I don't like that they keep lowering the gold cost of courier, wards, and tp scrolls. It's ridiculous. Soon enough the courier will be free and automatically upgrade at the 3 minute mark, I swear.
[QUOTE=ASIC;50199380]We LOL now.[/QUOTE]
i want to point out you need like 80 int for even a 5% increase, just buy a lens
who really cares
[QUOTE=KillRay;50199629]i want to point out you need like 80 int for even a 5% increase, just buy a lens
who really cares[/QUOTE]
If the idea improves the game, who cares where it came from.
Also have people forgot about aether lense?
[QUOTE=themooselord;50199639]If the idea improves the game, who cares where it came from.
Also have people forgot about aether lense?[/QUOTE]
im talking about the % damage increase from int and how inconsequential it is...
[QUOTE=KillRay;50199629]i want to point out you need like 80 int for even a 5% increase, just buy a lens
who really cares[/QUOTE]
People have been spewing that tired line for years, why reply to it.
That armlet change is going to be fun.
[QUOTE=KillRay;50199629]i want to point out you need like 80 int for even a 5% increase, just buy a lens
who really cares[/QUOTE]
im, not saying its bad.
Disappointed that they didn't update hero response rules. So many heroes are still missing responses when picking up an Arcane rune. :cry:
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Dat TB buff, literally 10 armor at lvl 1
that oracle aganim is nice too
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;50199662]People have been spewing that tired line for years, why reply to it.[/QUOTE]
im only replying to it since he was the only one i saw to mention the change to int damage
again, im just pointing out its a useless change because its such a small increase
PA + Echo Saber sounds fucking ridiculously fun to play with. Not so much against.
I kinda hate the new Blade Mail though. If it was one or the other change, I wouldn't really mind at all but both of them sound stupid. It's a 2k item that basically halts most cores attacks on you.
Holy shit that actually makes Bristleback so good, though.
[QUOTE=Rarara;50199613]I don't like that they keep lowering the gold cost of courier, wards, and tp scrolls. It's ridiculous. Soon enough the courier will be free and automatically upgrade at the 3 minute mark, I swear.[/QUOTE]
i dont see how supports having more flexibility to build items and be more impactful is a bad thing at all tho
[QUOTE=I am Error;50199712]PA + Echo Saber sounds fucking ridiculously fun to play with. Not so much against.
I kinda hate the new Blade Mail though. If it was one or the other change, I wouldn't really mind at all but both of them sound stupid. It's a 2k item that basically halts most cores attacks on you.
Holy shit that actually makes Bristleback so good, though.[/QUOTE]
It now reflects unreduced damage.
That'll be fun with axe.
[QUOTE=I am Error;50199712]PA + Echo Saber sounds fucking ridiculously fun to play with. Not so much against.[/QUOTE]
Awful waste of gold tbh, entirely reliant on RNG and PA building into orchid sounds terrible when icefrog continually assfucks evasion every patch.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;50199796]Awful waste of gold tbh, entirely reliant on RNG and PA building into orchid sounds terrible when icefrog continually assfucks evasion every patch.[/QUOTE]
Uh you're mixing up the items. Echo saber is the one with 2x attacks and a slow every 5 seconds. Gives PA every stat she wants, too.
That also means that her Stifling Daggers are a fucking pain in the ass with the rework if it works like I think it does.
[QUOTE=ASIC;50199427]God terrorblade starts with 10 fucking armor now.[/QUOTE]
maybe now he'll be useful
and now viper's poison attack isn't a modifier anymore
drow when lol
Kinda happy for TB. They nerfed the living daylights out of him and now we have spectres running around like its nobody's business
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;50199851]This has got to be the most obscure new-age-Dota patch. What are these changes?
I don't like to repeat this cliche joke but someone please tell me what the fuck has IceFrog been smoking?[/QUOTE]
To be honest, even when the changes sound supremely silly (as they do right now), there wont be any giant changes apart from hero picks and itemization. Apart from that the only thing that sounds like a "big" change would be Scan and it's not all that amazing really.
[QUOTE=I am Error;50199840]Uh you're mixing up the items.[/QUOTE]
No I'm not. Echo saber is only worth it if you double crit, other than that it's pretty shit on her. She doesn't need int, she doesn't need mana regen, the strength is decent, and the damage is whatever. It's a 2.6k gimmick and 1.6k of that goes NOWHERE on her if you disassemble it for later. Massive waste of money on her. It's a Brood and situational BH Legion item.
12 seconds of mystic flare
30 seconds of macropyre
+20 damage on fade bolt
rubick mid is back!
ehehehehe the sniper shrapnel buff, and the dragon lance build up
[I]we shall rise again[/I]
Also that Macropyre aghs is fucking bonkers now, that's the most absurd area denial I've ever seen in dota
[QUOTE]Tome of Knowledge
Costs: 150 gold
Use: Grants you 425 experience.
Starts out of stock, increments stock every 10 minutes[/QUOTE]
The perfect item for [sp] Selfish Mid players [/sp]
[QUOTE=Nightfury;50199924]The perfect item for [sp] Selfish Mid players [/sp][/QUOTE]
Can't wait for "noob support/carry/offlane stole tome, i feed now."
[QUOTE=-nesto-;50199899]No I'm not. Echo saber is only worth it if you double crit, other than that it's pretty shit on her. She doesn't need int, she doesn't need mana regen, the strength is decent, and the damage is whatever. It's a 2.6k gimmick and 1.6k of that goes NOWHERE on her if you disassemble it for later. Massive waste of money on her. It's a Brood and situational BH Legion item.[/QUOTE]
I thought you mentioned Orchid because of Bloodthorn, my bad. Besides, 800 gold loss is hardly a massive waste of money when you can get a second of 100% slow every 5 seconds. The double attack is honestly not even the main point as much as a complete stop on both attack and movement is.
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;50199771]i dont see how supports having more flexibility to build items and be more impactful is a bad thing at all tho[/QUOTE]
Supports in general already get a lot of gold and are potent in combat. I don't like the idea of the hero role that's not supposed to have a ton of items reliably getting a 2-3k gold item at the 10-15 min mark every game while still being superior in combat for a large portion of the game.
Very disappointing to see not a single Techies change for two patches now. Landmines are useless as ever and they still can't be stacked rendering them doubly as useless.
[URL="http://rimbas4.github.io/dotkalculator/"]Holy fuck I'll have to redo all my formulas[/URL]
Direct Nature's Prophet buff with that Orchid item.
Bloodseeker Blademail bloodrage amp strat more viable with more str and magic immunity priece.
Kinda hate that abyssal is now a more utility/cc item now.
[QUOTE=Rarara;50199976]Supports in general already get a lot of gold and are potent in combat. I don't like the idea of the hero role that's not supposed to have a ton of items reliably getting a 2-3k gold item at the 10-15 min mark every game while still being superior in combat for a large portion of the game.
Very disappointing to see not a single Techies change for two patches now. Landmines are useless as ever and they still can't be stacked rendering them doubly as useless.[/QUOTE]
Most supports work early game without items, because that's kind of what they're meant to do. Unless you're steamrolling through the enemy team supports also most of them time don't get a lot of gold; I play a shit ton of role 5 games and since I keep buying every ward and such I usually have jack shit in terms of gold and exp if the rotations are more reactionary than ganks, which they usually are.
That said you shouldn't really look at yourself or me or whoever in this thread for comparison. In general supports really don't get that much gold or exp if they're doing the things they should be doing, IE rotating the lanes, reacting to enemy ganks, ganking enemies themselves and stacking/pulling.
[QUOTE=I am Error;50199939]I thought you mentioned Orchid because of Bloodthorn, my bad. Besides, 800 gold loss is hardly a massive waste of money when you can get a second of 100% slow every 5 seconds. The double attack is honestly not even the main point as much as a complete stop on both attack and movement is.[/QUOTE]
What, where are you even getting your numbers from. Oblivion staff is 1650 gold, wasted on PA. You don't get a second of 100% slow, you get 0.6. That's entirely negligible on a 5 second CD on a melee hero. Sniper gets the exact same slow with headshot on a 40% proc and you can still jump his ass. The geminate for melee heroes is the core of the item but it's wasted(or balanced) because everyone that wants to build it invests 1650g that they can't turn into another item later on.
[quote]Tempest Double ability/item cooldowns now persist on the unit[/quote]
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Echo Sabre on tiny is th ebest thing ever, actually my core item now between blink and scepter.
arc warden is total trash now i think
[QUOTE=Yahnich;50200047]its mostly to nerf midas abuse, you can still ult before using your items and then use them[/QUOTE]
Thanks I know what it's for, I play the hero a lot
I'm disgusted because now the hero is going to be clunky as fuck to use
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