just talking sales competition) and Nintendo isn't a part of it because they're a joke- literally the same thing you're saying now could be applied to the Wii-U. You could get a PS4 and a Wii-U or a Xbox and a Wii-U and guess what didn't happen. Hell even saying it like that is automatically assuming parents are willing to buy two video game home consoles hyrbid or not for their kid/teen/whoever back to back which not a lot of families do. There's no defending them on this, I'm sorry but as cool as the Switch is it's being handled terribly. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TectoImprov;51272281]Console wars are stupid. Always have been, always will be.[/QUOTE] They're stupid but let's not pretend they aren't all competing in the same market now. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] God I wish I could be blindly optimistic about the Switch like a lot of people. (I'm not saying this as a knock as a aside, I genuinely wish I could just pretend the PS4 isn't the mega juggernaut it is and that missing a holiday season wasn't stupid) I think we'll get great 1st party games as always with it yeah, but I'm worried that after the first initial 3rd party push we're going to get the wii-u act 2 with 3rd parties bailing out again, and while it's nice to say "Well Nintendo games are all that matters!" That's not going to carry the company if it does happen.

[QUOTE=Sift;51272297] What I am saying is that interest is going to drop off pretty fast because there's absolutely nothing to talk about on it that hasn't already been run into the ground. This is a objective fact as we only have about 5-6 seconds of gameplay per game.[/quote] Then once the Direct comes in January, it will be talked about once again. You are acting like they are going cold turkey on the Switch until release. [quote]There is a console war going on (once again just talking sales competition) and Nintendo isn't a part of it because they're a joke-[/quote] No, Nintendo isn't a part of it, because they themselves don't see any reason to. Not because they are a joke, because there is literally no reason for them. Console wars are dumb. Nintendo knows this. [quote]literally the same thing you're saying now could be applied to the Wii-U. You could get a PS4 and a Wii-U or a Xbox and a Wii-U and guess what didn't happen.[/quote] They screwed up the Wii U marketing, they tried to appeal to Casuals and Kids like they did with the Wii, they marketed the Gamepad like it was the actual console. And besides, the people who own a Wii U, also owns another console, or at the very least, PC. I see a lot of PC users that love their Wii U, and it's the only console they own as they just play PC Games. Nintendo is seen as the companion to PC to some people. [quote] Hell even saying it like that is automatically assuming parents are willing to buy two video game home consoles hyrbid or not for their kid/teen/whoever back to back which not a lot of families do.[/quote] Have you seen what parents buy for kids? They buy them iPhones, iPads, PS4, Xbone and so on. Also if families didn't buy more than one console, then explain to me why nearly every kid has their own console, AND a Nintendo 3DS? Why is the Nintendo 3DS doing so well? [quote]They're stupid but let's not pretend they aren't all competing in the same market now.[/quote] But they aren't. Microsoft and Sony market their consoles based on how powerful those consoles are, on the specs, on the graphics. Nintendo bases their marketing on whatever is new with the console, and even then, they mainly market towards Games. They see Games first, Hardware later.[/quote] [quote]God I wish I could be blindly optimistic about the Switch like a lot of people.[/QUOTE] I ain't blindly optimistic. I trust Nintendo, and even then I am not going to buy it until it's closer to release. And I think, just a little hunch I have, I think in general, people are interested in Nintendo games more than the consoles. So even if the Switch does suck, they still have Nintendo games. And so what if people are buying it for the portable side of it? It's good, it shows there is a market towards it, and maybe companies will follow and do the same. That is what happened to both the Wii Motion controls and the Wii U Gamepad (With the Vita and Microsoft Phones on some games)

[QUOTE=Xonax;51272336]Then once the Direct comes in January, it will be talked about once again. You are acting like they are going cold turkey on the Switch until release. [b]Because they are. They're going completely dead silent until after the holiday when people have unboxed and started playing with their shiny new consoles. There's literally no reason for the casual market to hold off. None. 5 seconds of Maybe Mario 64 isn't going to cut it for a lot of people.[/b] No, Nintendo isn't a part of it, because they themselves don't see any reason to. Not because they are a joke, because there is literally no reason for them. Console wars are dumb. Nintendo knows this. [b]They can say "we don't need to be a part of it" all they want, it's why they'll continue to flounder like they have been lately because to a casual eye it's 3 game consoles- which one is the most popular that the kids/teens want? This is such a dumb statement and it reeks of them making it because they knew for a fact that the Wii-U specifically didn't stand a chance against it's competition. It was them admitting that they got clobbered while trying to save face at the same time.[/b] They screwed up the Wii U marketing, they tried to appeal to Casuals and Kids like they did with the Wii, they marketed the Gamepad like it was the actual console. And besides, the people who own a Wii U, also owns another console, or at the very least, PC. I see a lot of PC users that love their Wii U, and it's the only console they own as they just play PC Games. Nintendo is seen as the companion to PC to some people. [b]I can literally say this about the PS4. The way you're saying it you sound like you're trying to tell me the wii-u didn't sell like shit and wasn't a colossal market failure despite how good the games are. I have a huge stack of games sitting next to mine but it doesn't mean it's suddenly a success because me and a few of my friends like it.[/b] Have you seen what parents buy for kids? They buy them iPhones, iPads, PS4, Xbone and so on. Also if families didn't buy more than one console, then explain to me why nearly every kid has their own console, AND a Nintendo 3DS? Why is the Nintendo 3DS doing so well? [b]The 3DS is doing so well because it's a portable console by nintendo that can fit in your pants pocket easily- and even then I don't see nearly as many 3DS's outside then what you're making it sound like. These days I just see phones and ipads everywhere instead. Look up general impressions, almost every reaction video or tweet I saw was "There's no fucking way I'm taking my switch outside" and there's a million good reasons for that.[/b] But they aren't. Microsoft and Sony market their consoles based on how powerful those consoles are, on the specs, on the graphics. [b]Yeah, and their games. I may not have a huge interest in Microsoft but at E3 for the past 2 years you'd be lying to my fucking face if you said Sony wasn't all about games games games all E3. Multiplat or not I don't recall a single mention of graphics on the stages, just trailer after trailer of games.[/b] Nintendo bases their marketing on whatever is new with the console, and even then, they mainly market towards Games. They see Games first, Hardware later. [b]It's a shame we have no games to talk about then other then 5 seconds of footage then I assume. Unless you think hype is going to ride on squid hair alone for the next 2 and a half months.[/b] I ain't blindly optimistic. I trust Nintendo, and even then I am not going to buy it until it's closer to release. And I think, just a little hunch I have, I think in general, people are interested in Nintendo games more than the consoles. So even if the Switch does suck, they still have Nintendo games. [b]Like I said, saying a system can thrive on Nintendo games alone is dumb as hell. Look at the gamecube and wii-u and try saying that again with a straight face. There's a reason people unironically want Nintendo to go 3rd party.[/b] And so what if people are buying it for the portable side of it? [b]A lot of people I see are saying that they're never taking it out of their house fearing it'll be broken, glare of the sun, the fact it's way too fucking huge and would need a case or something cumbersome etc, reasons after reasons. Not saying everyone is against it mind you but I have a strong feeling once the novelty wears off no one is going to care.[/b] It's good, it shows there is a market towards it, and maybe companies will follow and do the same. That is what happened to both the Wii Motion controls and the Wii U Gamepad (With the Vita and Microsoft Phones on some games) [b]I'd rather they follow this then VR though to be fair, but it seems like they're more interested in shitty calibrated games then moving consoles.[/b][/QUOTE] Too lazy to cut it up like you did. Also oops, something messed up when I tried to quote originally.

Comparing this to the fall of the Dreamcast and by extension the Saturn and Sega itself is completely absurd and incomparable. Considering that Sega of Japan, moreso America, completely shot themselves in both feet with both consoles. The US branch president refusing to bring over games that weren't "American" enough for the Saturn and, arguably, sabotaging the Dreamcast before jumping ship to Microsoft for the Xbox. Nintendo, at least Nintendo of America, doesn't seem to be doing that at all. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] In fact they seem to care very much about the software they put out, even if the hardware can strange. Games matter more.

[QUOTE=Sift;51272297]I wouldn't call myself a hardcore xbox fanboy as I've been putting them down literally every step of the way. I also never claimed that "nobody knows about the switch and everybody hated it" or whatever. What I am saying is that interest is going to drop off pretty fast because there's absolutely nothing to talk about on it that hasn't already been run into the ground. This is a objective fact as we only have about 5-6 seconds of gameplay per game. There is a console war going on (once again just talking sales competition) and Nintendo isn't a part of it because they're a joke- literally the same thing you're saying now could be applied to the Wii-U. You could get a PS4 and a Wii-U or a Xbox and a Wii-U and guess what didn't happen. Hell even saying it like that is automatically assuming parents are willing to buy two video game home consoles hyrbid or not for their kid/teen/whoever back to back which not a lot of families do. There's no defending them on this, I'm sorry but as cool as the Switch is it's being handled terribly. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] They're stupid but let's not pretend they aren't all competing in the same market now. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] God I wish I could be blindly optimistic about the Switch like a lot of people. (I'm not saying this as a knock as a aside, I genuinely wish I could just pretend the PS4 isn't the mega juggernaut it is and that missing a holiday season wasn't stupid) I think we'll get great 1st party games as always with it yeah, but I'm worried that after the first initial 3rd party push we're going to get the wii-u act 2 with 3rd parties bailing out again, and while it's nice to say "Well Nintendo games are all that matters!" That's not going to carry the company if it does happen.[/QUOTE] saying people think Nintendo is a joke is pretty fucking crazy. who thinks that? the droves of people who bought wiis? 3ds'? everyone ever has a huge nostaliga and love for the nes and snes? everyone who bought the sold out nes mini? you're just basing everything off the wiiu being a commercial failure. as a company i don't know a single person who doesn't respect and admire nintendo. don't pay attention to online fanboys. the same people who keep saying NINTENDO IS DEAD!!

You dudes keep saying games matter more, and while I agree [i]they didn't show anything off[/i] outside of a few seconds of offscreen gameplay. The trailer was just a bunch of dudes hollywood acting with turned off consoles. Like please, link me to these trailers for the games you seem to have found that I haven't. Then I'll shut up. Like have people already forgotten the last E3 which was nothing but amiibos and almost nothing about games? Where is this even coming from? [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;51272486]saying people think Nintendo is a joke is pretty fucking crazy. who thinks that? the droves of people who bought wiis? 3ds'? everyone ever has a huge nostaliga and love for the nes and snes? everyone who bought the sold out nes mini? you're just basing everything off the wiiu being a commercial failure. as a company i don't know a single person who doesn't respect and admire nintendo. don't pay attention to online fanboys. the same people who keep saying NINTENDO IS DEAD!![/QUOTE] I'm saying Nintendo is a joke because the 3DS is the only thing that's kept their noses above water. Like the wii was a earthshattering success at launch but apparently people don't know about how it fell off super hard once the casual crowd moved on leaving the system for dead outside nothing but shovelware tier games.

[QUOTE=Sift;51272489]You dudes keep saying games matter more, and while I agree [i]they didn't show anything off[/i] outside of a few seconds of offscreen gameplay. The trailer was just a bunch of dudes hollywood acting with turned off consoles. Like please, link me to these trailers for the games you seem to have found that I haven't. Then I'll shut up. Like have people already forgotten the last E3 which was nothing but amiibos and almost nothing about games? Where is this even coming from? [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] I'm saying Nintendo is a joke because the 3DS is the only thing that's kept their noses above water. Like the wii was a earthshattering success at launch but apparently people don't know about how it fell off super hard once the casual crowd moved on leaving the system for dead outside nothing but shovelware tier games.[/QUOTE] it still sold about the same amount as the 360 so by all accounts it was a success, dropoff or not

Can't believe people still think that Nintendo makes "childish" games. The only thing that matters in the end is if the game is fun and Nintendo delivers more than Sony and Microsoft in this regard.

I will bust a load if we get a new F-Zero game on the Switch.

I've been playing snes eshop games on the wii u a lot, and I've noticed that they have slowdown and stuttering issues occasionally. Is this an issue with emulation or were snes games really like that?

[QUOTE=Rusty100;51272234]you're out of touch i work in an office and every single person was losing their minds over 'how cool' the switch looks, and all these people would have childhood memories of nintendo. people respect nintendo and people look forward to their innovations the only people who feel the way you describe are hardcore xbox fanboys or something. the rest of the population has no modern console bias and they just want cool shit.[/QUOTE] I think that the switch is in an interesting position where a ton of people bought and loved the Wii, completely skipped out on or didnt even know about the Wii U, and now are hungry for a new Nintendo console. The nostalgia hype that people have for the Switch is fairly reminiscent of what I saw for Pokemon Go.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;51272747]I think that the switch is in an interesting position where a ton of people bought and loved the Wii, completely skipped out on or didnt even know about the Wii U, and now are hungry for a new Nintendo console. The nostalgia hype that people have for the Switch is fairly reminiscent of what I saw for Pokemon Go.[/QUOTE] The Switch's gimmick is also something that I actually give a damn about. The WiiU seems like it just tried to be a like the PlayStation and Xbox except with a touchscreen on the controller, and that's not something that interests me, especially at a multiple hundred dollar price point.

I feel Sift has a point, Nintendo's taking a pretty big gamble launching this thing in March after the holiday season and most people already having blown their holiday spending loads. There's gonna be two major things that determine how well this launch is gonna go: They're gonna need a strong lineup of launch games, which they should have that with Zelda BoTW and any Wii U ports they can manage. More importantly though is the price of the Switch itself, if it's anything over $300 they're gonna squander this head start they have.

The switch needs to be 300 dollars (or less) and needs to get all the positive press it can get. Once a certain perception of something like a console gets rolling its hard to stop it. If the thing gets framedrops and poor performance it's going to have a hell of a hard time competing.