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[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;48842938]I haven't played this since AC came out and I realized I'm super fucking awful and space flight. Tbh I'll probably keep forgetting it exists until it's actually released. Also my computer doesn't run the game too well :v:[/QUOTE] There's a tutorial now! And there might be a progress-halting bug at the stage where it teaches you about missiles still (not sure if that was fixed), but the beginning is [I]fucking cool[/I]. Nobody spoil it for Niko. Hopefully, the bugs involving the tutorial prompts have all been fixed so [I]they[/I] won't spoil it for Niko. :v: There are also tweak guides to tell Cryengine to slow the fuck down with jamming that overpowered motion blur and other expensive effects through your GPU, like [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3m8xfk/testing_custom_configs_need_more_or_more_stable/"]this set of tiered stable performance setups going from low to fairly high[/URL]. [QUOTE=dai;48842801]it's terminal [editline]e[/editline] velocity [editline]e[/editline] he's reached the point he's physically incapable of typing any more at once without destroying his keyboard[/QUOTE] i'm not going to make it, you [I]*hack*[/I] guys... the doctor said that... that... i only have five months b-before.. I'm trying to be strong... [I]*hic*[/I] no, I said I wouldn't cry.. [I]*sniffle*[/I]... before it develops into.. full-blown stage one [I]concierge[/I] [sp]I'm about $100 out on my pledge total and if I subscribe at the $20 level for double subscriber-event hangar swag for 5 more months the big gold C lights up in my RSI panel, jfc :v[/sp]

[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;48842938]I haven't played this since AC came out and I realized I'm super fucking awful and space flight. Tbh I'll probably keep forgetting it exists until it's actually released. Also my computer doesn't run the game too well :v:[/QUOTE] (less complicated than above suggestion) turning the settings down does wonders already, it defaults to 'very high' so it's understandable it could run like garbage at first load also consider toying with settings. A few suggestions- > It's easier (at first) to aim with the lead pip instead of the default follow one > alt-M will make your camera slightly adjust toward your aim retical and it feels a bit more flowy and natural > you don't have to go full speed all the time > you're not an airplane and strafing is your friend, especially around space debris. > seriously hit the space brakes now and again

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48839061] However, CIG may very well meet their goal of getting the baby PU out shortly after Citizencon.[/QUOTE] So I'm marking my calendar for April 2017. Gee, I might just be a civilian again by the time the full release happens

[QUOTE=dai;48842801]it's terminal [editline]e[/editline] velocity [editline]e[/editline] he's reached the point he's physically incapable of typing any more at once without destroying his keyboard[/QUOTE] We must invent a keyboard for someone with his condition! Coming soon: The Razor™ BlackWidow™ Rambler™!

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48839701]-text-[/QUOTE] Not to be a dick or anything but how much do you write in this thread? The length of your posts are insane, honestly i never read them because they are too long

[QUOTE=Medevila;48849071][URL="http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/star-citizens-pace-of-funding-has-accelerated-and-its-powered-by-new-backers"]Star Citizen's pace of funding has accelerated, and it's powered by new backers[/URL] lmao, thanks Dick Smart?[/QUOTE] Is it only me that think the base idea and what Dick Smart is getting at is resonable? People doing crowdfunding Projects need to be accountable of what they promise and deliver

[QUOTE=Orki;48849103]Is it only me that think the base idea and what Dick Smart is getting at is resonable? People doing crowdfunding Projects need to be accountable of what they promise and deliver[/QUOTE] Got it, let's have the game come out right now in a broken state so the people who said that star citizen was too good to be true can go LOOK SEE THISIS WHATI SAID WOULD HAPPEN. Not saying that anyone should be not held accountable, but there are other games that did this shit far worse and no fucking reason for it Or they spend the money stupidly *cough* double fine *cough* A delayed game [B]can[/B] be a good game, a rushed game [I]will[/I] be a shit game

[QUOTE=Orki;48849103]Is it only me that think the base idea and what Dick Smart is getting at is resonable? People doing crowdfunding Projects need to be accountable of what they promise and deliver[/QUOTE] What he's getting at is reasonable in theory only. In practice, a vast majority of backers are content with the pace of CIG and have from the beginning been understanding of delays.

[QUOTE=Orki;48849103]Is it only me that think the base idea and what Dick Smart is getting at is resonable? People doing crowdfunding Projects need to be accountable of [B]what they promise and deliver[/B][/QUOTE] Pardon me, but I've been reading up on DS's past work and the irony is so rich here it could buy a small island and live out it's days in ironic bliss with all it's ironic friends.

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;48849172]Pardon me, but I've been reading up on DS's past work and the irony is so rich here it could buy a small island and live out it's days in ironic bliss with all it's ironic friends.[/QUOTE] ehhh, im not saying dick smart is a clever man or if he's worse or better i have no idea! I just read the PCG article and some kind of guarantees will have to be made imo [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48849163]Got it, let's have the game come out right now in a broken state so the people who said that star citizen was too good to be true can go LOOK SEE THISIS WHATI SAID WOULD HAPPEN. Not saying that anyone should be held accountable, but there are other games that did this shit far worse and no fucking reason for it Or they spend the money stupidly *cough* double fine *cough* A delayed game [B]can[/B] be a good game, a rushed game [I]will[/I] be a shit game[/QUOTE] Well if what Dick Smart is saying that the EULA or w/e said that people would get a refund if it wasnt released after nov 15 then people who requests it and only agreed to that EULA and no updated versions should get the refund.

[QUOTE=Orki;48849103]Is it only me that think the base idea and what Dick Smart is getting at is resonable? People doing crowdfunding Projects need to be accountable of what they promise and deliver[/QUOTE] In what way it is reasonable when applied to Star Citizen? They already regularly show what's being worked on and the progress with the game, it's perhaps the most open development i've seen for a game. From what I've seen, Crowdfunding is typically viewed as a donation. Those who take part in it aren't investors, so they shouldn't be given access to all the budget information like I've seen some people want. People are acting like Star Citizen hasn't delivered anything, all their promises have fallen flat and it's missed it's release date, when that is not the case. The estimated 2014 release date was for the base kickstarter goal only - which was pretty much just Squadron 42 (and it was far smaller than what it will be now) and the Hangar module. When there have been delays to the modules they've clearly explained why and what's being done about them. There is no real reason at the moment for all these complaints. The game is only 3 years into development, when most games of a similar scale take at least 5 years.

[QUOTE=nightlord;48849226]In what way it is reasonable when applied to Star Citizen?They already regularly show what's being worked on and the progress with the game, it's perhaps the most open development i've seen for a game. From what I've seen, Crowdfunding is typically viewed as a donation. Those who take part in it aren't investors, so they shouldn't be given access to all the budget information like I've seen some people want. People are acting like Star Citizen hasn't delivered anything, all their promises have fallen flat and it's missed it's release date, when that is not the case. The estimated 2014 release date was for the base kickstarter goal only - which was pretty much just Squadron 42 (and it was far smaller than what it will be now) and the Hangar module. When there have been delays to the modules they've clearly explained why and what's being done about them. There is no real reason at the moment for all these complaints. The game is only 3 years into development, when most games of a similar scale take at least 5 years.[/QUOTE] Well either the EULA is binding or it isn't CIG can't have it both ways, if they promised refunds in the first EULA and a person hasn't agreed to any since, they should get a refund even if its in Active development or w/e. Do i think that is a smart choice? fuck no their loss,but the eula must be binding both ways.

legally, they don't have to do shit. morally, they need to show a continued, genuine commitment to achieving the advertised goal, which SC has done in spades

Even if the EULA does make people eligible for a refund, how many backers would actually ask for one?

[QUOTE=Orki;48849027]Not to be a dick or anything but how much do you write in this thread? The length of your posts are insane, honestly i never read them because they are too long[/QUOTE] You can add me to your ignore list too, thanks. [QUOTE=Orki;48849103]Is it only me that think the base idea and what Dick Smart is getting at is resonable? People doing crowdfunding Projects need to be accountable of what they promise and deliver[/QUOTE] I hope you realize that DS is responsible for starting the longest, largest Usenet flamewar in history, spanning over 40,000 posts and multiple years. He is both the instigator and topic of said flame war, having started it over his (at the time not even released) game, Battlecruiser 3000 AD, which he claimed was basically Jesus walking the Earth in space sim form -- and was delayed time and time again before finally shipping after 7 years of development as a buggy, incomprehensible, and unplayable mess. Most purchasers couldn't even get the installer to finish without fatal crashes every time. The reason the game shipped in such a terrible state is that he and his publisher, Take Two, were in conflict, and DS decided that it'd be a great idea to secretly fork the code, start working on his own branch and not working any further on the build the rest of the development team was working on, and then, when the publisher asked for his code so they could ship it, he refused to share. So they cut their losses and released what they had - and it was so profoundly unplayable it was a deep embarrassment for them and DS. He was so angry he assaulted Take Two's Coke machine in a tantrum. In fairness, DS then spent two years fixing the crash bugs in the installer and the many crashes and bugs in the main game, and then released this improved version for free to his fans. The game also comes with a 90+ page manual and you NEED to refer to it constantly because practically every screen has a different UI and keybind schematic with no consistency. You can watch Scott Manley attempt to play the latest reincarnation of BC3K (because by the way DS basically re-released it half a dozen times with upgrades and enhancements over the years, changing the name but generally keeping a lot of the underlying tech the same): [video=youtube;SJXBn4TJb2g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJXBn4TJb2g[/video] This is DS's latest game, in Early Access on Steam. He has been promising that it'll be out since 2011, and he keeps moving the deadline every few months. [video=youtube;OlYGgju1R2o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlYGgju1R2o[/video] Are you sure you want to use this guy as a baseline for accountability? You should also be aware that [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Smart"]his own Wikipedia page[/URL] contains a quote [I]from him[/I] in which he outright admits to trolling and instigating shit on the Internet [I]for kicks[/I]: [QUOTE]Sometimes when I get online, and it's quiet, and I see something that attracts my attention, I'll post just to piss these guys off. That's why I do it. Because I'm in a good mood that day, I go in there and I start trouble.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48849264]-snip-[/QUOTE] Why are you guys so persistent to attack Dick Smart instead of replying to what i am acually saying? Who gives a shit about DS, i was talking about how some of the stuff he said is correct not praising the man to be the best in the world Edit: Holy shit that game looks awful

[QUOTE=Orki;48849241]Well either the EULA is binding or it isn't CIG can't have it both ways, if they promised refunds in the first EULA and a person hasn't agreed to any since, they should get a refund even if its in Active development or w/e. Do i think that is a smart choice? fuck no their loss,but the eula must be binding both ways.[/QUOTE] If the EULA did say that, that still seems to only apply to the initial kickstarter goal of Squadron 42 and the Hangar module. The game the part about refunds applied to is now pretty much non-existent in a way, which complicates things. If the game had just vanished then it would be understandable, but Squadron 42 is now much more expansive than what it was originally, you can't expect that to be done in the same amount of time as the smaller version of it was going to be finished.

[QUOTE=nightlord;48849276]If the EULA did say that, that still seems to only apply to the initial kickstarter goal of Squadron 42 and the Hangar module. The game the part about refunds applied to is now pretty much non-existent in a way, which complicates things. If the game had just vanished then it would be understandable, but Squadron 42 is now much more expansive than what it was originally going to be, you can't expect that to be done in the same amount of time as the smaller version of it was going to be.[/QUOTE] You are 100% right, but what i am saying is in a retarded legal way, if i pledged on KS 100$ and i haven't gotten the game or done ANYTHING untill nov 15, should i be entitled to a refund if i so choose? Because i haven't gotten the game which i was promised. Now me personally like that the game is bigger and better etc and i can wait. But im talking in general here what is within the right of people and not. Not taking into account what is the smart / better thing to do.

[QUOTE=Orki;48849291]You are 100% right, but what i am saying is in a retarded legal way, if i pledged on KS 100$ and i haven't gotten the game or done ANYTHING untill nov 15, should i be entitled to a refund if i so choose? Because i haven't gotten the game which i was promised. Now me personally like that the game is bigger and better etc and i can wait. But im talking in general here what is within the right of people and not. Not taking into account what is the smart / better thing to do.[/QUOTE] I think it it should only be refundable if they disappeared and didn't show any progress, Look at StarForge, that's a game that should be allowed to be refunded. Trust me, Star Citizen is no StarForge. I got burned hard by StarForge, So when I saw that CiG was open with what they had, I backed it. Oh, and StarForge also had big promises, they showed, which as far as I know, aren't in the game at all, but I really don't know, I can't get anywhere in the game without it being unstable and broken.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48849329]I think it it should only be refundable if they disappeared and didn't show any progress, Look at StarForge, that's a game that should of allowed to be refunded. Trust me, Star Citizen is no StarForge. I got burned hard by StarForge, So when I saw that CiG was open with what they had, I backed it.[/QUOTE] I agree with you that it didn't disappear! BUT you didn't get what was ordered in the timeframe, Say you order a CPU a year in advance, the EULA says "If you don't get it within a year of the estimated release date" should you be entitled to a refund after that year? You haven't gotten the Product it is still in the pipeline for the developers etc but its still a year late.

[QUOTE=Medevila;48849071][URL="http://www.pcgamesn.com/star-citizen/star-citizens-pace-of-funding-has-accelerated-and-its-powered-by-new-backers"]Star Citizen's pace of funding has accelerated, and it's powered by new backers[/URL] lmao, thanks Dick Smart?[/QUOTE] This makes me think that people hear all the shit and actually attempted to wade through it all to see SC for what it can be. And that makes me think people can actually be reasonable.

[QUOTE=Orki;48849273]Why are you guys so persistent to attack Dick Smart instead of replying to what i am acually saying? Who gives a shit about DS, i was talking about how some of the stuff he said is correct not praising the man to be the best in the world Edit: Holy shit that game looks awful[/QUOTE] Because you're repeating his arguments, whether you know them or not. The man is a pathological liar. He's had a vendetta against Chris Roberts for the past 25 years. Eric "Wingman" Peterson worked with Chris back at Origin in the 90s on the Wing Commander series, and worked with him again on Star Citizen for a while (until the position he was in was needed in California, and he and his family lived in Austin, TX and worked at the Austin office; he had to choose between work and family and work lost). After DS emerged in June to start waging a smear campaign against Star Citizen (which BTW you've become an unwitting pawn of by repeating his arguments, unknown to you), Wingman showed up to comment that, while they were making Wing Commander 1-4, they would periodically receive angry letters from this Derek Smart guy who would accuse them of stealing his ideas. They had no idea who this guy was, and these letters were before BC3K was even released or playable by anyone outside of the devs/publisher. He sent nasty letters to game developers who didn't know who he was, accusing them of reading his mind and stealing features from his unreleased game. If you would actually look into Star Citizen at all you'd see that they provide us with monthly reports accounting for where the money's been spent and what people are doing, plus there are three-plus hours of original video content produced every week covering the news and examining different aspects of development and multiple weekly news posts. The only people who are saying that SC isn't showing any progress or being accountable are the ones who've never taken the time to look and are only reading what one news story says -- and in the case of the Escapist's "scoop", it's almost certainly been played by a notorious and self-described troll, because the story hits nearly every one of his pet FUD talking points. Also, you talk about refunds. Allow me to go over recent history for you. DS originally backed SC for $250. He never once downloaded the game or tried playing it, once playable builds were made available to backers. He unsubscribed from the mailing list after a week and never once logged into his account again for over two years. He then surfaced in June and started calling it a scam and accusing Chris Roberts of all manner of impropriety without any evidence. And his story kept changing with new allegations and new bullshit every few days or so. DS threatened to try and get the US Federal Trade Commission to investigate SC and also threatened legal action. As DS had backed through Kickstarter, Cloud Imperium exercised the clause in the Kickstarter TOS that allows them to refund a backer at any time for any reason, and this instantly dissolves the relationship and any obligation to provide any rewards. They emailed him to ask him where to send the refund check, as he had been encouraging people to demand refunds. [I]He intentionally gave them an invalid address.[/I] So that the check would not make it to him and he could stay a backer. Because, once his refund is official, he's no longer a backer and has no legal standing to sue. After a month, they checked up on his check as part of routine bookkeeping and found that it had not been cashed but also had not been returned in the mail. They dug up the address he gave them to find that it doesn't exist. They contacted him again and he gave them some bullshit story about how the government must have renamed the street -- as if the post office wouldn't notice and adjust. It took the co-founder sending a firm letter and re-sending the check by registered mail to make him cash it. Are you sure you can take anything he says with any credibility?

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48849352]Because you're repeating his arguments, whether you know them or not. The man is a pathological liar. He's had a vendetta against Chris Roberts for the past 25 years. Eric "Wingman" Peterson worked with Chris back at Origin in the 90s on the Wing Commander series, and worked with him again on Star Citizen for a while (until the position he was in was needed in California, and he and his family lived in Austin, TX and worked at the Austin office; he had to choose between work and family and work lost). After DS emerged in June to start waging a smear campaign against Star Citizen (which BTW you've become an unwitting pawn of by repeating his arguments, unknown to you), Wingman showed up to comment that, while they were making Wing Commander 1-4, they would periodically receive angry letters from this Derek Smart guy who would accuse them of stealing his ideas. They had no idea who this guy was, and these letters were before BC3K was even released or playable by anyone outside of the devs/publisher. He sent nasty letters to game developers who didn't know who he was, accusing them of reading his mind and stealing features from his unreleased game. If you would actually look into Star Citizen at all you'd see that they provide us with monthly reports accounting for where the money's been spent and what people are doing, plus there are three-plus hours of original video content produced every week covering the news and examining different aspects of development and multiple weekly news posts. The only people who are saying that SC isn't showing any progress are the ones who've never taken the time to look and are only reading what one news story says -- and in the case of the Escapist's "scoop", it's almost certainly been played by a notorious and self-described troll, because the story hits nearly every one of his pet FUD talking points. Also, you talk about refunds. Allow me to go over recent history for you. DS originally backed SC for $250. He never once downloaded the game or tried playing it, once playable builds were made available to backers. He unsubscribed from the mailing list after a week and never once logged into his account again for over two years. He then surfaced in June and started calling it a scam and accusing Chris Roberts of all manner of impropriety without any evidence. And his story kept changing with new allegations and new bullshit every few days or so. DS threatened to try and get the US Federal Trade Commission to investigate SC and also threatened legal action. As DS had backed through Kickstarter, Cloud Imperium exercised the clause in the Kickstarter TOS that allows them to refund a backer at any time for any reason, and this instantly dissolves the relationship and any obligation to provide any rewards. They emailed him to ask him where to send the refund check, as he had been encouraging people to get refunds. [I]He intentionally gave them an invalid address.[/I] So that the check would not make it to him and he could stay a backer. Because, once his refund is official, he's no longer a backer and has no legal standing to sue. After a month, they checked up on his check as part of routine bookkeeping and found that it had not been cashed but also had not been returned in the mail. They dug up the address he gave them to find that it doesn't exist. They contacted him again and he gave them some bullshit story about how the government must have renamed the street -- as if the post office wouldn't notice and adjust. It took the co-founder sending a firm letter and re-sending the check by registered mail to make him cash it. Are you sure you can take anything he says with any credibility?[/QUOTE] He seems like a retard and i have no idea if the EULA acually said what he is saying it did, Anyone waded through the EULA to see if hes right? That is why im very careful how i formulate myself and talk more in general than trying to argue his exact points.

[QUOTE=Orki;48849338]I agree with you that it didn't disappear! BUT you didn't get what was ordered in the timeframe, Say you order a CPU a year in advance, the EULA says "If you don't get it within a year of the estimated release date" should you be entitled to a refund after that year? You haven't gotten the Product it is still in the pipeline for the developers etc but its still a year late.[/QUOTE] I get what you're saying, but a CPU being rushed out could cause a lot more issues with people than a bugged game. Anytime you preorder something, you risk the chance of delays. From professional companies to indie devs. I preordered Duke Nuken: F, GTA V, MGSV, and probably a few other games that all had delays. I would always prefer a delay to a rushed game. Playing something that is broken can ruin a game permanently for me, a delayed game is a game I haven't tried yet.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48849352]Wingman showed up to comment that, while they were making Wing Commander 1-4, they would periodically receive angry letters from this Derek Smart guy who would accuse them of stealing his ideas. They had no idea who this guy was, and these letters were before BC3K was even released or playable by anyone outside of the devs/publisher. He sent nasty letters to game developers who didn't know who he was, accusing them of reading his mind and stealing features from his unreleased game.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Letters[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][B]LETTERS[/B][/QUOTE] Like, paper letters in the mailbox letters? Holy shit this guy has been at it for a while.

[QUOTE=Orki;48849338]I agree with you that it didn't disappear! BUT you didn't get what was ordered in the timeframe, Say you order a CPU a year in advance, the EULA says "If you don't get it within a year of the estimated release date" should you be entitled to a refund after that year? You haven't gotten the Product it is still in the pipeline for the developers etc but its still a year late.[/QUOTE] Difference is, the CPU dev cost was covered by the dev. of the CPU, not by the money you put in. You invested, not paid for a product, I mean, of course, I think if they did a crowd funded CPU, and didn't show progress, showing "yes, if its still being worked on, this is what we did, sorry that its taking longer than we said, it will be out in a reasonable amount of time for a product such as this". I mean, for a game like Star Citizen, an open world space sim, reasonable time is probably 3-6 years. Yeah, its a LONG time, but its an open world game, those take time. And its not fair for people that backed later on that, lets say everyone from the kickstarter pulled money, thats $2 million, that a lot of money and can really effect the game. I know for Star Citizen this doesn't really apply, but, If this was another game, and all of a sudden lots of money was pulled for dev. since people are mad it got delayed, then the game doesn't get made at all.

[QUOTE=Sgt. Khorn;48849377]I get what you're saying, but a CPU being rushed out could cause a lot more issues with people than a bugged game. Anytime you preorder something, you risk the chance of delays. From professional companies to indie devs. I preordered Duke Nuken: F, GTA V, MGSV, and probably a few other games that all had delays. I would always prefer a delay to a rushed game. Playing something that is broken can ruin a game permanently for me, a delayed game is a game I haven't tried yet.[/QUOTE] But it has nothing to do with what you prefer... im saying IF the eula is done in that way should you be able to get a refund? thats the question. not if you prefer it this way or not.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48849352]Derek Smart letter[/QUOTE] I need a link to those letter or even wingman talking about that.

[QUOTE=Orki;48849402]But it has nothing to do with what you prefer... im saying IF the eula is done in that way should you be able to get a refund? thats the question. not if you prefer it this way or not.[/QUOTE] EULA, sure, but p. sure EULA aren't legally binding, atleast in the US.

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;48849426]the concepts owned though: [t]http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/22/21449/Cockpitmockup2.jpg[/t] [t]http://pre12.deviantart.net/f426/th/pre/f/2014/277/b/d/rsi_aurora_ui_concept___star_citizen_by_z_design-d81n6zw.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] I'm hoping you can get hud replacements ingame, I would love to have the concept huds for my ships.