It's worrying the amount of people who [B]still[/B] don't know what Ursa's ult does
[QUOTE=Quq;49601647]It's worrying the amount of people who don't know that Spirit Bear has 300 mana[/QUOTE]
Are you gonna call me out every single time by quoting that post?
[QUOTE=red_pharoah;49601656]It's worrying the amount of people who [B]still[/B] don't know what Ursa's ult does[/QUOTE]
He's kinda like abbadon
"Oh shit guys he ulted, better cyclone/stun him"
Not the other team, I'm talking about the people who play as Ursa and Ult 3 seconds before a fight
[QUOTE=red_pharoah;49601656]It's worrying the amount of people who [B]still[/B] don't know what Ursa's ult does[/QUOTE]
I swear, his Aghs is so retardedly good. Short of Orchid and CC or chaining him he's unstoppable
[QUOTE=leonthefox;49601666]Are you gonna call me out every single time by quoting that post?[/QUOTE]
yeah
[t]http://i.imgur.com/ngXuD0x.jpg[/t]
Here we see pudge attempt to clear Chen's 5 catapults with rot.
Fun times here in the trench.
[QUOTE=lord0war;49602291][t]http://i.imgur.com/ngXuD0x.jpg[/t]
Here we see pudge attempt to clear Chen's 5 catapults with rot.
Fun times here in the trench.[/QUOTE]
What's better is that Chen didn't make the catapults ignore Pudge
[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;49601733]I swear, his Aghs is so retardedly good. Short of Orchid and CC or chaining him he's unstoppable[/QUOTE]
Yeah, silence prevents him from using his ult even with Aghs.
I don't personally find his Aghs a worthwhile choice in most scenarios. I would usually rather spend the gold on BKB or Basher/S&Y. Remember that the thing with Ursa is outrageous DPS and any time not spent slapping people is a massive setback. BKB is almost always going to give you more uninterrupted attacks than dispelling stuff after the fact.
What are some good tips for actively improving as a player? I'm nowhere near the level as a lot of you in this thread and I'm looking to get out of the trench
I realize it's a hugely vague question but just general tips would be great
[QUOTE=cheetahben;49602482]What are some good tips for actively improving as a player? I'm nowhere near the level as a lot of you in this thread and I'm looking to get out of the trench
I realize it's a hugely vague question but just general tips would be great[/QUOTE]
Well since it's such a general and vague question I'd say watch your replays, the amount of stuff you can learn, especially from your losses will really help you out and show you what you could improve on.
That's about all I can say though because a lot of it just depends on what you could change in [I]your[/I] gameplay, maybe your decision making could be better, maybe you should look at the clock and minimap more, maybe you could place more wards, etc.
[QUOTE=cheetahben;49602482]What are some good tips for actively improving as a player? I'm nowhere near the level as a lot of you in this thread and I'm looking to get out of the trench
I realize it's a hugely vague question but just general tips would be great[/QUOTE]
My strategy at the moment (I started out at like 2500mmr two days ago, up to 2760 by the end of one day of doing this) is to instantly grab abaddon and literally drag my idiot players to victory.
Start with orb of venom, tangos, and either a stout or a quelling blade, depending on my lane choice of safe or offlane and what role I am going to need to fill after everyone picks their hero.
I get boots, either tranquils or phase depending on if I am going to need to use my Q to heal quite often early in the game or if I am going to need to be mobile more often than what tranquils allow for.
Then I get either vlad's or MoM (I have yet to actually get MoM though) so that my idiots can get lifesteal without building it themselves, and the damage increase to aid in teamfights.
After this I get a yasha, further increasing movement speed which helps ensure that I can arrive in a timely fashion when someone gets engaged on or they decide to start a fight when I am not close by. Then get a sange to complete the combo. By this point your speed and slows are absolutely ridiculous, nothing can escape short of the spirits (storm, ember, earth, or someone with a similarly bullshit escape plan to those three, since you lack any kind of stun).
Then build an aghanims, which is another step down the road of dragging the idiots to victory. Redirecting 50% of all damage in a 900 aoe is a massive game changer in teamfights. Now if the enemy is smart enough to ignore you doesn't matter at all, you still get healed and your team is half-immortal.
If by some curse you still haven't won get a basher.
Something you might need to get good at doing is pre-emptively activating your ultimate if they have a high damage nuker on the enemy team, such as lion or lina, or perhaps anyone that regularly builds a blink dagger. They can outright kill you if they are smart or stack debuffs on you (veil of discord/eth blade). Also watch out for PA.
It usually isn't as bad as it sounds, you can activate your ultimate at any time as long as you are not silenced. You can still turn it on manually if you are stunned.
Other than that, abaddon has a bunch of perks to help bring about a victory, quite often in these low mmr games I'm mucking through the enemy only has one support (typically no support), which means they probably don't have many stuns, or the ones they do have take a high amount of mana for the carry to cast (see: Sven), so your shield is incredibly valuable since it dispels almost all negative effects, as well as giving damage block and a huge nuke in a decent aoe.
Abaddons Q has a decent range, so it can be used to cancel out blink daggers on an enemy, which you should be able to get in range to do with phase boots and yasha.
And the passive abaddon gets slows the enemy's attack speed and movement speed, while also increasing those on anyone who right clicks that enemy. Abaddon essentially gives people a free item with his passive at level 4 (that is to say, a very short term yasha). You really shouldn't ever max this out before Q and W though. Even if you are the carry, the damage/heal/ability to deny self with Q is much more valuable than the bonus to everyone's typically lackluster right clicking ability early in the game.
He's asking about how to get better as a player, not how to pick a strong hero and stomp retards with it to get higher numbers on your profile. There's more to it than that.
[QUOTE=Louis;49602539]He's asking about how to get better as a player, not how to pick a strong hero and stomp retards with it to get higher numbers on your profile. There's more to it than that.[/QUOTE]
There is, but honestly playing in low tier mmr doesn't help you get better. It just helps you learn how to beat idiots when you only have idiots to rely on as well. But I suppose that is all I really said how to do. My apologies.
[QUOTE=cheetahben;49602482]What are some good tips for actively improving as a player? I'm nowhere near the level as a lot of you in this thread and I'm looking to get out of the trench
I realize it's a hugely vague question but just general tips would be great[/QUOTE]
Positioning, efficient and appropriate movement & farming for your role, and game sense & knowledge are the most important things across any role.
Practice and try to get a feel for ranges, knowing how close you need to be and how close you CAN be due to the level of durability with your hero is super important to getting damage and utility off without dying in the process. Game sense ties into positioning as well, getting an idea of what other people will be/are currently doing lets you know where is safe to farm or stand.
Good rotations and farming patterns are something you really have to practice as well, and watching high level streams can help show you what to do for them. There honestly isnt' much I can add to this though.
Game sense and knowledge cover a LOT of things. Game sense is really just something you'll learn over time, through playing the game. Knowing when to initiate, when you can Rosh, where unseen enemy heroes would likely be, etc. all come to you naturally as you get a feel for playing the game yourself. It's best to err on the side of caution and take fights or Rosh when your heroes (would) outnumber theirs, and if enemies are missing, assume they're not far away, especially if they were last seen nearby. Never count out someone to be carrying a teleport scroll.
Game knowledge is something you can learn directly though, through learning matchups, what situational items to buy and when, etc., and you'll also likely pick up on things while just playing.
Analyzing your own replays and asking someone good to analyze your replays will help a LOT, since seeing it from the outside offers an entirely different perspective on the match.
!!!Carry a tp scroll and make sure to tp when people are in trouble!!! !!!Upgrade courier when you play support dont be greedy!!!
The amount of people I have to yell at to buy at tp scroll when they have a slot and then have to beg them to tp to my lane if im getting dove only to hear "I'm out of mana I cant do anything anyway!!" Because they dont realize that a tp is all that you need sometimes to scare people off, even if you're on 1hp that sign that an ally is coming to help you can be enough to stop 2 people fucking you up the ass on your own tower and so many people dont realize this.
Carrying a scroll is so deeply ingrained into my mind at this point that I forgot to include it in my post
lmao
[QUOTE=cheetahben;49602482]What are some good tips for actively improving as a player? I'm nowhere near the level as a lot of you in this thread and I'm looking to get out of the trench
I realize it's a hugely vague question but just general tips would be great[/QUOTE]
I'm not good either,with 160 matches under my belt I would say partying up and just practicing with friends keep things controlled with much less people not supporting,helping and it's more fun.I've learned much more from playing in parties than just playing with random players.
My new favourite pastime is taking Ench mid against all these Invoker spammers and completely denying them any farm while freefarming lance/drums/aghs. Although Ench lacks the burst damage to easily kill him he can easily die from autoattacks if he is stubborn. Plus Ench is very adept at surviving ganks that are likely to follow your control over him.
[QUOTE=lord0war;49602291][t]http://i.imgur.com/ngXuD0x.jpg[/t]
Here we see pudge attempt to clear Chen's 5 catapults with rot.
Fun times here in the trench.[/QUOTE]
Those items, and I thought my pudges were bad enough :v:
oh wait nevermind, at least that pudge got blink.
[QUOTE=cheetahben;49602482]What are some good tips for actively improving as a player? I'm nowhere near the level as a lot of you in this thread and I'm looking to get out of the trench
I realize it's a hugely vague question but just general tips would be great[/QUOTE]
Win more, lose less.
Also the best general tips I can give you are:
Pay attention to the minimap
Watch your postioning and be aware of your surroundings.
[editline]25th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=ferrus;49603495]My new favourite pastime is taking Ench mid against all these Invoker spammers and completely denying them any farm while freefarming lance/drums/aghs. Although Ench lacks the burst damage to easily kill him he can easily die from autoattacks if he is stubborn. Plus Ench is very adept at surviving ganks that are likely to follow your control over him.[/QUOTE]
Oh man, I tried this once, they had a pudge roaming, the one time i got hooked I used sprites and simply walked off. I don't feel confident enough to do this in ranked but is tons of fun
[editline]25th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Yahnich;49603837]literally nothing wrong with any of those items[/QUOTE]
No aether lenses, that's my biggest problem.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;49603890]aether lens is a shit item on pudge since the nerf tbh, it ups your rot self damage and without the magic resistance to negate that it's not worth it until you have healthy regen (20+ hp/s at least), a sizeable hp pool or a form of magic resistance[/QUOTE]
1500 range hooks and non-melee range dismembers are still a valid reason to acquire the item.
[editline] yeah [/editline]
There's a reason it still retains its still the highest picked up on Pudge, with the closest contender (Zeus) being 1.2 million purchases behind.
While this number may be distorted due to Pudge's popularity, 200 units on a position modifying effect is never anything to scoff at.
Sure, rot hurts more without the magic resist of the item(and his winrate took a slight loss of .40%), but much of the boom of Pudge in this meta came from the increased range of Hook and Blink Dagger ranges that came from Aether Lens.
The rest of Pudge's popularity is just pure power creep.
[editline] another thing [/editline]
The increased magic damage of rot is also innately nulled by;
1) his passive
2) The % damage increase also applies to the amount you heal off of dismember anyways
[QUOTE=MaxisOp;49603932]1500 range hooks and non-melee range dismembers are still a valid reason to acquire the item.
[editline] yeah [/editline]
There's a reason it still retains its still the highest picked up on Pudge, with the closest contender (Zeus) being 1.2 million purchases behind.
While this number may be distorted due to Pudge's popularity, 200 units on a position modifying effect is never anything to scoff at.
Sure, rot hurts more without the magic resist of the item(and his winrate took a slight loss of .40%), but much of the boom of Pudge in this meta came from the increased range of Hook and Blink Dagger ranges that came from Aether Lens.
The rest of Pudge's popularity is just pure power creep.[/QUOTE]
More popular is not always better. It's okay but rushing it is bad.
[T]http://i.imgur.com/ft2RHBl.jpg[/T]
[QUOTE=Rarara;49603970]More popular is not always better. It's okay but rushing it is bad.[/QUOTE]
-Tranquils
-(Bottle)
-Urn
What else could he buy before Aether Lens?
Blink is all compacted into one singular purchase, which makes it a riskier investment.
Alright it's official, I'm playing with apes:
There was a pudge, nyx and tinker to defend our highground agaisnt a team with a melee carry and dissables, instead of staying on the highground and spamming skills, they jump on melee range
"GG no HC, report luna"
[QUOTE=Yahnich;49603890]aether lens is a shit item on pudge since the nerf tbh, it ups your rot self damage and without the magic resistance to negate that it's not worth it until you have healthy regen (20+ hp/s at least), a sizeable hp pool or a form of magic resistance[/QUOTE]
What are you smoking?
It's still worth it for the range
Ya another pudge main here Blink is just way better and gives so much presence early/mid game
[editline]25th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=leonthefox;49604216]What are you smoking?
It's still worth it for the range[/QUOTE]
Ya the range is really nice but early game its more useful for dismember, you dont really need the extra range till later on in the game. Blink makes the need for more range on dismember useless untill later on, having more self rot damage is pretty big.
As a Pudge picker I'm going to have to agree that it's a very questionable early pickup. There is no question of its utility later on though for breaking sieges (in or out) and for manipulating standoffs etc.
So after playing dota for 3 years at a humble 40~50 fps I finally upgraded my pc and now it runs at 80~120. The game's prettier and that's awesome, but now it's so much faster/smoother it almost feels like I'm relearning the game.
[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;49604861]So after playing dota for 3 years at a humble 40~50 fps I finally upgraded my pc and now it runs at 80~120. The game's prettier and that's awesome, but now it's so much faster/smoother it almost feels like I'm relearning the game.[/QUOTE]
I was playing Dota with 15 fps on my shit PC a few years back and then when I upgraded the game was suddenly a lot easier.
[QUOTE=Rarara;49604940]I was playing Dota with 15 fps on my shit PC a few years back and then when I upgraded the game was suddenly a lot easier.[/QUOTE]
I can react to things so much quicker my brain can't process it and I end up screwing up. It's funny.
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