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[QUOTE=dai;48833541]I still find it hilarious that CIG's "when it's fucking ready" mantra gets so much backlash, when a terrible amount of AAA games get mocked into the dirt for releasing buggy broken garbage (thanks to strict publisher holiday oriented deadlines) with future patches and/or paid DLC blatantly being core content they couldn't fit in on time [/QUOTE] I don't believe the "When it's ready" mantra really works for them because even when they delay shit it's still a buggy mess. They released the DFM 6(?) months late and it was still borderline unplayable for at least a month, and it's still a hot mess because every time I launch it I encounter some sort of game-breaking bug like my ship derendering and geometry stretching out to infinity.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48833267]Another overlooked factor that makes the whole Escapist drama, which was almost certainly masterminded by shithead whether or not the writer or editor knew, even more upsetting to SC supporters: the article was timed to hit right at the start of the Endeavor concept sale and the runup to the biggest event of CIG's year. It was intended to hurt sales of the concept. Predicting that the project will fail is less impressive if you're actively trying to sabotage it. [/QUOTE] It wasn't masterminded by any shithead, whoever that could mean, the article was published after giving Roberts 24 hours to respond to the article. They verified their sources, threw away sources that couldn't be verified and worded the article in such a way that doesn't make the abusive allegations as fact but rather implicate that something could occur. Not only this but all of the sources were independent of one another and told the same story. Take that as you will but acting like somehow they didn't follow SPJ guidelines(hint: they did) doesn't meant what they've found is true or not but does leave creedance. Followed by Mr. Roberts's response of basically fabricating a massive conspiracy theory about Derek Smart and Lizzy using Gamergate(neither are a part of GG; Derek is anti actually and Liz left) instead of challenging the actual accusations not only comes off as unprofessional but attempting to deflect like any savy businessman or politician would when they get caught red handed. I also know that employees currently working at the company have posted on, of all things the Star Citizen reddit to dispute these claims, but several of the sources were actually current employees as well. To be honest, industry precedent doesn't paint a good picture for working conditions at developers. Team Bondai after the release of LA Noire was shut down because of just how abusive the lead devs were. EA, Ubisoft and Activision also have abusive workplace allegations against them as well. Then there's Japanese developers like Konami. So before you fall over yourselves to defend a game you care about; at least do a bit more research and keep up with controversies.

[QUOTE=Bradyns;48833567]Anyone care to summarize this whole escapist thing, I am trying to sift through the info on SC's subreddit, but there's information all over the shop. It doesn't have to be essay length, just a sentence or two.[/QUOTE] Escapist wrote a mean article directed at CIG based on dubious sources, and CIG responded with ironically Derek Smart-like pompousness and threats of lawsuits. The whole thing is really stupid and I recommend you not care about it at all considering it has no effect on the game itself. The Citizencon presentation is right around the corner so hopefully we can get back to talking about something interesting again very soon.

[QUOTE=dai;48833541]as far as I'm aware they're only holding back the FPS beta this past few months partly due to netcode problems akin to BF4 at launch. Looks like they're keeping non-programmers busy on modeling armor and weapons to add onto it alongside the technical mosh[/QUOTE] The fps is being held back for netcode and fps-specific bugs, like aim not recentering - kind of critical for aiming. Basically, they could release it to us right now, but everyone remembers how angry the backer community got at CIG after the shitty experience of AC1.0 being released broken just before Christmas holidays, and this includes CIG and they really don't want to do that to us a second time. [QUOTE=Bradyns;48833567]Anyone care to summarize this whole escapist thing, I am trying to sift through the info on SC's subreddit, but there's information all over the shop. It doesn't have to be essay length, just a sentence or two.[/QUOTE] The Escapist reprints DS's lies as fact (including hearsay-based allegations of massive federal discrimination law violations, which can cause very real damage to the future of the project), Chris writes an angry rant at 4am because he's finally lost his patience with this bullshit, The Escapist sticks to their guns, and CIG is going to sue them for libel if they don't retract their story. The anonymous sources shopped the story to several gaming sites (who all rejected it for being too sketchy with no hard evidence at all) before finding their patsy with an Escapist freelancer who seems to think generic RFID keycards are employee ID badges and proof of employment (despite admitting that the webcam video was too blurry to make out any details--this tweet chain has since been deleted). If The Escapist wasn't in on the plan to smear CIG, they've been completely played. They have until end of day Monday to retract the story and publish an apology (as well as appoint an independent investigator to dig up what happened) or else CIG is going to hand the situation over to the two outside law firms in the US and UK to begin libel proceedings against the Escapist in both jurisdictions. If anything's happened since yesterday afternoon, I'm not up to date on the latest. [editline]5th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;48833642]So before you fall over yourselves to defend a game you care about; [B]at least do a bit more research and keep up with controversies.[/B][/QUOTE] Welcome to the SC megathread, please do the same. And I say "shithead" to refer to Derek Smart, PhD (P.S. he lied about having two PhDs for years in the 2000s before admitting they came from a diploma mill, and there have been allegations of him screwing over employees and not paying them for work done). DS has been waging a smear PR campaign against Star Citizen since June (and even before that; he tweeted that SC was a scam in January 2014), and he is a proud troll; his Wikipedia article contains a quote from him about how he gets his kicks going online and starting shit. The Glassdoor posts are anonymous, unverified, and carry all of the hallmarks of DS's pet FUD about SC. Plus, don't you think it's coincidental that several of Lizzy's sources contacted her unsolicited at her unadvertised phone number all at the same time? And that this story was shopped around to multiple places and rejected for lacking hard evidence? Why now? Why a week before the largest SC event of the year and on the same day as a ship concept sale? Whether The Escapist themselves are cuplable, it's pretty clear that they were contacted by people with an agenda. And I'll say it again: There is no connection to Gamergate except that DS has inserted himself into it for personal armying purposes. DS has claimed to be neutral while trying to court the pro- side, and if he now claims to be anti-GG it's because the pro- side told him to fuck off and he needs minions to do his bidding.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48833772] Whether The Escapist themselves are cuplable, it's pretty clear that they were contacted by people with an agenda.[/QUOTE] Liz outright said in a follow up article that they didn't go near Derek Smart because of his bias against Roberts. Also, any libel case in the US is going to fail because Roberts will have to outright prove that The Escapist did this on purpose to cause malice and the bar for that kind of evidence is insanely high. He has no case in the United States. Plus, the only reason they could even start a case is because during a podcast they made a few statements that removed the 'alleged' portions from it. And its pretty clear you don't understand journalism; because the vetting process is meant to remove that kind of biased sourcing from it. Further, because they're anonymous they're untrustworthy? Please tell me whose benefited from whisteblowing. Snowden is stuck in Russia. Assange just a few months ago finally had the rape charges dropped. No on benefits, especially if you wanna stay in the career you're in, from plastering your name on it.

[QUOTE=Swilly;48833882]Liz outright said in a follow up article that they didn't go near Derek Smart because of his bias against Roberts.[/QUOTE] from your POV as someone who seems to be pretty up to snuff on gamergate junk, what part of "The article writer says they didn't do a thing wrong when faced with a controversy that smells of the thing" seems to have your vote over "anonymous (protected or legit anon) source who claims to work for cig shows an ID that doesn't exist as proof and also says a lot of things we've heard before" like legitimately I'm way too disconnected from GG to really make judgements on what is or is not worth noting, but that whole 'ethics in jornalism' thing kind of stands out to me. Being technically allowed to do something (timelines and how you vet sources or whatever) by extents of the law doesn't really factor into the ethics of why you posted something and what you have to gain, does it? Ragging on SC seems to be a huge hot topic that gets a shit ton of views, especially from backers who don't pay much attention and are quick to get worried and may dig around for more of X site's opinions if they found info there. The timing is pretty weighted given the annual conference is just days away, which will likely have a ton of new info and projected deadlines on things we've been keeping an eye out for. It's entirely built around generating hype and drawing in more potential backers, and everybody who vaguely pays attention to SC will be soaking up news around it in the upcoming weeks thinly veiled alts is one of smart's (rather consistent) pastimes in the reddit, it's pretty easy to say it's [i]within the realm of possibility[/i] he legitimately wrote posts under false names or pulled strings to wrangle up a disgruntled (ex) employee to write something to get back at CIG for firing them (lord knows any company with more than a fistful of employees goes through bad apples over several years that'd love to shittalk after they feel wronged), then throw anonymous tips around to everyone he could in hopes someone latched onto sources that don't include his name. Simply not pulling anything directly from his blog is enough plausible deniability for escapist to say they couldn't have known, that's fair and I don't think there's much CIG can do other than puff out their chest and make it known they're ready to hit hard if someone knowingly fucks around with info I know I'm invested in the development and therefore ~have bias~ but I'm not sure how this whole situation [i]doesn't[/i] ring alarms

I was gone for two weeks what the [B]FUCK [/B]happened here who the [B]FUCK [/B]is lizzy and why the [B]FUCK [/B]is cig sueing someone

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;48834917]I was gone for two weeks what the [B]FUCK [/B]happened here who the [B]FUCK [/B]is lizzy and why the [B]FUCK [/B]is cig sueing someone[/QUOTE] Come back in another two weeks, it will be like nothing happened.

[QUOTE=Swilly;48833882]Liz outright said in a follow up article that they didn't go near Derek Smart because of his bias against Roberts.[/QUOTE] According to Ortwin's letter (Ortwin is a co-founder of CIG and is a veteran entertainment lawyer), Derek Smart sent him a gloating email, gleefully crowing that ex-employees "were talking" mere hours before the Escapist's piece went up. This, most of all, is the smoking gun if it's true. This is why I assert that DS pulled the strings on The Escapist whether Lizzy knew he was behind the sources or not. The Glassdoor posts also contain some very queer irregularities that you'd already know about if you followed this thread longer than it took you to hop in here and tell me why I'm wrong. Starting with the fact that Glassdoor posts appeared with extreme infrequency up until the interval of time between Lizzy's sources [I]contacting her unsolicited on an unadvertised number[/I] and the publication of the second story -- Derek Smart somehow knew these Glassdoor posts were made, AND that "former employees" were talking shit to media, before Lizzy's second story went up. I say "former employees" in air quotes because Lizzy states she verified identities by comparing LinkedIn profiles and the faces she saw on Skype video. Anyone can make a fake LinkedIn profile and claim to be a CIG employee. She accepted a generic, blank RFID card as an employee badge. One of the Glassdoor posts claims to be from a current employee of "more than 3 years", which means they could only be from Chris Roberts' original hand-picked team that worked in stealth on the big GDC reveal that kicked off the whole project -- this list is [B]very[/B] small and Chris and Sandi know each and every one of them on a first-name basis. And this anonymous poster claims everything DS loves to repeat with zero evidence. Lizzy also states that some of her sources did go onto Glassdoor after talking to her, which means it's very likely that someone on this very short list of Chris's original co-workers is a source on the story - hardly anonymous if they can all be rounded up around a single boardroom table. Are you [B]sure[/B] The Escapist has done due diligence on vetting their sources? And why was CIG PR not advised or asked to comment on the damning allegations made against Sandi and the HR manager involving Sandi being racist and aegist and being illegally discriminatory in her hiring practices and HR looking the other way? That's a curious omission if you then want to claim that you acted ethically in communicating with the subject of your story.

So glad I can turn off from all this crap. Got hyped, dumped cash and now all I hear is drama 24/7. Y'all just need to chill, sit back and watch Derek Smart get fucked six ways from Sunday.

[QUOTE=Sweeney;48836051]So glad I can turn off from all this crap. Got hyped, dumped cash and now all I hear is drama 24/7. Y'all just need to chill, sit back and watch Derek Smart get fucked six ways from Sunday.[/QUOTE] Unless CitizenCon is an abject failure, the DS-implosion popcorn comes out on Saturday. We've actually been fairly good at keeping DS's shit out of the thread, but this is too newsworthy and too widespread to enforce our usual friendly agreement not to talk about shithead. The thread is usually much more pleasant to be in. Lately, there's been little news and lots of trolling from shithead and his minions.

[QUOTE=Sweeney;48836051]So glad I can turn off from all this crap. Got hyped, dumped cash and now all I hear is drama 24/7. Y'all just need to chill, sit back and watch Derek Smart get fucked six ways from Sunday.[/QUOTE] I would love to sit back and watch this blow over. But what's happening is causing too much potential damage to CIG. Sitting back and watching something you like get attacked is hard. I feel compelled to speak up.

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;48834917]I was gone for two weeks what the [B]FUCK [/B]happened here who the [B]FUCK [/B]is lizzy and why the [B]FUCK [/B]is cig sueing someone[/QUOTE] Drama happened. Lizzy is a contributor for The Escapist, first she publishes a story where she pushes out a story that makes some very serious allegations of federal and state crimes being done in hiring practices, embezzlement, abusing employees and more. before the article was published they reached out for comment from CIG but fail to mention the allegations of hiring practices and embezlement. The article was initially published without comment from CR even though he replied before their deadline because "lol it got stuck in a spam folder". CR then posts on the RSI website his reply to the article, in his post he accuses the involvement of Dr. DS PhD among things. in response the escapist elaborates on how they made their article: * Legal vetted their sources ([URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3n6lum/escapist_anonymous_sources_uncovered/cvlw1qx"]which an EX-investigative journalist on reddit said is not the SOP but is instead when the sources aren't verifiable[/URL]) * That there's no Dr.DS PhD involvement. * They claim that one of the sources gave their company ID's with the name blacked out and [URL="https://i.imgur.com/rModjSj.jpg"]paystubs[/URL] (this was a photoshopped paystub a redditor made to prove how easy it is to make a passable fake.) * All of the sources were as part of the vetting process looked at their [URL="https://www.linkedin.com/pub/notreal-cigdev/107/313/ba6?domainCountryName=&csrfToken=ajax%3A9170075778672457790"]LinkedIn profiles [/URL] * No really guys we didnt use glassdoor as our source Later on CIG's VP and general legal counsel Ortwin Freyermouth sends a demand letter, in it: * He reveals that CIG has no ID. * He disputes the allegations TE brought up * He alleges the "source" shopped around to see who would take it and lizzy rushed the story since she wanted to be the one to get the scoop. * He claims a couple journalists contacted CIG to support above claim. * He points to several glassdoor reviews that randomly cropped up a couple days before the article went out echoing practically word for word. * He asserts Dr.DS PhD is involved due to Dr.DS PhD sending an email that "employees are talking" * lastly his demands, Take down the article, make a public apology, make an external investigation * they dont do so by the end of the business day today then they are going to get sued and here we are, if anyone wants to add anything go ahead.

[QUOTE=Swilly;48833642]It wasn't masterminded by any shithead, whoever that could mean, the article was published after giving Roberts 24 hours to respond to the article. [/QUOTE] 24 hours, starting on a sunday (they arent in the office on a weekend!), and they DID get a response in, but it was ignored and then they blamed roberts for formatting his matter-of-hours written email in a way that the spam filter picked up, and not CCing EVERYONE. Furthermore, they didnt even send the full contents of the article to respond to, just some generic questions that made ZERO mention of the allegations of racism, discriminatory hiring practices, and embezzlement. I dont think you grasp how ludicrous any criticism of CIG's attempt to respond here is. As far as the rushing out of the article and not giving CIG enough time to respond, escapist is indisputably in the wrong on 3-4 counts.

I guess the escapist is dragging this out? [url]https://archive.is/JLByy[/url] [QUOTE]if Mr. Roberts' offer for The Escapist to "meet the developers making the game and see how we're building one of the most ambitious PC games first hand" remains open, we take the opportunity to accept such invitation so as to hopefully provide the public with sufficient information and opportunity to vet such sources' allegations and claims for themselves.[/QUOTE] I bet this is what they're playing at: gather some more crap from the 'sources' for the 'bad', and do some interviews with current CIG guys which show the 'good' side, drag it out with a few more articles, and summarise it in the end with "hey, I guess CIG isn't so bad after all - good thing us awesome journalists at the escapist(tm) got to the bottom of this mystery" so they get to ride out the awesome ad revenue they're getting, without admitting fault or suffering the legal battle with cig

[QUOTE=krail9;48837255]I guess the escapist is dragging this out? [url]https://archive.is/JLByy[/url] I bet this is what they're playing at: gather some more crap from the 'sources' for the 'bad', and do some interviews with current CIG guys which show the 'good' side, drag it out with a few more articles, and summarise it in the end with "hey, I guess CIG isn't so bad after all - good thing us awesome journalists at the escapist(tm) got to the bottom of this mystery" so they get to ride out the awesome ad revenue they're getting, without admitting fault or suffering the legal battle with cig[/QUOTE] Dunno, sounds like this might help tho, lot of people are like OMG ITS A SCAM still, dunno, if its a scam, they are really good at hiding it with the content they show, I wonder how much of the $90mill they will have scammed from us by the end of it, $10 at best?

[QUOTE=krail9;48837255]I guess the escapist is dragging this out? [url]https://archive.is/JLByy[/url] I bet this is what they're playing at: gather some more crap from the 'sources' for the 'bad', and do some interviews with current CIG guys which show the 'good' side, drag it out with a few more articles, and summarise it in the end with "hey, I guess CIG isn't so bad after all - good thing us awesome journalists at the escapist(tm) got to the bottom of this mystery" so they get to ride out the awesome ad revenue they're getting, without admitting fault or suffering the legal battle with cig[/QUOTE] No, stop, give full text before pick and choosing [quote]The Escapist, notwithstanding Cloud Imperium Games' notice and posting, stands by its coverage of Star Citizen and intends to continue to investigate the developing story. Since publishing our original stories, we have been contacted by, and are currently interviewing, additional sources corroborating a variety of the reported allegations. Additionally, if Mr. Roberts' offer for The Escapist to "meet the developers making the game and see how we're building one of the most ambitious PC games first hand" remains open, we take the opportunity to accept such invitation so as to hopefully provide the public with sufficient information and opportunity to vet such sources' allegations and claims for themselves. We have also communicated the foregoing directly to Cloud Imperium Games.[/quote] they are claiming to have new sources while collecting new ones [quote]Since publishing our original stories, we have been contacted by, and are currently interviewing, additional sources corroborating a variety of the reported allegations.[/quote] If those new sources are fraud, then they are fraud, big difference to not having anything and fishing for it. [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48837305]Dunno, sounds like this might help tho, lot of people are like OMG ITS A SCAM still, dunno, if its a scam, they are really good at hiding it with the content they show, I wonder how much of the $90mill they will have scammed from us by the end of it, $10 at best?[/QUOTE] I would say it's a little bit dirty, but yeah absolutely SC can use this to fuel their funding, the cost would be speculative, but my hope is the SC community not becoming a riot games community.

gladius content out, seems like this video was posted a day ago but it looks like older content (especially given it advertises 'hangar ready now' and has been out for a bit. Neat either way [media]https://vimeo.com/141342697[/media] tons of solid shots in here [url]https://www.artstation.com/artwork/gladius-09e2b9bb-b068-46f5-87e6-b4a8924bf1bb[/url] also, sneak hint at a new skin! [t]http://i.imgur.com/69xrMdw.jpg[/t] compared to the military drab tones [t]http://i.imgur.com/9cC1fUy.png[/t] [editline]e[/editline] I love the glad's style but at the moment it handles [i]near[/i] identical to avenger (subject to change as always). One thing that really irks me is the fact that all the maneuvering thrusters are top/bottom, nothing for pure lateral thrust which is kind of a thing I'm used to using. Also rolling is weird, the current thrust model gets locked up and goes real slow if you roll right, but if you roll left real quick it'll unstick and you can roll either direction at full blast. Hmm

skins is actually something I'd like to see more commentary on, given they've got a few in the little extra donations section in the meantime though, 13:07- apparently patch 1.3 is officially baby PU [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZZjMivl84[/media]

baby PU should be called fetal PU, for the jokes.

I really should redownload SC onto my new rig, i was waiting for FPS/Multicrew to come out. and i did buy a 2TB SSD for it :v:

[QUOTE=dai;48837886]skins is actually something I'd like to see more commentary on, given they've got a few in the little extra donations section in the meantime though, 13:07- apparently patch 1.3 is officially baby PU [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZZjMivl84[/media][/QUOTE] Just a note: When 1.3 comes out, it does not [I]necessarily[/I] mean that the baby PU will be live and playable. Ben clarified on last week's AtV that what was slated for 1.2.1 is now 1.3 -- the difference is that 1.2 is the Illfonic fps branch, 1.3 is the post-merge unified dev branch with the fps build rolled in. However, this means that there won't be a lot of pain and bloated downloads when fps and baby PU drop, because it's just a matter of adding the assets and game rules for the new modes and getting the cloud servers and the GIMp spinning up fps/bPU instances instead of ArcCorp instances, and not all sorts of fuckery with independent builds. However, CIG may very well meet their goal of getting the baby PU out shortly after Citizencon. I expect delays, but CIG knows their credibility is suffering thanks to 2015 being the year of "delayed again" and they need to get shit into players' hands. The Gamescom demo looked pretty far along for the most part, so I could see this happening plausibly. Company-wide playtests have gone off successfully for fps, too, which is a very good sign in CIG production terms, but it's not a sure sign of impending PTU. Most of the blockers now seem to be the kinds of bugs that are devil-in-the-details sorts of things, as opposed to "fuck, we have to retarget 3,000 animations because we changed our minds and had to redesign the foundation player rig" level blockers. [URL="http://mashable.com/2015/10/05/escapist-star-citizen/"]Mashable has an article covering the Escapist situation and it's informative and is neutral except for them publishing their opinion that the unverified quotes from anonymous sources should not have been used in the way they were.[/URL] [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3nnzin/mashable_even_disagrees_with_the_way_the_escapist/"]As the Reddit discussion points out,[/URL] possibly the most telling sign that the sources are too stinky to trust is that the usual suspects like Kotaku and Polygon are dead silent here. Even Kotaku kept away from publishing the story, and they never pass up a chance to shit on SC. The Escapist better have some bulletproof evidence that they're hiding. If they do and there's some serious shit happening at CIG that's being kept quiet, it needs to be addressed -- I'm sure we all agree that we didn't fund CIG to the tune of $90mil+ so they can perpetuate discrimination. However, extraordinary claims require equally significant evidence. If all of this is based only on unverifiable statements made over the phone by people who are faking their credentials (which appears to be the case in at least one source according to Lizzy's own deleted tweets), The Escapist is opening themselves in a world of shit even if they are insulated from US libel proceedings. They were supposed to be a leading figure of ethics, and if they aren't holding an ace in their sleeve, they've destroyed that reputation in less than one week. It's also kind of funny watching KIA and the Escapist forums perpetuate the exact same polarized echo chamber that the Star Citizen backer community is constantly accused of. The cognitive dissonance is real.

As an open follower of GG since the very beginning, I am fucking appalled that pro-GG users are defending this. "But it followed SPJ rules!" Not if the stuff being posted on r/starcitizen is true. The Escapist has yet again pissed me off, and if they don't back up their story soon, this is going to be the last time I ever read them.

So what happend to MultiCrew releasing during/after CitizenCon? Did I miss something getting delayed here?

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;48839418]As an open follower of GG since the very beginning, I am fucking appalled that pro-GG users are defending this. "But it followed SPJ rules!" Not if the stuff being posted on r/starcitizen is true. The Escapist has yet again pissed me off, and if they don't back up their story soon, this is going to be the last time I ever read them.[/QUOTE] I get this shit said about me all the time on the topic of Star Citizen (and, weirdly, Rust shitposters when I try to explain to them things like, no, garry's published vision of Rust does not include missile-carrying hovercrafts, vehicle-mounted scoped railguns, or rape emote bars), and what it comes down to is confirmation bias of some severity. Taking me as an example, there are definitely posts in this thread in which I was, how you could say, rather convinced by CIG's narrative of when fps was coming out. And then delays began to stack up and CIG stopped talking about firm deadlines because they're unable to make sure they meet them, and everyone (myself included) was disappointed that they'd set our expectation for February (still pending!). I've done my best to put a bit more distance and introspection into my positions, regardless of my enthusiasm for the project, and I've got the posting history to prove that I've acknowledged and overtly posted criticisms about CIG and how they've handled things, so the label of blind fanboy is baseless, at the least. The Escapist's posters are familiar with their news site, and most of all they trust them and feel part of the community. Conversely, I'm sure most of them spend very little time paying attention to Star Citizen, and most of what they have heard is FUD or shitposting, as that's habitually what we get out of Kotaku, Polygon, and most of the big names, and so when daddy publishes a story alleging hideous malfeasance, confirmation bias kicks in and they get to go "I knew it!" and feel smug and clever for being smarter than almost 1 million backers. The RSI forums get accused of this same circlejerk echo chamber mentality constantly by those same types of ignorant smug critics. It's kind of adorable how dripping with irony it all is. [QUOTE=jonoPorter;48839536]So what happend to MultiCrew releasing during/after CitizenCon? Did I miss something getting delayed here?[/QUOTE] Planetside V0 launched on time. FPS missed its September window because the big merge of Illfonic's fps branch with the main dev stream (which is where multicrew and social have been built -- social had to be transplanted into the fps branch for Gamescom/V0!) took longer than CIG planned for, and other persistent little blockers that make it too broken to release. This includes aiming not recentering, which kind of fucks the concept of accuracy in firefights across the board, and CIG would [I]really[/I] like to avoid repeating the level of fuckup as the AC 1.0 release was. Multicrew... could? still make its release window, because any fix to fps automatically is available to multicrew, and they've already got several space stations, some moons, and the asteroid belt set up in the multicrew map (which is the baby PU initial map - Stanton System). That release window, btw, was "shortly after" CitizenCon, although optimist Chris said they hoped to release it with Citcon. I'm giving them until the end of the month before I call that promised release window failed, myself, because of the usual extra week or so that should be added onto any firm patch release date from CIG. The big focus of CitizenCon is going to be Squadron 42, though, and that doesn't get talked about very much (because almost all of it is spoilers) so I think everyone tends to forget about it. And, of course, the peanut gallery in whatever the anti-fanboy forum of the day is likely don't even know about or understand it. There are set to be a few big reveals, and I really hope they've got the stage setup planned better than Gamescom because I'm pretty sure the presentation will make us shit ourselves if JARED JARED JARED doesn't ruin everything first.

I thought it was funny that swilly accused elix of dogpiling him with verbosity in the other thread, so I thought i should mention i actually enjoy the length of your posts. Knowing exactly where someone is coming from with their ideas, specifically. Its not unusual for people to make posts that are too short with too many assumptions for the argument they're making. Then it devolves into pages of semantic arguments, taking more time than a long initial post would have ever taken. You dont waste too many sentences, honestly.

[QUOTE=Mattk50;48839986]elix...dogpiling him with verbosity in the other thread[/QUOTE] it's easy to think he's being super over-wordy if you're not here regularly and know he literally can't write a small post. I mean I kinda laugh to myself when I see a big wall of text, then I start writing up what I thought was a medium-ish post and it ends up pretty huge in no time flat. If you're on the forum to talk and like talking on a subject, go all out yo

[QUOTE=dai;48840946]it's easy to think he's being super over-wordy if you're not here regularly and know he literally can't write a small post.[/QUOTE] You made it sound like a physical disability or something :v: "Im so sorry ma'am, he's...[I]a really invested Star Citizen backer.[/I] He'll never be able to write concisely again."

it's terminal [editline]e[/editline] velocity [editline]e[/editline] he's reached the point he's physically incapable of typing any more at once without destroying his keyboard

I haven't played this since AC came out and I realized I'm super fucking awful and space flight. Tbh I'll probably keep forgetting it exists until it's actually released. Also my computer doesn't run the game too well :v: