[url]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2304478040[/url]
I think I did pretty well as PL in this match, but I just want to ask you guys for criticisms or suggestions on how to improve if possible
It seems like a huge amount of agility to build in a non agility hero, especially considering his already huge agility gain
[editline]18th April 2016[/editline]
in response to diffusal on Silencer
[QUOTE=joshuadim;50157800][URL]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2304478040[/URL]
I think I did pretty well as PL in this match, but I just want to ask you guys for criticisms or suggestions on how to improve if possible[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://yasp.co/matches/2304478040/[/URL]
stop using dotabuff for analysis theres nothing to glean from that shit
[QUOTE=joshuadim;50157800][url]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2304478040[/url]
I think I did pretty well as PL in this match, but I just want to ask you guys for criticisms or suggestions on how to improve if possible[/QUOTE]
You didn't get a 30+ minute radiance on PL which is good.
me, about a dozen times: hey guys, we're up against an ember spirit and an antimage so we'll need some kind of silence or hex if we really want to kill them
my team:
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[QUOTE=Vodkavia;50159471]You pressed R at a 4K MMR level[/QUOTE]
he won a 4v5, is what hes saying
8/10. Needs more mobility.
But looking at your match history you almost always get that, so I'mma make it 9/10.
Zeus is a hero that can do well even if you're a bad player.
[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50159975]Zeus is a hero that can do well even if you're a bad player.[/QUOTE]
Against other bad players sure. If you get shut down and the enemy gets a sizeable lead you become a walking creep when bkbs and pipes come into play
He enables you to do fine vs 1/1.5k mmr player above you mid easily.
[editline]19th April 2016[/editline]
2k Zeus can at the very least be near equal mid VS most of the 3.5k mid players, and 3k Zeus can hold on vs 4k mid player.
[QUOTE=KillRay;50158135][URL]https://yasp.co/matches/2304478040/[/URL]
stop using dotabuff for analysis theres nothing to glean from that shit[/QUOTE]
sorry
Actually I got wrecked mid, Tusk did 2 nice ganks on me, nice in the sense that I was too dumb to see them coming.
I came back and won anyway, Zeus still deals a million billion damage even when underfarmed.
He's the map nuke killstealer carry version of Skywrath except Sky doesn't build Refresher unless you're retarded
[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50160252]He enables you to do fine vs 1/1.5k mmr player above you mid easily.
[editline]19th April 2016[/editline]
2k Zeus can at the very least be near equal mid VS most of the 3.5k mid players, and 3k Zeus can hold on vs 4k mid player.[/QUOTE]
And then the player 1k ahead of you bullying you out of lane and your only game impact is ult
Lmfao how just spam arc lightning and your passive along with it will make the other guy's mid tough.
I don't think it's possible that you get forced out of the mid lane as Zeus.
[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50163659]Lmfao how just spam arc lightning and your passive along with it will make the other guy's mid tough.
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and then you push the wave too far and you open yourself to getting ganked just to stay in exp range. You usually want to avoid doing this on heroes without an escape.
[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50163659]I don't think it's possible that you get forced out of the mid lane as Zeus.[/QUOTE]
If the enemy team is rotating to grab the runes, you dont stand much of a chance of hitting any last hits without mana for arch.
[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50163659]Lmfao how just spam arc lightning and your passive along with it will make the other guy's mid tough.
I don't think it's possible that you get forced out of the mid lane as Zeus.[/QUOTE]
It's true that Zeus has a really easy time to get last hits (and a really fucking quick bottle), and if you go 1 in arc lightning and 1 in static field you'll probably harass most other mids pretty well; however none of that changes the fact that Zeus is easy as shit to gank. Zeus deals a shitload of damage but at any point of the game you'll be pretty susceptible to stuns and silencers or just overall burst damage, which is why positioning and item builds are really important on him. Yeah you'll find nary a problem in lower skilled games but go a bit higher and people make it a point to make his life miserable.
It's not that hard to play Zeus, no, but it definitely isn't easy either, just like most heroes. People claiming that he's just R or some other such nonsense are missing the point, really.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;50160186]Against other bad players sure. If you get shut down and the enemy gets a sizeable lead you become a walking creep when bkbs and pipes come into play[/QUOTE]
Not really an example where zeus got shut down, but:
In a [URL="http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2301683931"]recent game[/URL] I played Everyone on the enemy team (except 1 player) had BKB.
Our Zeus still managed to contribute a lot.
I think he had an Eul's Scepter at one point but sold it.
[QUOTE=ASIC;50164340]Not really an example where zeus got shut down, but:
In a [URL="http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2301683931"]recent game[/URL] I played Everyone on the enemy team (except 1 player) had BKB.
Our Zeus still managed to contribute a lot.
I think he had an Eul's Scepter at one point but sold it.[/QUOTE]
You did 5.7k hero damage in a 1 hour game as Clinkz?
I got put in low priority a 3rd time this week. :v:
[QUOTE=mochisushi;50164933]You did 5.7k hero damage in a 1 hour game as Clinkz?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Clovis;50165060]yeah thats a pretty piss poor effort, especially if you have an orchid. did you even use that to kill people lmao[/QUOTE]
I had around 500 ping for most of the game, so I wasn't able to help my team much.
I did use the orchid to silence tinker a few times.
On a semi-related note I just realized that Zeus had 50k hero damage.
why do u keep running around with brownboots in every game
i know travels are great but stop it! thats not good build
[editline]20th April 2016[/editline]
its like dota 101. if youre not rushing travels, you upgrade your boots
[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;50163738]and then you push the wave too far and you open yourself to getting ganked just to stay in exp range. You usually want to avoid doing this on heroes without an escape.
If the enemy team is rotating to grab the runes, you dont stand much of a chance of hitting any last hits without mana for arch.[/QUOTE]
Lol and there is no item called observer ward in this game or even something called common sense? You try really hard to justify this easy as shit hero who can comeback into the game fairly easily, not to mention even if he gets ganked early on he can trade 1 for 1 most of the time thanks to his ridiculously strong nukes early on.
If the lane is really pushed on then get a smoke and go for a gank after you go for a rune. After your gank the creep equilibrium should be balanced back.
[quote]its like dota 101. if youre not rushing travels, you upgrade your boots[/quote]
Not necessarily, even if you're a support most of the time support items have higher priority than your upgraded boots, and heroes like BM and Huskar don't need upgraded boots.
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;50166785]why do u keep running around with brownboots in every game
i know travels are great but stop it! thats not good build
[editline]20th April 2016[/editline]
its like dota 101. if youre not rushing travels, you upgrade your boots[/QUOTE]
How viable is a Travels Rush anyways?
[QUOTE=ASIC;50167014]How viable is a Travels Rush anyways?[/QUOTE]
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And heroes who generally buy Travels in their first 3 major items
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And heroes who generally buy Travels in their first 3 major items
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[t]http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/d/d5/Naga_Siren.png[/t]
[t]http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/4/4d/Arc_Warden.png?version=24896d79431c9940d65661a783e2f658[/t][/QUOTE]
With Tinker it isn't really Viable, so much as necessary for the hero.
I get most of those, but why Morphling?
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And heroes who generally buy Travels in their first 3 major items
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[t]http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/1/15/Lycan.png[/t]
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[t]http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/4/4d/Arc_Warden.png?version=24896d79431c9940d65661a783e2f658[/t][/QUOTE]
meepo is up there too
zeus bots rush is pretty good since u need to refill ur mana pool a lot
sm too had the same idea when he was played mid sometimes. you dump ur whole mana pool in a lane, run back and tp in
this is merlini advice though so I suggest u have skill on the heroes
[editline]20th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50166946]Lol and there is no item called observer ward in this game or even something called common sense? You try really hard to justify this easy as shit hero who can comeback into the game fairly easily, not to mention even if he gets ganked early on he can trade 1 for 1 most of the time thanks to his ridiculously strong nukes early on.
If the lane is really pushed on then get a smoke and go for a gank after you go for a rune. After your gank the creep equilibrium should be balanced back.
Not necessarily, even if you're a support most of the time support items have higher priority than your upgraded boots, and heroes like BM and Huskar don't need upgraded boots.[/QUOTE]
This post is so cocky that I assume uve never played against good mids who can control the wave to keep it on their hill
Zeus is a safe later but he's not fool proof lol
[QUOTE=Dzonintz;50166946]Lol and there is no item called observer ward in this game or even something called common sense? You try really hard to justify this easy as shit hero who can comeback into the game fairly easily, not to mention even if he gets ganked early on he can trade 1 for 1 most of the time thanks to his ridiculously strong nukes early on.
If the lane is really pushed on then get a smoke and go for a gank after you go for a rune. After your gank the creep equilibrium should be balanced back.[/QUOTE]
Again, I'm not saying Zeus isn't easy to play as; he's a really simple and powerful nuker. But you're still clearly not understanding what I (and others) have said. I could ask for your MMR or some shit to prove (or disprove) my point, but really that doesn't matter.
If the enemy team aren't actively going to make your game hard, you're going to have an easy time. But Zeus is easy as shit to gank with a smoke if you have any gank-worthy supports on your team. And if you get a bottle or a magic wand on mid you're not going to be in danger of a zeus solo killing you either. Simply put, if your opponents aren't respecting the zeus no shit they're going to get rolled over.
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