[QUOTE=Bordellimies;49520144]Also we got a fire team!
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/3twfsSq.png[/IMG]
Ember as well.[/QUOTE]
What, no Lina?
Phoenix is so under-rated. Those attack-speed slows in a team fight along with the "lololololoollfuckingfireegg" ulti is just devastating.
Provided you don't jump in and ulti without slowing enemies like Sniper otherwise you're silly.
[QUOTE=Trixxter;49520563]Phoenix is so under-rated. Those attack-speed slows in a team fight along with the "lololololoollfuckingfireegg" ulti is just devastating.
Provided you don't jump in and ulti without slowing enemies like Sniper otherwise you're silly.[/QUOTE]
Is Phoenix underrated? It's not a broken op pick but its not trash by any means, a wp Phoenix can dish out some serious aoe dmg
[QUOTE=Louis;49520705]Is Phoenix underrated? It's not a broken op pick but its not trash by any means, a wp Phoenix can dish out some serious aoe dmg[/QUOTE]
When it first came out i played arround 9 matches in a row with her, to remember the old good times of Dota 1. I won pretty much all of them! It was very easy to annoy the fuck out of everyone on lane and do well on teamfights. I guess people just don't want to learn how to play with her. It's a versatile hero but everyone just wants to press R in the middle of the teamfights...
Also, [B]what is all that about Invoker this patch?[/B] He can get a single skill on level 1 now and he's stronger on the [U]max level[/U], but it's just this!
To me he still the same from previous patches, people just started to play with him more and the ones complaining realised just now how strong he is.
I'm going to get dissapointed if they nerf him... This is a stupid thing from Riot Games, don't copy it ice frog, don't nerf heroes just because people are crying about them!
It demands skill and pratice to play well as Invoker, he [U]needs[/U] to be strong! Meepo, for example, can destroy every single thing in his way if played properly. Now, imagine that there's a good Meepo on every game. People will start comaplining about him too!
Want to nerf something? Nerf Slark! The most ridiculous hero of the game and the one i hate the most.
- Enormous scape capacity
- Enormous speed
- Heals all his HP in seconds
- Low mana cost on skills
- Immune to all damage besides AoE dmg while on his ultimate
- Steals agility for enormous amout of time
[B]- Removes disables[/B]
- Can force enemies to stay where they are, getting damaged
- Deals damage in area
Leave Invoker alone. It took me 60 matches to play well with him, fuck off...
Let's not start on the "let's nerf Slark" bandwagon again.
Invoker was nerfed because he was ludicrously good at all stages of the game (Alacrity early and all of his spells late). He has to be weak early to make up for how good he is mid/late.
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0U7_74DIUI[/media]
This might help.
Slark is actually pretty balanced insofar as pub heroes go. He's actually pretty damn squishy if he doesn't get levels, so just pick some nukers and have some fried fish.
I'm getting tired of people complaining about Slark. Just as bad as the ones who bitch about Sniper and Riki.
"- Enormous scape capacity
- Enormous speed
- Heals all his HP in seconds
- Low mana cost on skills
- Immune to all damage besides AoE dmg while on his ultimate
- Steals agility for enormous amout of time
- Removes disables
- Can force enemies to stay where they are, getting damaged
- Deals damage in area"
Discut Dota on ther internet is such a waste of time! Everyone believes on different things and no one change their minds. To me, slark being ridiculously overpower is a fact, nothing will change that except a nice nerf. If i had to repeat this list up this comment... As said, waste of time, i just give up right here!
You can repeat the list as much as you like. That doesn't make it a discussion, that just makes it you stating your opinion and refusing to listen to others.
I already posted a few ways you can deal with Slark in that video.
[QUOTE=SgtWoodsy;49520955]You can repeat the list as much as you like. That doesn't make it a discussion, that just makes it you stating your opinion and refusing to listen to others.
I already posted a few ways you can deal with Slark in that video.[/QUOTE]
The list are features from the hero, not opinions! The hero can do all of that, this is just ridiculous.
"There are ways to deal with him"
There are ways to deal with everything, but it doesn't work like that. It's not "oh just do that", this is dumb lazy argument, and that's why i refuse to discust any longer.
I'll just wait for the next subject
[QUOTE]- Enormous scape capacity[/quote]
So does Weaver, yet nobody says that Weaver has too much escape capacity.
[QUOTE]- Enormous speed[/quote]
Wards, Bloodseeker, otherwise keep eyes on him. It's not that difficult.
[QUOTE]- Heals all his HP in seconds[/quote]
Again, vision, otherwise, do not re-engage when he buggers off and you don't have a lot of HP. Besides his ult has a long CD, so either bait it out or be prepared to deal with a semi-invis hero with essentially three hearts.
[QUOTE]- Low mana cost on skills[/quote]
Except for Dark Pact, his other spells are actually pretty expensive to spam for his rather small mana pool.
[QUOTE]- Immune to all damage besides AoE dmg while on his ultimate[/quote]
He isn't immune. He's just not targetable because he's invisible, but not really. There's a ton of AoE damage spells that this shouldn't be an issue provided you counterpick correctly.
[QUOTE]- Steals agility for enormous amout of time[/quote]
If you let him live. Once he dies, poof, there goes the +20 Essence Shift stack.
[QUOTE]- Removes disables[/quote]
There's a lot of spells that aren't dispelled by Dark Pact, look 'em up.
[QUOTE]- Can force enemies to stay where they are, getting damaged[/quote]
If you got caught out, that's your damn fault for not keeping vision on him.
[QUOTE]- Deals damage in area[/quote]
Early on, Dark Pact is a pretty big nuke, but by midgame, it's decent at best. Also, keep in mind that half of that damage is dealt to him, so be sure to nuke him down.
Can you stop complaining?
[QUOTE=Clovis;49520890]Are you guys kidding? Slark is not good at all. You can't say he's broken if he stomps you, cause he can ball out of control. So can many other heroes in the game. It's just the game.[/QUOTE]
being a snowball hero doesnt necessarily make him bad, but he's not good either. he's just an average pub pick, nowhere near as good as some people claim
[QUOTE=delular100;49520983]The list are features from the hero, not opinions! The hero can do all of that, this is just ridiculous.
[/QUOTE]
you can make any hero sound ridiculous by exaggeratedly listing all of their strengths, which is essentially what you did
The only thing I dislike about slark is that he can purge Fiend's Grip
[QUOTE=Quq;49521032]you can make any hero sound ridiculous by exaggeratedly listing all of their strengths, which is essentially what you did[/QUOTE]
I mean Doom has a single-target ult that does damage, mutes, not dispellable, and lasts for like 30 seconds! He's definitely OP!
I think Slark is a very strong hero, but he isn't OP because he can be countered relatively easily.
Is OD's orb supposed to go though omniknight's ult? I thought it blocked you from even right clicking them
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;49521422]This discussion about Slark being OP reminds me of a great counter to him and many other heroes like him. [B]Shadow Demon[/B]. He is like the king of hell, literally. Everything the hero does is godsent in pubs.
Disruption is like the best spell in the game. Not only can it save your allies, set up spells or just simply keep someone from the fight for 2,5 seconds but it also makes illusions. Two 12 second, 60% damage illusions.
He also offers Demonic Purge which [B]unmakes[/B] melee carries. A 5 second lasting, BKB piercing 100% slow with insane cast range and low cooldown. And with Scepter you get 3 charges and it applies [B]break[/B].
He also, of course, has his trademark Poison which is great against enemies who let you stack it and Soul Catcher which punishes bad positioning. He also has great base AD which, combined with his Poison and Disruption, can force most offlaners out. Shadow Poison can also be used to both stack the jungle for your team and farm it.
All in all, he excels against all the little righty-clicky agility carries that pubbies love to fill their games with and offers many tools that are invaluable in pubs. Just hope that someone else has hard crowd control in your team.[/QUOTE]
Slark can purge the shadow poison stacks before they get into high numbers. Which is fucking dumb as all hell.
[QUOTE=kiloy;49521450]Is OD's orb supposed to go though omniknight's ult? I thought it blocked you from even right clicking them[/QUOTE]
Omni ult grants immunity against all physical damage, but the damage dealt by OD orbs is pure.
The only thing that I really don't like about Slark is that his DP purge is inconsistent, so it might be difficult remembering which debuffs work against him.
[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;49521422]This discussion about Slark being OP reminds me of a great counter to him and many other heroes like him. [B]Shadow Demon[/B]. He is like the king of hell, literally. Everything the hero does is godsent in pubs.
Disruption is like the best spell in the game. Not only can it save your allies, set up spells or just simply keep someone from the fight for 2,5 seconds but it also makes illusions. Two 12 second, 60% damage illusions.
He also offers Demonic Purge which [B]unmakes[/B] melee carries. A 5 second lasting, BKB piercing 100% slow with insane cast range and low cooldown. And with Scepter you get 3 charges and it applies [B]break[/B].
He also, of course, has his trademark Poison which is great against enemies who let you stack it and Soul Catcher which punishes bad positioning. He also has great base AD which, combined with his Poison and Disruption, can force most offlaners out. Shadow Poison can also be used to both stack the jungle for your team and farm it.
All in all, he excels against all the little righty-clicky agility carries that pubbies love to fill their games with and offers many tools that are invaluable in pubs. Just hope that someone else has hard crowd control in your team.[/QUOTE]
not only is shadow demon an underwhelming hero in general, but what about any of that actually counters slark?
Isn't Bloodseeker a decent counter to Slark?
BS can prevent a Slark from bullshitting his way out of a near death experience by jumping into some trees
[editline]13th January 2016[/editline]
Pudge also works, Slark's ult and punce are pretty useless if a Pudge is a good hooker
[QUOTE=red_pharoah;49521742]Isn't Bloodseeker a decent counter to Slark?
BS can prevent a Slark from bullshitting his way out of a near death experience by jumping into some trees
[editline]13th January 2016[/editline]
Pudge also works, Slark's ult and punce are pretty useless if a Pudge is a good hooker[/QUOTE]
Good Slarks can purge Pudge's ult. I've managed to escape from Pudges who try to dismember me.
If you're quick enough, you [I]can[/I] pounce away, but often times it won't work because you'll leash unto Pudge. Although I use that to my advantage: immediately use both pounce and DP so that I leash the Pudge in place, purge the Dismember, then run away while the Pudge curses at my dexterity.
Bloodcyka, on the other hand, is a direct counter to Slark.
[QUOTE=G.I.U.L.I.O.;49521665]The only thing that I really don't like about Slark is that his DP purge is inconsistent, so it might be difficult remembering which debuffs work against him.[/QUOTE]
If you had to guess which one of Bane's spells can't be dispelled, would you have gone with Enfeeble?
'cause that's the only one.
[QUOTE=unlimi_Ted;49521795]If you had to guess which one of Bane's spells can't be dispelled, would you have gone with Enfeeble?
'cause that's the only one.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, makes little sense IMO.
Speaking about slark, SA players recommend him for ranked and make it sound like picking him is an instant win and nothing can defeat them. I have seen plenty of slarks getting destroyed by competent teams, or because they miss the point of the hero very hard.
Something that makes little sense to me is why lifestealer can infest ancients.
[QUOTE=leonthefox;49522036]Something that makes little sense to me is why lifestealer can infest ancients.[/QUOTE]
They're big and he can make a lot of room for himself inside them.
What is more questionable is why can he infest kobolds and lane creeps when they're smaller than he is..
Lifestealer is Samus Aran's distant cousin, duh
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Nevermind about slark, I was wrong, retards won't look at the map, pay attention to anyone's warning or pings really.
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