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Well as they say, the ultimate revenge is to live well. Once Star Citizen has a playable open-world, there will be nothing anyone else can say and it will be quite entertaining watching everyone eat their words.

[QUOTE=krail9;48804588] "Sandi is very jealous. She has to be the queen bee at the company. Whenever I was around her, I felt like I was in the presence of a cobra who, at that moment, might not have been inclined to strike but was completely willing to. You don't get on her bad side,"[/QUOTE] honestly (considering it's exaggeration), if Sandi she's this and also loves blowing shit up and breaking the rules like hopping fences, she's my mind a person I love to work with or for.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48804495]I'm afraid that if someone is talking about Star Citizen and begins a sentence with "DS said..." I am inclined to immediately disbelieve and seek to discredit whatever comes next, because it's tainted beyond recovery.[/QUOTE] even if it's [somehow] totally credible claims, absolutely call out that he's the most biased anti-source and they should find other sources to back up the claim. Explain his position in the fiasco and what (he thinks) he has to gain from getting himself known in the process. That he outright boasts about how he looks for shit to stir up because he legitimately loves to be the troll in the room

I like how they seeming know how much Chris and Sandi get paid. In anywhere I've worked for a living it's practically impossible to casually grab info on how much other employee's are paid unless you happen to be a well placed HR Manager or you flat out ask them. You can also say similiar things about knowing how much cash the company has left. That said if you 'knew' the company didn't have enough money left to do anything you'd be hunting for a new job and cloud imperium would be a losing staff fast. That's not the case however so it all seems a bit weird to me.

Can we start a change.org petition and petition to switch Derek's mouth with his asshole? Because his mouth is a better shit spewer.

I think this is something we can all agree upon, there is confusion with the current ordeal and even though one should always cross their eyes and their Tees, one should really check on everything. Here's the thing, if you've only been looking at stuff highlighted Smart has said about game journals stuff, like during the spj debate. He seems reasonable. So when he says something like he has with cloud imperium, one could believe it. But being a fan (videa gamer) that backed SC, knowing the details, oh hell naw. And the gamer part, read your manual, as in check what the npc says with the devil in the details. Here's the thing, when asked for improvements, they made some, great ones, on a side comment bug smashers, every AAA games needs that shit to give to other programmers. I mean, RSI is not konami, and not valve (some people really wanted to communicate publicly like wingman did and parts of the show that has transformed into after his wake). If there are people under anon giving info to smart, they should distance from him and talk to journalists who can verify their claim. Because if people are using Smark as a gullible person to inject false information, that would be one way to do it. Vent over.

[QUOTE=Chris Roberts]I know it’s what Derek Smart loves to say but he couldn’t make a good game with $200m so I don’t think his opinion matters.[/QUOTE] :godzing:

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48804495]Seven posts down from the last time you posted here:[/QUOTE] Welp, boy do I feel dumb, somehow I scrolled through that link and didn't realize it had a fix in there :boxhide:

calling a singed kettle having the blackest of black stain coming from a person working for a news source that is commonly accepted as the blackest of black kettles. [quote]Yeah, we've been [i]hearing from and talking to various current and former employees[/i] at CIG for a while now. I've spent a ton of time editing and working with others on the team and we've published a couple of things so far. [i]Part of our job is to determine what's relevant, concrete information that's actually worth reporting and what's [b]just gossip from employees who are angry for one reason or another.[/b][/i] FWIW, this is one of the most disgusting pieces of reporting I've ever seen, and I'm legit shocked that any professional website would publish something like "It was also claimed that Gardiner used race as a determining factor in selecting employees, allegedly once saying 'We aren't hiring her. We aren't hiring a black girl'" without crystal-clear sourcing and evidence (and without giving the person in question a chance to defend herself). What's really ironic is that the Escapist article's author is a huge figure of GamerGate, a movement about ethics in journalism.[/quote] so, there are people not just talking to Smart's ear saying this stuff. Now if Smart was professed antigamer, shit wouldn't be under the microscope from a kotaku writer. I think kotaku needs to remember the "as a black woman driving in gta help me drive irl" false stories.

As someone who donated $125 on the original kickstarter campaign and got the golden ticket thinger and hasn't really looked at this in the three years (only come up again because of this article): Roberts comes off as extremely paranoid. How long before he looks for zippers on Sandi trying to find "Derek Smart" underneath (who from what I can tell tried to sue like 20 years ago and then disappeared - how exactly would he have this much clout now?). Its also kind of disturbing to see a lot of people outright defending Roberts and also looking for this Derek "Boogeyman" Smart ([URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization"]post-purchase rationalization anyone[/URL]?). Even if that article is a complete fabrication you can kind of tell there's at least been mismanagement with this game since its been 3 years and literally every original time table is gone. Also I question how people can charge $15,000 for a digital space ship that may not be out for years and not feel any guilt. It isn't exactly a good article but Roberts' replies just strike me as very bizarre. It reminds me of the indie devs that fight jimquisition or total biscuit. Except he's successful and not some random con man turned indie dev. Also I think the weirdest thing is him posting this on the official website and not on some blog of his or something.

Every original timetable is gone because the scope of the game has increased several times in the span of the three years you haven't been paying attention to it. And, $15,000 does not buy you a digital spaceship; it buys you two of [I]every[/I] spaceship available for pledge except the Javelin (a giant fucking destroyer that, for balance reasons, was limited to 200 sales at $2,500 each), and it's only there for people who really want to contribute fuckbuckets into the game. There's no reason to go to that tier of package unless you really, really want to. And, with those very high tiers of contribution, you don't get a 1:1 cash-to-ship value, but there are other, more intangible benefits (for a time, you could have a personal conversation with Chris Roberts for an hour or something, or visit the studios for a day as a VIP, etc.).

there's no reason to go to ANY tier of donation above $60 because that's what the game's gonna cost you at launch, and 'buying ships' is going to be removed before the game comes out. You donate, you get a kickstarter-like reward of a ship with some relative value compared to other donations. Big money? Rarer ship. Grats, you're probably gonna use a starter for a long time before you can afford to fill the tank on the bugger. Getting the cheapo packages right now is basically a pre-order below launch price; you save money and get more choice on what nice little starter ship you have. [QUOTE=thrawn2787;48806699]It isn't exactly a good article but Roberts' replies0 just strike me as very bizarre.[/QUOTE] they wrote an article that mirrors derek's outlandish accusations near word for word at times, but claimed they were by no means just reflecting opinions from derek. They gave him a tiny window of time to respond in an evening and he stayed up pretty late writing that, and beyond that published the article 3 hours after he emailed back saying he didn't comment (only to excuse that by saying he replied to the wrong person) maybe he's [i]a little[/i] flustered that gamer news sites are all jumping on the controversy train at his expense, especially when it got to the point people were flat out doxxing his personal life on twitter several segments are clearly him getting mad and taking shit personally, definitely got too defensive and reactive on some points and people are going to latch ont the stressed snaps like he's "paranoid" people are onto him or something. If you want to call derek's motive to troll, this was a small victory for him

It doesn't matter what that 15000 buys you. That much you should be getting a literal return in that investment. It's pretty sickening. Again my opinion was from an outside perspective. I haven't had any star citizen or Derek smart cool aid. Roberts rant seemed pretty nuts even if that article is a load of shit. Also is it really doxing if its public information? That info on his wife and daughter looks like public info tho I could be wrong since I'm not on Facebook so I don't know if it should be accessible

Imagine someone in heated passing said Sandi is Chris's wifefu and it was taken as wife then passed around out of context.

Not to mention this entire thing is just he said she said at this point. No real proof on either side. Not that I feel Roberts needs to refute these with evidence but the scope of that rant is quite large. Should've kept it shorter. And left out the personal attacks. That's another thing that makes this feel wrong is he's making it really personal and unprofessional.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;48807212]It doesn't matter what that 15000 buys you. That much you should be getting a literal return in that investment. It's pretty sickening. Again my opinion was from an outside perspective. I haven't had any star citizen or Derek smart cool aid. Roberts rant seemed pretty nuts even if that article is a load of shit. Also is it really doxing if its public information? That info on his wife and daughter looks like public info tho I could be wrong since I'm not on Facebook so I don't know if it should be accessible[/QUOTE] donating 15k to any game development ever won't get you a return on your investment unless you're a big company paying for product placement and big names in credits. At that point you're slinging money around because you believe in a thing and/or are stupid rich with literally no other hobbies -also I'm totally agreeing on his letter being an unprofessional rant, but given they cornered him into a late night of trying to refute shit he's spent months now putting out all the info that refutes it, I can't say I'm not surprised he was in that state [quote]No real proof on either side[/quote] I can't even begin to tell you how much information CIG puts out on a constant basis not sure if you saw the posts from earlier, but the account records show derek pledged a bit of money, never installed the game, unsubscribed from the newsletter, and did all but nothing for 2 years until he showed up this summer shouting at the top of his blog lungs about how it's all a sham and evil money making scheme and they're taking too long and aren't going to deliver the original product and you should all demand refunds and give me a refund! (then he intentionally gave them a wrong address for his refund check so he could whine about how they said they'd do it but never delivered on that promise either, and it took a legal threat to get him to take the damn check and cash it). The entire point of his article was to bash the big thing with all the insecurities people had about the project, like the money just getting embezzled or it just failing and never releasing because they're taking 'too long', despite this being like 2/5 through the average dev cycle of something its size. Shit's ambitious and going to take a while, you signed the papers knowing there's a lot to do yet. dude's a self-inserted thorn in the entire community's side and actively draining away money that you and I and everyone else intended to go directly into [i]making the game[/i], not paying lawyers to play phone tag with a [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7n29gEV18w]legit failure of a game developer[/url] who (you might recall in the reply message) has spent [i]decades[/i] now, trying to jam a stick in roberts's spokes

Derek Smart brings shame to the smart car name.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;48806699]As someone who donated $125 on the original kickstarter campaign and got the golden ticket thinger and hasn't really looked at this in the three years (only come up again because of this article): Roberts comes off as extremely paranoid. How long before he looks for zippers on Sandi trying to find "Derek Smart" underneath (who from what I can tell tried to sue like 20 years ago and then disappeared - how exactly would he have this much clout now?). Its also kind of disturbing to see a lot of people outright defending Roberts and also looking for this Derek "Boogeyman" Smart ([URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization"]post-purchase rationalization anyone[/URL]?). Even if that article is a complete fabrication you can kind of tell there's at least been mismanagement with this game since its been 3 years and literally every original time table is gone. Also I question how people can charge $15,000 for a digital space ship that may not be out for years and not feel any guilt. It isn't exactly a good article but Roberts' replies just strike me as very bizarre. It reminds me of the indie devs that fight jimquisition or total biscuit. Except he's successful and not some random con man turned indie dev. Also I think the weirdest thing is him posting this on the official website and not on some blog of his or something.[/QUOTE] do you not realise the stupidity of making these amazing deductions after not looking at this in three years therefore having no idea what you're talking about? I mean wow, when was the last time we had one of these dumb '$15000 for a fake ship!!!!' or 'they said 2014 release!' arguments in this thread? I think even the biggest anti-star citizen nerds have the idea of optional higher donations and increased scope hammered through their heads by now so yes, you missed the context of the weeks of derek smart fuelled shitty journalism, and obviously he does have clout since he is the biggest driving force behind every one of these terrible articles

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;48807260]Not to mention this entire thing is just he said she said at this point. No real proof on either side. Not that I feel Roberts needs to refute these with evidence but the scope of that rant is quite large. Should've kept it shorter. And left out the personal attacks. That's another thing that makes this feel wrong is he's making it really personal and unprofessional.[/QUOTE] You should really look at some of the things Smart has said over the past few months. It's mostly just wrong information, personal attacks for no reason and threats. He's doing it just to cause trouble and for some reason people are believing him, even though what he says makes no sense and there is no evidence. He's someone who has this quote on his own wikipedia page: [quote]Sometimes when I get online, and it's quiet, and I see something that attracts my attention, I'll post just to piss these guys off. That's why I do it. Because I'm in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start trouble.[/quote] What he's said recently is far, far worse than what was said in that response. It's understandable that after months of these baseless accusations, Chris has had enough. The things been said about him and the game that caused this in the first place are even more personal and unprofessional, but you aren't saying anything about those. Chris isn't the one who made it personal.

[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n6lum/escapist_anonymous_sources_uncovered/"]Apparently the Escapist's anonymous sources are, get this, Glassdoor posts.[/URL] Glassdoor allows anonymous, unverified submissions by anyone. [t]https://i.imgur.com/HSO7EKy.jpg[/t] This seriously looks written by DS, starting with the fact that ONLY DS claims that Star Citizen rightfully should be counted as starting in 2011 when Chris and his very very very small team began coding up the tech demo for the reveal (which had basically zero usable assets for the actual game except for basic Hornet and Scythe models and the shell of the Bengal), and the "employee" claims to have worked for CIG for "over three years". The Escapist's rebuttal to the allegations is that everyone they interviewed was vetted by legal and contact occurred directly before the cited Glassdoor posts were made; even though some things are quoted almost word for word from the Glassdoor posts. If DS is trying to leverage gamergate against SC here, that's kind of sickening. [t]https://i.imgur.com/gJx2PMO.png[/t] DS tips his hand early: He wants CIG to be pinned down and forced into an audit out of spite and malice in hopes that it will create a crisis in confidence in the game and cause it to fail. You can tell because all he's been saying for the past four months is "Star Citizen is a scam" and "demand refunds while you can" -- and then when he was given a refund he intentionally gave the wrong address. I don't think DS can be said to be acting in good faith when he's pulling baby stunts like that. [QUOTE=Derek Smart, August 7, 2015]Chris, in your case however, [B]I made the exception because you’re a lying, fraudulent, egotistical, asshole[/B] who doesn’t care about the people around you, despite the public face you portray to the gullible cult fools who lap up your lies, hypocrisy and deceit. If you cared one bit about the lives you’re about to disrupt, the families you’re about to uproot, when this project fails – as most of us suspect that it will – you would make better choices.[/QUOTE] Who made it personal, now? Also, [URL="https://archive.is/7FEmw"]in DS's mind, this is how Star Citizen compares to his game, LoD.[/URL] [URL="http://steamcharts.com/app/266620"]LoD's Steam player stats paint a different picture.[/URL] And if that's not enough for you, turn on subtitles (it's in German) and watch this: [video=youtube;t7n29gEV18w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7n29gEV18w[/video] [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3i7zsh/for_those_thinking_about_getting_a_refund/"]He also makes a habit of trolling the subreddit with pretty transparent alts.[/URL] DS watched the technology-proving Gamescom demo (linked on the last page) and had this to say in the same August 7th blog post in which he calls CR a fraudulent lying asshole: [QUOTE]UPDATE: Shortly after this post went live, Star Citizen was being demoed at gamescom via live TwitchTV stream. It completely solidified my opinion that this project is not only in trouble, but is never going to be completed as pitched. Pretty much what I said in my original blog back on July 4th weekend. They were touting large near-barren 8 billion km space [B](which is a postage stamp compared to my game worlds btw)[/B] scene, [B]one[/B] multi-crew ship (which we did back in the 2000s, [B]and which has been working in my latest game for almost two years now[/B]) with clunky (ok – it’s alpha, [B]I get that[/B]) controls – and not much else worthy of note. And even with local networking, and less than eight players, the networking issues were very evident. Nothing tangible on the once delayed/[B]canceled[/B] Star Marine, nothing to show on Squadron 42. But oh, there’s a social module [B]which is a great conduit to sell you more crap[/B]. $85m+ and [B]four[/B] years later. No “game”. And he’s claiming to be making a game that’s supposedly “substantially better” than mine?[/QUOTE] I've bolded DS's lies/misrepresentations/inaccuracies for convenience. Also, here's Scott Manley attempting to play his previous magnum opus, Universal Combat. [video=youtube;SJXBn4TJb2g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJXBn4TJb2g[/video] [URL="http://www.gamersnexus.net/gg/2119-chris-roberts-on-star-citizen-network-and-render-pipelines"]But hey, actual content relating to the game, guys.[/URL] And, just like the Gamescom demo (despite JARED JARED JARED), the CitizenCon demo should be a huge mic drop on the naysayers. [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n4mwf/confirmed_squadron_42_cast_to_be_revealed_at/"]The SQ42 celebrity cast is to be revealed at Citcon[/URL] - in [I]one week[/I]. Speaking of Jared aka Disco Lando, [URL="https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/5678014/#Comment_5678014"]he posted about what it's like working for CIG[/URL].

on that reddit post, the guy points out the journalist who wrote the recent article made a similar one september 25th (but it didn't get much exposure), then suddenly a fistful of 1 star reviews on glassdoor all show up parroting the same things between that date and the 28th, when prior to that reviews were months apart. SOMEHOW it turns out those are the anonymous sources. NICEEEEEE [editline]e[/editline] [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n59ft/working_at_cig_from_a_cig_employee/]a current CIG employee gives his take on the recent claims about shitty work environment/people/etc[/url]

The legal part on the escapest does make me curious On author profiling, don't jump the guns yet to blam DS, he could be being played by the same person or people playing escapist. Also DS is trying to leverage gamergate against SC whitetail, just to what end. What it seems like is a troll, where they are making fake statements only people who spend time (sometimes hours upon hours) mixed in some truths and the lie seems plausible to some selected real information. Then extending the game by knowing or getting lucky through the other placed fact checking which may or maynot be good. If I were working under a publication, I would call up glassdoor on their policy and ask if the posts came from certain someones (DS being one of them, but could be circumvented). Honestly, with the repetition with how GG has be going thoough over a year, it's to distract from other events such as the UN and a pedo saying he was edgy. [b]edit[/b] well then [url]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/14727-The-Escapist-Explains-Its-Star-Citizen-Sources-Vetting-and-Respo[/url] [quote] Because our story on Star Citizen yesterday caused quite a bit of controversy and raised questions from the community, we will add more details on our sources without revealing them. After our original story on Star Citizen by Lizzy Finnegan, she was contacted by seven ex-employees and two current employees about their experiences at Cloud Imperium Games. She exchanged emails with all of them, but then spoke with all of them via phone and Skype. Six gave their real names, while the seventh did not use his real name, but did show pay stubs and a Cloud Imperium Games ID with the name blacked out. Two others who identified themselves as current employees contacted the writer via Lockbin, but we could not verify their identities so did not quote them. Their responses reiterated claims by the other seven, however. Lockbin disposes of messages after 24 hours, another reason the comments were not used. Of the seven former employees used for the story, more than half said they quit CIG of their own accord. Here are the exact details of our interactions with our sources: Using the source designations from our story, three sources (CS1, CS4, CS5) initially contacted Lizzy via separate phone calls on Sept. 26 with information they wanted to share after seeing the initial story about CIG on The Escapist. They got her number via a mutual contact. No emails were exchanged. The sources and writer agreed to chat in-depth at a later time. Four other sources (CS2, CS3, CS6, CS7) initially contacted Lizzy via email on or before Sept. 27 The emails, numbering 32 from these four individuals, were forwarded to our EiC and Publisher, who passed that info by our legal department. It was cleared and we pursued individual personal contacts beginning the following day. The two emails (CS8-CS9) from current employees came into Lockbin on Sept. 27. in the early morning. Lizzy exchanged at least 5-6 emails each with these sources, but they did not disclose their identity. When it came time for followup, three sources (CS1, CS4, CS5) were contacted via phone by Lizzy on Sept. 26. One call started at 5 p.m. and lasted for an hour and 15 minutes. A second was at 6:45 p.m. and lasted for 45 minutes. The final call was at 9 p.m. for an hour an 8 minutes. All three were contacted via Skype as well to verify visual identity. Three more sources (CS2, CS6, CS7) were contacted on Sept. 27. One call started at 9 a.m. for 30 minutes and was Skype only. This was the caller who did not give his name, but verified employment with ID and pay stubs. Call #2 was at 2 p.m. for an hour and 52 minutes, while call number 3 was at 5 p.m. for an hour and one minute. Again, all callers were visually verified after the phone call via Skype. The last call (CS3) was on Sept. 28 at 7 p.m. for 50 minutes, again visually verified on Skype. All sources via Skype had their pictures compared to their LinkedIn profiles or other images of them on the web to verify identities. Chris Roberts' response to me was at 9:10 a.m. almost three hours before publication time. Unfortunately, the response ended up in my spam folder, as it came in unformated and the pictures did not load. Since Roberts did not copy Lizzy or the Editor-in-Chief, who were on my original email to CIG PR head David Swofford, they did not get them and there was no back up to ensure someone saw it. Swofford emailed me at 12:40 - after I had sent him a link to the story - asking if I had received Roberts' response. It was then that I checked my spam folder, found the response and forwarded it to Lizzy to integrate into our story, minus any personal attacks on the sources. I called Swofford at 1:02 p.m. to personally apologize for the oversight and let him know how we would be using the response in the story. Roberts' entire response on the official site showed up roughly 10-15 minutes before we updated our story on the site. To be clear on further allegations: None of our sources were Derek Smart and we did not get our information from Glassdoor. However, we do know that a couple sources did post on Glassdoor after talking to Lizzy. We know the pitfalls of using anonymous sources. A major tenet of journalism to to verify your sources and get them on the record. Unfortunately, because of job security, threats, or whistleblower ramifications, providing the identity of a source is not always possible. According to the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics, it is our job to seek the truth, but also minimize harm. Video evidence was sent by a source, but was not used because we felt it was ambiguous and could not be properly verified. If and when we get verifiable documentation to support the allegations, that will be published. Ideally, if you can get two people on the record saying the same thing, or at least three anonymous people saying the same thing, then the information is good to run. We got our information from nine independent sources talking about the working conditions at Cloud Imperium and their take on the status of Star Citizen, and all were properly vetted. We also gave CIG 24 hours to reply to the various topics addressed, longer than usual since we knew Roberts was currently in the U.K. When we integrated Roberts' comments, we made sure he addressed the specific points raised, as well as gave him the final word in the article. If factual errors exist in our report, we will happily retract and correct. But as it stands, the report presented two sides, the allegations and observations of former and current employees and the response to them from Chris Roberts for CIG. We understand that former employees may have an axe to grind, hence the need to get several of them to say the same thing. We also understand that there will be people who are happy with CIG and enjoy their employment. Our job was to present both sides and let you, the reader, make your own determination. We do plan on taking Chris Roberts up on his offer to tour the various CIG studios and talk to current employees about the development of Star Citizen. We will be setting that up soon. - John Keefer Managing Editor The Escapist[/quote]

in the meantime, you can apparently watch the whole wing commander cartoon on youtube [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCWZiEBJpt0[/media]

[QUOTE]To be clear on further allegations: None of our sources were Derek Smart and we did not get our information from Glassdoor. However, we do know that a couple sources did post on Glassdoor after talking to Lizzy.[/QUOTE] Those Glassdoor posts just don't seem to match anything we know about CIG, except that there [I]is[/I] a firm standard of quality in the office. Feels like the former employees are just throwing sour grapes around, and also, wait, wait, wait, I just saw this [QUOTE]Three more sources (CS2, CS6, CS7) were contacted on Sept. 27. One call started at 9 a.m. for 30 minutes and was Skype only. [B]This was the caller who did not give his name, but verified employment with ID and pay stubs.[/B][/QUOTE] The Escapist, what fools do you think we are. How in the fuck do you not know someone's name but accept their pay stubs and employment ID, WHICH SHOULD DISPLAY THEIR FUCKING NAME, as evidence that they're legit? I can't believe this. To quote CR, this is bullshit.

ok right, the legit anonymous sources spoke to her on the phone, THEN recounted what they said to her [I]word-for-word[/I] onto a glassdoor review. I'm sort of surprised that the escapist is sticking to their guns here, it's so obviously fraudulent it now puts their whole site 'in on it' instead of just blaming the journalist [editline]3rd October 2015[/editline] also lol @ the spam folder excuse, that's a classic

[QUOTE=krail9;48812720]ok right, the legit anonymous sources spoke to her on the phone, THEN recounted what they said to her [I]word-for-word[/I] onto a glassdoor review. I'm sort of surprised that the escapist is sticking to their guns here, it's so obviously fraudulent it now puts their whole site 'in on it' instead of just blaming the journalist [editline]3rd October 2015[/editline] also lol @ the spam folder excuse, that's a classic[/QUOTE] the skype could be follow up if I'm reading correctly. Also spam folders do happen, happened once to me. However, still I would like to know how 9 people were made contact with.

[QUOTE=krail9;48812720]I'm sort of surprised that the escapist is sticking to their guns here, it's so obviously fraudulent it now puts their whole site 'in on it' instead of just blaming the journalist[/QUOTE] To be fair, it's sort of the editor's job to stick up for their writers when something controversial is published, if the editor believes the writer was acting in good faith. Who would want to work at a place where you will be thrown under the bus by your bosses at the first sign of conflict? I think the Escapist thinks it's doing the right thing, even when it's manifestly not.

I was really confused as to what an outfit mate was telling me on mumble that CIG sacked an office when I brought up offering a mustang to another who was interested. It's pretty scummy for the escapist to publish hearsay and honestly I'm happy I didn't renew my sub. also to add to this an Ex-investigative journalist commented on [URL="https://as.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n6lum/escapist_anonymous_sources_uncovered/cvlw1qx"]reddit[/URL] and this part mainly stood out to me. [QUOTE]Legal gets involved for one reason: sources that aren't in-person, and aren't verifiable. Let me be clear: legal doesn't get involved in editorial decisions of publications, and doesn't vet sources for writers. That's not their job. If legal was involved, it's because the author had no contact with the sources that could allow for independent confirmation, and wanted to know if they could be sued. Legal is involved because they're not able to confirm or reveal the source(s), and are purely attempting to see if it's sketchy enough to be seen as "malicious" to print, were a libel suit to be filed.[/QUOTE] [editline]3rd October 2015[/editline] Also I'm thinking of swapping out of my avenger to something else, is there any more info on the variants?

It's pretty interesting, SC fans are saying escapist is a piece of shit, while people liking the escapist are agreeing with escapist. About the ex-investigative journalist comment, method in obtaining info was said to follow spj rules of conduct, now if it wasn't good enough, let's say this is a collection of trolls to make escapist look bad (even when a better protocol was established then in the past in games journalism), and shit on cloud imperium and it's fans, mission accomplished.

This whole thing is ridiculous. Has CIG or Chris done anything to really deserve this? It kinda makes me regret being a gamer and space sim fan. We just can't have a fun game anymore without people throwing tantrums all over the web. If the game does fail, I plan to simply move on and wait for the next space game.