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[Mattk50]

[QUOTE=dai;49167269]in regards to the fact that despite it being written up front and center on every purchase page, people with vague knowledge about the project hear "omg they're selling $5000 space ships" and fall into a mob mentality around it being the most expensive P2W store ever[/QUOTE]

I've had numerous $1000+ backers insist that CIG would balance the economy to ensure that their ships will keep being that valuable once the game is out.

Do people realize that if something is really "worth" that much in a game you are quickly approaching eve titan "costs" for somethat that probably shouldnt take years to make enough ingame money to afford.

[Archangel125]

[QUOTE=Mattk50;49170013]I've had numerous $1000+ backers insist that CIG would balance the economy to ensure that their ships will keep being that valuable once the game is out.

Do people realize that if something is really "worth" that much in a game you are quickly approaching eve titan "costs" for somethat that probably shouldnt take years to make enough ingame money to afford.[/QUOTE]

The concierge backers who don't seem to get that the idea behind selling ships at all was funding the game's development, and not making them a part of some retarded exclusive club as a testament to their utter lack of self control deserve to be enraged. CIG won't listen to them - But I hope they balance the game's economy reasonably, and not to fit the vision of these idiots.

[DokVis]

day 5, still no ptu 2.0 email. I've began to eat my own foot so i don't have to leave my pc in case i get it

[dai]

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjvtK9ucirI[/media]

THIS is perfect

I loved the turret view in quantum and the overall feel of how everything took place

[editline]e[/editline]

talking with the caterpillar thread about prison/slaver ships and the rather new functionality of the personnel launchers, and it clicked for me- you can discretely deliver slaves by simply [i]lobbing them across guarded space[/i]. Nobody knows the two ships ever met or were ever near a location, and nobody can intercept the transaction because who'd be actively S&R monitoring for individual humans at random? Most the average ship picks up is another ship

[Archangel125]

It's pretty great to see stuff coming together, even if there's not even a fraction of the content we can expect on launch yet. It's all uphill from here.

[dai]

[QUOTE=archangel125;49171534]It's pretty great to see stuff coming together, even if there's not even a fraction of the content we can expect on launch yet. It's all uphill from here.[/QUOTE]

now that it's actually several seamless elements and there's a hell of a lot more [i]actually[/i] in players' hands than the dogfight testing grounds, LOTS of people are [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3twdo3/star_citizen_has_finally_won_me_over/]starting to see the bigger picture[/url]. even [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3txa19/kotaku_star_citizen_alpha_20_hits_public_test/]kotaku wrote a nice article[/url]

[Viper123_SWE]

Nooooo why did they have to remove the option to purchase the Sabre today? It was still avalaible yesterday and I was literally planning on getting it next week. :v:

[elix]

[QUOTE=dai;49171219]talking with the caterpillar thread about prison/slaver ships and the rather new functionality of the personnel launchers, and it clicked for me- you can discretely deliver slaves by simply [i]lobbing them across guarded space[/i]. Nobody knows the two ships ever met or were ever near a location, and nobody can intercept the transaction because who'd be actively S&R monitoring for individual humans at random? Most the average ship picks up is another ship[/QUOTE]

Slave torpedos is a new level of cruelty.

fpcorp will master the technique. We'll precision fling slaves 200km [sp]except when we miss[/sp]. Take that, Advocacy fucks.

[QUOTE=dai;49171651]now that it's actually several seamless elements and there's a hell of a lot more [i]actually[/i] in players' hands than the dogfight testing grounds, LOTS of people are [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3twdo3/star_citizen_has_finally_won_me_over/]starting to see the bigger picture[/url]. even [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3txa19/kotaku_star_citizen_alpha_20_hits_public_test/]kotaku wrote a nice article[/url][/QUOTE]

To be fair, as the Reddit thread points out, Kotaku Australia is a different unit than Kotaku.com aka Kotaku USA. Kotaku USA hasn't written about SC much lately; [URL="http://kotaku.com/gary-oldman-headlines-star-studded-star-citizen-story-m-1735861895"]the most recent one I can find is a fairly straightfoward editorial-free reposting of the CitizenCon videos[/URL], and Kotaku USA's reaction to the Gamescom demos was "meh" while Kotaku UK wrote a fairly positive review.

But, yes, a lot of people have been holding back on Star Citizen until they see something tangible. 2.0 PTU is, for all its crashes, tangible proof of the work the devs have been telling us they've been doing for the last two years plus. It's not just design documents and concept JPEGs, it's a real goddamn game coming together in front of us, and for some people that was what they were waiting for.

The flight-ready backer count stands at 800k. If alpha 2.0 gets tightened up enough such that, when CIG goes home for Christmas, people can get on and play for 3 hours at a time without crashes (most of the time), we're definitely breaking 1mil flying backers by April 1st at the latest, especially as things continue to get iterated on.

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;49171804]Nooooo why did they have to remove the option to purchase the Sabre today? It was still avalaible yesterday and I was literally planning on getting it next week. :v:[/QUOTE]

Because the anniversary sales are 24-hour sale windows, themed by day. It's been posted here a few times.
[QUOTE]All ships will be available at once during the end of the sale, from Friday, November 27th to Sunday, November 29th.[/QUOTE]
And you don't have until next week, the anniversary sale ends on the 29th.

If you won't have enough cash to buy the Sabre outright, here's what you can do (as also posted earlier in this thread): When the Sabre comes back into the store on the weekend with every other ship, you can buy a CCU for a Connie Taurus to Sabre for $20 (the Taurus is $150 and the Sabre $170) and buy a P-72 Archimedes with LTI for $30. Then, whenever you have the cash, buy an Archimedes->Taurus token for $130 and then apply it and the Sabre tokens, and now you have an LTI Sabre! ...goddamnit dai

[dai]

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;49171804]Nooooo why did they have to remove the option to purchase the Sabre today? It was still avalaible yesterday and I was literally planning on getting it next week. :v:[/QUOTE]

on the 29th, buy the CCU upgrade from a constellation taurus to the sabre for $20. Then whenever you have the rest of your funds, you can buy the taurus and apply the CCU.

Bonus points, buy the $20 taur>sab CCU card, AND a $30 Archimedes with LTI. When the time comes, CCU the archimedes to the taurus, then apply the sabre CCU. LTI Sabre!

[url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1446574&p=49165645&viewfull=1#post49165645]reminder[/url] of the sale CCU cheatsheet

[Bradyns]

Still no PTU. :/

[elix]

[QUOTE=Bradyns;49172280]Still no PTU. :/[/QUOTE]

They haven't pushed the rollout further yet, so, no, nobody should be expecting more invites just yet. However, I'd expect more to be added fairly soon, because... remember how CIG was working on a patch to try and fix the server instabilities that happened after they rolled out access to another 15,000? [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3tzdp7/patch_is_in_qa/"]Patch is in QA right now for a release ASAP.[/URL]

Also, in that thread, someone suggested a 12 Days of Christmas for the QA/devs. I obliged:
[QUOTE]On the twelfth day of PTU, my dev team gave to me
twelve servers full,
eleven exploding Connies,
ten goons-a-griping,
nine AI pirates,
eight ships in Q-Drive,
seven broken relays,
six guys in EVA,
[B]five bug repros,[/B]
four loading screens,
three timeouts,
two pusher-griefers,
and a dream made reality[/QUOTE]

I get about 5 minutes of playability in the PTU for every 30-40 minutes I spend waiting on loading screens and getting fatal errors, usually before I even get into Port Olisar. So, people without invites, as much as you aren't getting to play the PTU, it's [I]really[/I] not fun to play as an actual game yet. Fingers crossed that this patch is so successful they roll out another 15k+. And play some 1.3/wander ArcCorp to better your chances.

[DokVis]

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49172320]They haven't pushed the rollout further yet, so, no, nobody should be expecting more invites just yet. However, I'd expect more to be added fairly soon, because... remember how CIG was working on a patch to try and fix the server instabilities that happened after they rolled out access to another 15,000? [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3tzdp7/patch_is_in_qa/"]Patch is in QA right now for a release ASAP.[/URL]

Also, in that thread, someone suggested a 12 Days of Christmas for the QA/devs. I obliged:

I get about 5 minutes of playability in the PTU for every 30-40 minutes I spend waiting on loading screens and getting fatal errors, usually before I even get into Port Olisar. So, people without invites, as much as you aren't getting to play the PTU, it's [I]really[/I] not fun to play as an actual game yet. Fingers crossed that this patch is so successful they roll out another 15k+. And play some 1.3/wander ArcCorp to better your chances.[/QUOTE]

But I'll like to report bugs and stuff.

[elix]

I imagine they'll roll out more once they get this patch out and see if it helps the stability any. The PTU is a stress test and I imagine they'll be ready for more than 16,000 once they can make it at least slightly stable with 16,000.

[URL="https://twitter.com/CaptainZyloh/status/668895051733336064/photo/1"]CIG QA Zyloh tweeted that Wulf Knight sent CIG Austin a surprise.[/URL]
[t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUhkfeSVAAAIgk1.jpg:large[/t] [t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUhkeUdUwAAhZyn.jpg:large[/t]

[Visorak06]

I'm considering pledging for the game now that some more tangible stuff has surfaced about the gameplay, and I'm a lot more confident in putting money forward with all those details and working parts. I'm in love with the Khartu-Al's design but apparently it's not availible for purchase. Anyone have an idea when that might be the case? Otherwise I'm probably gonna get a Gladius or Mustang Beta depending on how much money I want to drop.

[dai]

[QUOTE=Visorak06;49172486]I'm considering pledging for the game now that some more tangible stuff has surfaced about the gameplay, and I'm a lot more confident in putting money forward with all those details and working parts. I'm in love with the Khartu-Al's design but apparently it's not availible for purchase. Anyone have an idea when that might be the case? Otherwise I'm probably gonna get a Gladius or Mustang Beta depending on how much money I want to drop.[/QUOTE]

Khartu-Al will be on sale [i]tomorrow[/i] and on the 29th during this sale. Good timing!

However, to play anything, you will need a game package; this is one of a select number of ships with an extra chunk of cash on top for the beta privileges, digital download perks, and pre-order deal. The KA [I]does not have a game package, [/I]BUT, you can use the handy [url=https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ship-upgrades]Cross-Chassis Upgrade Tool[/url] to pull a little hat-trick.

Step 1: Buy a Constellation taurus game package ($200), or a lower valued game package if you don't want to toss $50 on top for perks when small packages only ask $15 on top. (The game package ships are always on sale, so if you don't have the budget yet, you can skip this step and purchase one when you feel comfortable).

Step 2: tomorrow or the sunday, Go to that CCU page and buy (for $0) a conversion from the taurus to the KA, as both base ships are $150. (If you have a smaller ship package and don't want to pay for the full upgrade price yet, you can still get the Taur>KA CCU, then when you have the funds, CCU [your current ship]>taurus, then apply the Taur>KA to it.)

Step 3: In your 'hangar' settings on the website, find the CCU item you just purchased, and it grants you the option to apply it to the constellation. [B]DON'T DO THIS YET[/B], for the simple reason that I'm not sure the KA provides a loaner ship to play with.

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ilu elix

on the note of hangars, I believe if you buy a cutlass package or larger, you get all 4 hangar styles.

[elix]

[QUOTE=Visorak06;49172486]I'm considering pledging for the game now that some more tangible stuff has surfaced about the gameplay, and I'm a lot more confident in putting money forward with all those details and working parts. I'm in love with the Khartu-Al's design but apparently it's not availible for purchase. Anyone have an idea when that might be the case? Otherwise I'm probably gonna get a Gladius or Mustang Beta depending on how much money I want to drop.[/QUOTE]

The Khartu-al is actually going up for sale on Thursday (for 24 hours) and then again over the weekend as part of the anniversary sale. It is not yet flyable or even in the hangar, but it is actively being worked on (or at least was as of a couple weeks ago) in CIG Santa Monica.

Note: You [I]must[/I] have a [U]game package[/U] to play, and it's unlikely that the Khartu-al will be sold as a package. However, you could buy a basic package and then upgrade the included ship to the Khartu-al (the package remains exactly the same, only the ship is swapped). There's only [U]one[/U] disadvantage to this, and that is that you will not receive the Revel & York luxury hangar with the Khartu-al unless you buy it outright (instead of a ship upgrade).

The original cost of the Khartu-al was $150.

god

damnit

dai

[Viper123_SWE]

[QUOTE=dai;49171850]on the 29th, buy the CCU upgrade from a constellation taurus to the sabre for $20. Then whenever you have the rest of your funds, you can buy the taurus and apply the CCU.

Bonus points, buy the $20 taur>sab CCU card, AND a $30 Archimedes with LTI. When the time comes, CCU the archimedes to the taurus, then apply the sabre CCU. LTI Sabre!

[url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1446574&p=49165645&viewfull=1#post49165645]reminder[/url] of the sale CCU cheatsheet[/QUOTE]

So in short I buy tokens and then redeem them in a specific way to get both the Sabre and insurance etc.?

[Visorak06]

[QUOTE=dai;49172568]Khartu-Al will be on sale [i]tomorrow[/i] and on the 29th during this sale. Good timing!

However, to play anything, you will need a game package; this is one of a select number of ships with an extra chunk of cash on top for the beta privileges, digital download perks, and pre-order deal. The KA [I]does not have a game package, [/I]BUT, you can use the handy [url=https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ship-upgrades]Cross-Chassis Upgrade Tool[/url] to pull a little hat-trick.

Step 1: Buy a Constellation taurus game package ($200), or a lower valued game package if you don't want to toss $50 on top for perks when small packages only ask $15 on top. (This ship is always on sale, so if you don't have the budget yet, you can skip this step and purchase it when you feel comfortable).

Step 2: tomorrow or the sunday, Go to that CCU page and buy (for $0) a conversion from the taurus to the KA, as both base ships cost $150. (If you have a smaller ship package and don't want to pay for the full upgrade price yet, you can still get THAT CCU, then when you have the funds, CCU your current ship into a taurus, then apply the taurus-to-KA to it.)

Step 3: In your 'hangar' settings on the website, find the CCU item you just purchased, and it grants you the option to apply it to the constellation. [B]DON'T DO THIS YET[/B], for the simple reason that I'm not sure the KA provides a loaner ship to play with.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure I'm following with the CCU thing. You said I can wait to purchase the Taurus, but then also said I have to get the CCU upgrade for it tomorrow? Can I do that if I haven't bought the ship yet?

[Viper123_SWE]

As in Archimedes > Taurus > Sabre?

[editline]23rd November 2015[/editline]

My merge

[dai]

[QUOTE=Visorak06;49172643]I'm not sure I'm following with the CCU thing. You said I can wait to purchase the Taurus, but then also said I have to get the CCU upgrade for it tomorrow? Can I do that if I haven't bought the ship yet?[/QUOTE]

buying the CCU basically gives you an item that you have to manually redeem. You also don't need to own the ship you're buying it for

lemme show you-

I'm grabbing some tokens for mustang alpha > archimedes

I'm presented with this page and can still select anything, but it warns I don't own the ship to upgrade-

[t]http://i.imgur.com/4QiXrJa.jpg[/t]

after buying it, it shows up in my 'hangar' settings like a ship or other pledge item. You can then, when you are ready, apply the package and it will search for the ship to apply it to

[t]http://i.imgur.com/fwBIxE5.png[/t]

and then it searches for a matching package, to which you select and apply.

[t]http://i.imgur.com/T66FREB.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;49172647]As in Archimedes > Taurus > Sabre?

[editline]23rd November 2015[/editline]

My merge[/QUOTE]

yah. So, buy the archimedes ($30) and a taur>sabre upgrade ($20), and you can fill the cost gap with the arch>taurus ($120) upgrade whenever you feel like it.

[Visorak06]

[QUOTE=dai;49172685]buying the CCU basically gives you an item that you have to manually redeem. You also don't need to own the ship you're buying it for
[/QUOTE]

Okay that makes more sense. So basically if I'm following this I don't HAVE to buy a Constellation right away to do this. I could (For theory's sake) buy a Mustang Beta for 55, upgrade to Constellation Taurus to make up the price difference in between, THEN apply that upgrade to convert it to a Khartu-Al?

Also, is there any way to get lifetime insurance on it? I'm doubtful, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

[Mai]

[QUOTE=Visorak06;49172699]Also, is there any way to get lifetime insurance on it? I'm doubtful, but it doesn't hurt to ask.[/QUOTE]

not if it's your only ship, no

[Mai]

if you spent $45 on an aurora/mustang game package and [I]then[/I] bought (and by bought i mean CCUd up from an LTI Archimedes) a khartu separately then yes it would

[dai]

[QUOTE=Visorak06;49172699]Okay that makes more sense. So basically if I'm following this I don't HAVE to buy a Constellation right away to do this. I could (For theory's sake) buy a Mustang Beta for 55, upgrade to Constellation Taurus to make up the price difference in between, THEN apply that upgrade to convert it to a Khartu-Al?

Also, is there any way to get lifetime insurance on it? I'm doubtful, but it doesn't hurt to ask.[/QUOTE]

LTI is only available on (newly available) concept ships like the P72. Sale is short, and they never have a game package. OLD backer packages were a different story but that's long gone

So if you really wanted that ship in LTI, I'd say get the cheapest game package for now ($45) and do what I was saying above, by shuffling around an archimedes.

in the meantime

[img]http://i.imgur.com/2lFBVJk.png[/img]

[Visorak06]

[QUOTE=the_killer24;49172720]if you spent $45 on an aurora/mustang game package and [I]then[/I] bought (and by bought i mean CCUd up from an LTI Archimedes) a khartu separately then yes it would[/QUOTE]

Cool, so that means I'd be able to keep a Mustang Beta on the side. If I can get the CCU credit without having to have that Taurus or what have you I could do that and then get that LTI Archimedes when I have the money. Is there a page for that with cost/LTI by the way?

[Mai]

[QUOTE=Visorak06;49172740]Is there a page for that with cost/LTI by the way?[/QUOTE]

huh?

anyway, if I were you and strapped for cash what I'd do is buy the Archimedes right now for $30 and then the Taurus to Khartu tomorrow ([url]https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ship-upgrades[/url]) for free (since those are time limited) and then buy the $120 Archimedes to Taurus and $45 starter later since the starter packs and the taurus are regular sale

you won't be able to play w/o a game package tho

[Visorak06]

[QUOTE=the_killer24;49172756]huh?

anyway, if I were you and strapped for cash what I'd do is buy the Archimedes right now for $30 and then the Taurus to Khartu tomorrow ([url]https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ship-upgrades[/url]) for free (since those are time limited) and then buy the $120 Archimedes to Taurus and $45 starter later since the starter packs and the taurus are regular sale

you won't be able to play w/o a game package tho[/QUOTE]

Ohhhh. I had no idea you could buy the ships themselves, I thought you HAD to buy them in a package. So just buy a cheap game package and that ship itself with LTI today, then the free upgrade CCU tomorrow, then when I feel like it upgrade the Archimedes to Taurus into CCU'd Khartu-Al. Okay NOW I get it. Thank you so much for the help, and Dai as well. I might actually get two of those Archimedes if I can upgrade it into another LTI ship I want.

[elix]

[QUOTE=Visorak06;49172822]Ohhhh. I had no idea you could buy the ships themselves, I thought you HAD to buy them in a package.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/extras?product_id=72"]The Standalone Ship extras store page is where you get single ships without packages.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Visorak06;49172699]Okay that makes more sense. So basically if I'm following this I don't HAVE to buy a Constellation right away to do this. I could (For theory's sake) buy a Mustang Beta for 55, upgrade to Constellation Taurus to make up the price difference in between, THEN apply that upgrade to convert it to a Khartu-Al?

Also, is there any way to get lifetime insurance on it? I'm doubtful, but it doesn't hurt to ask.[/QUOTE]

You can get LTI on the Khartu-al but you can't do it [B]and[/B] have it on a package. Here's what you would do:

1) Buy a game package of some other ship; e.g. the $45 starter pack containing either an Aurora or Mustang. This package doesn't get touched again for this because it's your ticket into the game.

2) Buy a P-72 Archimedes right now; as it's up for concept sale and is being revealed for the first time, it comes with LTI.

3) Buy a Connie Taurus->Khartu-al upgrade token for $0.

4) Buy a $120 Archimedes->Taurus token at your leisure, since the Taurus is on sale year round.

5) Apply the P-72>Taurus and Taurus>Khartu-al tokens in order, and you now have an LTI Khartu-al.

Important warning: If you melt the upgraded Khartu-al and decide to restore it later when the unmelting function comes online (being built by Turbulent right now), you will only restore the baseline Archimedes, and the upgrade tokens will be lost. The melt will give you the full amount you paid ($150) back to you in store credit, but the unmelt will not include the upgrades when it restores the ship, so you'll have $120 in store credit and a P-72 and it'll be up to you to apply the tokens again.

So, "buy" like 5 Taurus->Khartu tokens when they pop into the store, they're $0 each.

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;49172702]do the mustang omega and super hornet have cargo space?[/QUOTE]

No. The Omega has zero room for freight; it's a racer. The SH's ball turret takes up the space that the baseline Hornet uses for a cargo box, so it, too, has zero freight room.

goddamn I am so late I'd be put on a written warning if this was a job

[Visorak06]

Not sure why I'd melt a ship I really wanted, but I'll do that. Last question for anyone that knows: Is this sale tomorrow going to be limited? Like there's only so many upgrades that will be available before they're sold out, or what have you.

[Mai]

no

if you're [B][U][I]really[/I][/U][/B] quick you might be able to snatch up one of a thousand $30 game packages but other than that nope