[QUOTE=Clovis;49458967]Battlefury PA is good your PA is just shit at farming and thats a given[/QUOTE]
Which means you are gonna get like 25-min BF because 1) you are shit at farming and 2) the enemies probably noticed, and took advantage of that.
So, how would BF be good if you are shit at farming? Why play carrier role if you are shit at farming?
This only asks for trouble, like inability to see when you should TP to turn a fight as the PA, or when to farm jungle, when to push lane, etc.
(Also, [B][I]Phase Boots[/I][/B] help with farming very much, even more so than Battlefury! At least between 3-15 minute marks, which are pretty crucial)
[QUOTE=Nightfury;49456171]That's Dota 2 for you since 2012[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/1tajCut.png[/img]
Never forget.
The annoying thing about PA for me, aside from Blur being kinda boring and weak for some 2-3 patchces, is the item build disparity.
You can go long-haul with healthy Dominator, Basher, later on Skadi/Sny, etc. BKB if needed, all the goodies, but you will inevitably reach the MKB phase of the game and you will have to rely heavily on teammates, BKB usage and such.
There is however extremely scary early game approach, with fast Deso and Vlads on PA/her butt-buddy. Damage and lifesteal from vlads, coupled with insane damage boost from early Deso for PA can easily lead to snowball that is nigh-impossible to stop, because she will cut up supports in 1-2 strikes, and cores in few more. Getting Deso though forbids picking up other orbs, unless you are going to sell it, so if you trip a bit, its hard to pick up the pieces.
Carry Omni is satisfying as hell tho. Get an Orb of Venom and just harass any fool who dares to enter your lane.
[QUOTE=Clovis;49459489]"its 2016 and my phantom assassin still isnt diving tier 1 towers"[/QUOTE]
Minimap element is neat, but 100% negated by people with high map awareness and APM. I know people at high MMR get fooled by it still, but its really gimmicky.
The 50% dodge is absurdly powerful, but note how many more ability-oriented stuff gets added. DP lost passive, gained Pure damage skill. Aether Lens helps plenty of heroes with nukes. Silver Edge cannot miss. Tusk's Punch cannot miss. With Arc Warden, Radiance 17% buff, even new Atos weird-semi-truestrike-%, dodge/avoidance is getting more "popular", i.e. there are more incentive to counter it actively in-game, and thus it becomes less reliable.
Think of it like Invisibility. There's plenty of mechanics tied to invisiblity nowadays. This makes invisiblity itself less powerful, thus anything tied to it needs some sweetening. Shadow Blade gest bonus damage, Silver Edge gets Break. Clinkz gets movement speed boost, Riki had HP regen, now he has backstab and invisbility in one passive. TA gets Meld-strike, Weaver gets damage and phase, etc, etc.
i think for starters, blur should take you off the minimap entirely. that would be a cool change to make her stronger without bloating her dodge/crit chances
[QUOTE=Clovis;49459776]making her invisible on the minimap makes her a trump pick in games against dumbasses and makes almost no difference whatsoever in other games
the fact this is a thing is just retarded. yeah i can pick pa against 3k and people wont notice this hero is invisible on the minimap............. i dont get it[/QUOTE]
it's something so small that i dont get why it's even got the range thing in the first place yes
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;49459784]it's something so small that i dont get why it's even got the range thing in the first place yes[/QUOTE]
It's for her own detection purposes. If your passive is disabled, enemies are within 1600 units.
I'd argue either Active skill on top of Blur, or unique additional passive on top of Dodge that isn't wrecked by truestrike. Question is, what would be interesting, while being "light" enough not overbuff the passive.
What is even the point of the minimap element of Blur? At 800 mmr it doesn't matter in the slightest because nobody uses the minimap anyway, at higher mmr it doesn't matter in the slightest because there are five players who all randomly look at positions all over the map. It seems kind of meaningless, why not give the hero a tangible benefit instead?
[QUOTE=yellowoboe;49457712]I guess I'll take your farm then.
You clearly don't need it.[/QUOTE]
Also yes about the supporting thing, I was... joking
Now to be honest, ranging from anywhere between literally 2.5k to just 4.1k, "anything" goes..
Sometimes supports are super useful from early to late, sometimes they are or become a hindrance. Especially when Nobody knows how to manage their gold, let alone with lower CS.
Sometimes one support works, sometimes two. Sometimes no supports at all! Only carries and semi-carries who do little warding on the side. (Anecdotal evidence. A lot of it.)
Personally, I have bought more wards than most and know where to place them. Like placing [I]a lane ward[/I] down for your carrier who is being spoon-fed by lane creeps like a baby.
Only now, in patch number 5 fucking years, people are slowly starting to catch up to the importance of that ward, and how it spoils the plans of random enemy gankers from simply TP'ing in, and killing you.
I even used to stack camps without clearing them myself, or asking for control of people's dominated creeps. These days, well.. every man for himself.
If I see a jungler I just pick bh and make it so you're not having uninterrupted farm :dog:
If I see a jungler I just pick an offlaner than will 2 v 1 and win
[T]http://i.imgur.com/CY6MCzu.png[/T]
well warded venofriend
yesterday i played against a veno who maxed wards but didnt lvl poison
[editline]5th January 2016[/editline]
i think that sums up most veno players tbh
0-4-4-0 best build.
Veno can actually be really good but idk why so many people think wards are good to make when gale does 100 damage per tick, its insane if u max it and dont level ur shitty wards that inconvenience the enemy
[QUOTE=Louis;49460560]Veno can actually be really good but idk why so many people think wards are good to make when gale does 100 damage per tick, its insane if u max it and dont level ur shitty wards that inconvenience the enemy[/QUOTE]
Wards are good for pushing I guess
Mid they assert ur big dick onto the enemy hill but tbh wards are shit until like lvl 3 when they don't die fast
[QUOTE=Clovis;49460435]wow thats the best picture ive ever seen it may have changed my life actually venomancer is the most interesting and enjoyable hero[/QUOTE]
"People are only allowed to make life changing pieces of art"
-Clovis 2016
Veno is annoying as fuck for sure.
I remember a game [I]way back[/I] when enemy Bristle offlaner got hit with a Gale at 0-min, like at or above the side-shop.
Then as Riki, I kept backstabbing him like 15 times as he ran away, getting FB slowly but surely.. (the veno only body-blocked the bristle lol)
[QUOTE=Clovis;49460435]wow thats the best picture ive ever seen it may have changed my life actually venomancer is the most interesting and enjoyable hero[/QUOTE]
Poor souls that suffer you in person in their daily basis.
Gale is nice but pushing the fuck out of everything is way better.
but you push faster if you gale the wave, meaning you just use them for towers and if you want to be at tower pusher you can pick better heroes.
[QUOTE=Clovis;49460435]wow thats the best picture ive ever seen it may have changed my life actually venomancer is the most interesting and enjoyable hero[/QUOTE]
What's this all about?
[QUOTE=Clovis;49460435]wow thats the best picture ive ever seen it may have changed my life actually venomancer is the most interesting and enjoyable hero[/QUOTE]
[img]http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/b/ba/Demon_Edge_icon.png[/img]
I always level wards last unless I really need to use them, then I just put one point
I see all is right with the universe since Clovis is still being a dick for no reason in the Dota thread.
[QUOTE=Clovis;49461651]? If someone is calling my post edgy without even any text, then ofcourse im going to respond with my own terrible dota item pun[/QUOTE]
Someone posted dota2 art of veno, completely irrelevant of any in-depth discussion about what is meta, or whatever the fuck
then you posted this:
[quote=Clovis]wow thats the best picture ive ever seen it may have changed my life actually venomancer is the most interesting and enjoyable hero[/quote]
which may have been kinda dumm
[editline]5th January 2016[/editline]
but let's not be all so worked up over the slimy old venomancer huh
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