Fallout 4 V24: You're Tied to This Thread Kid, Your Energy - Games

[QUOTE=Atlascore;49503627]Did you completely ignore the entire dude's post AND the ratings? The guy asked people if he should buy the game and told them to rate accordingly. Funny for wait for sale, Agree for yes, Disagree for no. [I][B]It got 35 funny ratings[/B][/I][/QUOTE] Right, this couldn't have anything to do with the generally accepted fact that games, digital or retail, are incredibly pricey on release and worldwide differ wildy in pricing. Go to [I]any[/I] game thread and ask "should I wait for a sale to pick this game up?" Everyone is going to say yes. This has nothing to do with the quality of the game itself. Most people just feel comfortable in saying a video game, no matter how great it is, isn't worth the standard new release full price.

That's irrelevant to the point. I said something and backed it up with a clear, visible example, you just plugged your ears and ignored it. Bullshitting your way around the fact by saying it applies to other games doesn't make it any less true.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503599]People literally called the game not worth the money [I]last page[/I] when someone asked if the game was worth it and they told him to buy it on sale - meaning it's [I]not worth the money.[/I] Also Rudy's been complaining about the game for weeks now so there definitely are people out there who are tearing the game a new asshole.[/QUOTE] To be fair most games aren't worth $60.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503632]You said nobody claimed the game was not worth the money. [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1497918&p=49502335&viewfull=1#post49502335]Thirty-five people[/url] have rated this post in favor of buying it on sale. That means people did claim the game was not worth the money, [I]because they're telling someone to buy it at a cheaper price.[/I You're ignoring my points and jumping the gun.[/QUOTE] Okay, sorry - I didn't feel that a detail such as "how many people think you should buy this game on sale" was the central focal point of this discussion. I kind of assumed that everyone knew people are stingy and that every game is criticized for being too pricey. It's an industry problem. I don't see how this addresses the fact that this game isn't being 'torn a new asshole'. You're still taking legitimate, actual faults and criticisms this game has and are going "anyone who says these things are being mean and unfair to bethesda" [editline]11th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503644]That's irrelevant to the point. I said something and backed it up with a clear, visible example, you just plugged your ears and ignored it. Bullshitting your way around the fact by saying it applies to other games doesn't make it any less true.[/QUOTE] I'm not plugging my ears and ignoring anything. You're right, people want the game to be cheaper - I just thought we were talking about whether or not we should dismiss blatant, obvious criticism of the game under the guise that "people are being too pessimistic" and not whether or not I was wrong about peoples opinion on the pricing.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49503649]To be fair most games aren't worth $60.[/QUOTE] RPGs and Multiplayer games are part of the few games that are worth that kind of money because they take [I]forever[/I] to finish. They're a worthy investment because you know you're in for a long haul. A game that takes 120 to 160 hours finishing 100% is well worth the pricetag.

I would just like to add that there isn't single person saying not to buy it with the ratings.

[QUOTE=skylortrexle;49503663]I would just like to add that there isn't single person saying not to buy it with the ratings.[/QUOTE] Which is why I said the game isn't worth the money, not that the game is not worth picking up at all.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503660]RPGs and Multiplayer games are part of the few games that are worth that kind of money because they take [I]forever[/I] to finish. They're a worthy investment because you know you're in for a long haul. A game that takes 120 to 160 hours finishing 100% is well worth the pricetag.[/QUOTE] This is inherently an impossible measure to make, because the length of game development has no legitimate baring on final price. No one will agree on what makes a game worth money and everyone will have their own values in that regard. Some people would argue the opposite, that lengthy-single player RPGs could be cheaper as opposed to multiplayer games with servers to run. You can't say that any game is "100% worth" 60 dollars because not everyone will agree with that.

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The amount of time you need to 100% complete the game on average is a [url=http://howlongtobeat.com/]lot more traceable[/url] than other factors, so that makes it a better criteria to determine the worth of a game. Of course it's impossible to get an unanimous opinion on the matter but using a basic content-to-price ratio is a lot more reliable than other criteria.

Y'know, if there's one thing I think there's some missed potential for, it's the idea of a vault under the glowing sea, rather than one right on the edge of it. The entrance would've been completely buried shortly after impact, permanently sealing the residents inside whether they wanted to be or not. The sole survivor would be able to fast travel inside after getting the relay device from the institute thanks to a new landmark appearing there, much to the shock of the residents who are still living in opulent luxury all this time later (the vault's purpose being the opposite of 114's, observing how the desperately poor adapt to bestowed wealth and status), totally unaware their vault is beneath such a thoroughly inhospitable and deathly irradiated landscape.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49503673]This is inherently an impossible measure to make, because the length of game development has no legitimate baring on final price. No one will agree on what makes a game worth money and everyone will have their own values in that regard. Some people would argue the opposite, that lengthy-single player RPGs could be cheaper as opposed to multiplayer games with servers to run. You can't say that any game is "100% worth" 60 dollars because not everyone will agree with that.[/QUOTE] 60$ is like what the industry generally accepts as the most, the average person is willing to pay, kick starter or alpha games sort of prove by doing the opposite since you are pledging to be a huge fan of the game and pay a larger price

[QUOTE=Sableye;49503702]60$ is like what the industry generally accepts as the most, the average person is willing to pay, kick starter or alpha games sort of prove by doing the opposite since you are pledging to be a huge fan of the game and pay a larger price[/QUOTE] I know. That's my entire point. $60 is a completely arbitrary number that games are priced at, and the fact people want that to be cheaper could have nothing to do with their perceived quality of Fallout. I bought Fallout 4 for full price, as I do most games I'm interested in, and just like most games I'm interested in, I think it could/should be cheaper. The fact that some people want the game to be cheaper is [I]not[/I] an indicator that the game is "being torn a new asshole" by people with "overly pessimistic views" that are "hoping fallout 4 will be a flop". To think that and use that as an excuse to dismiss legitimate criticism is silly.

I was uploading a mod to the nexus and noticed this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/V5roQWw.png[/img] I guess I shouldn't be surprised this got its own specific check box.

Honestly I want CBBE and its accompanying mod types to get their own website. Would help people looking for that sort of thing to find it more quickly and easily, and would remove a lot of embarrassing clutter from nexus.

[QUOTE=Everything;49503775]Honestly I want CBBE and its accompanying mod types to get their own website. Would help people looking for that sort of thing to find it more quickly and easily, and would remove a lot of embarrassing clutter from nexus.[/QUOTE] The Nexus [I]is[/I] embarrassing clutter. At least they know that well enough to let us filter it out.

[QUOTE=Everything;49503775]Honestly I want CBBE and its accompanying mod types to get their own website.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.loverslab.com/]I got news for you[/url]

[QUOTE=_charon;49503780]The Nexus [I]is[/I] embarrassing clutter. At least they know that well enough to let us filter it out.[/QUOTE] Even with adult mods disabled, a big chunk are [I]still[/I] skimpy armor and "hot protag" saves, which probably aren't what you're looking for if you disabled adult content in the first place. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503785][URL="http://www.loverslab.com/"]I got news for you[/URL][/QUOTE] [I]And for mod authors to put their content there instead of nexus[/I]

All of the adult stuff, the saves and such in the nexus are the same as youtube's shitty clickbait videos. It's background noise you can easily ignore. Sad to say but Nexus ain't going to change any time soon so might as well bear with it.

[QUOTE=Jcorp;49499694]While I agree with what everyone else says about the lacklustre story, shooting gallery enemies and repetitive quests, I do have to say that I have actually [i]liked[/i] playing the game. I haven't personally been disappointed with much, but I suppose that's because I never rollplayed games to begin with. Even when I replay 3/NV I tend to make the same choices each time, so a lack of options in 4 didn't phase me much. I also treated most quests in a "Shoot all your problems" way :v: That's just a me thing, though. I do think it feels less Fallout-y than previous games. Though I've had more fun exploring the world in 4 tbh.[/QUOTE] Fallout 4 is fun but it just doesn't have the same replay ability, at least for me. New Vegas has so many well fleshed out ways to complete the main quest line and interact with the world with tons of different major and minor factions all with their own motivations. New Vegas has traits that realistically help you portray and role-play unique characters. Fallout 4 doesn't even have fucking energy weapon perks. Its just a bore when it comes to creating characters and they all feel the same due to the lame perk system, a world that railroads you to do specific things, and a distinct lack of choices both in the dialogue and the game world itself.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503555]3 has Leather Armor. New Vegas has the Lightweight Leather Armor, which is the same but has the metal bits removed so it's practically just a leather jacket. 4 has Maccready's outfit.[/QUOTE] you mean road leathers the leather armor you speak of is influenced by mad max, as is the road leathers in fallout 4.

[QUOTE=Pops;49503833]you mean road leathers the leather armor you speak of is influenced by mad max, as is the road leathers in fallout 4.[/QUOTE] Road Leathers have both sleeves intact. He said leather jackets with only one sleeve. The Road Leathers in Fallout 4 are a weird mix of leather armor and the Merc Adventurer outfit from Fallout 3.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;49503828]Should be cheaper? Based on what? There is no logical reason that colossal AAA games like this should be cheaper, not when they take teams of hundreds to make, with budgets that have reached the several hundred million dollar range, all that combined with inflation makes it a miracle that companies like Activision and EA haven't pushed for $70+ as the new standard. It's very obvious that you guys never buy movies or music, $60 for a piece of entertainment that lasts a hundred hours is actually, believe it or not, a really good deal.[/QUOTE] You're missing my point by a long shot. The only reason the price of this game (and by extension industry standard prices) came into discussion was because Ganerumo ascertained that people believing Fallout 4 should be cheaper is an indicator that it was generally seen as a bad game. I disagree with that, and the fact I used the general belief that AAA games should be cheaper shouldn't have really been anything more than a comment. Like, it's cool that you're super keen to pay 60 for everything, and it's also super cool that a lot of people don't agree with that, but it's also not what we're talking about.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503790]All of the adult stuff, the saves and such in the nexus are the same as youtube's shitty clickbait videos. It's background noise you can easily ignore. Sad to say but Nexus ain't going to change any time soon so might as well bear with it.[/QUOTE] At this point it's [i]foreground[/i] noise. You have to actively wade through it to find things you want. Establishing an adult-oriented portal, saying "put it THERE, not here" and banning it on the main site would go a long way towards repairing their reputation.

[QUOTE=Everything;49503852]At this point it's [i]foreground[/i] noise. You have to actively wade through it to find things you want. Establishing an adult-oriented portal, saying "put it THERE, not here" and banning it on the main site would go a long way towards repairing their reputation.[/QUOTE] Sorry to say, but the people like you and a lot of users on this thread who dislike the nsfw content on the nexus are statistically in the minority. The majority of the nexus userbase is either not bothered by the NSFW content, or visits the site specifically for it. Part of the reason the nexus moderating team has grown used to just shutting down any argument related to removing NSFW content fis because the people who are still trying to push that on the forums are practically shitposters and nobody wants them around.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503889]Sorry to say, but the people like you and a lot of users on this thread who dislike the nsfw content on the nexus are statistically in the minority. The majority of the nexus userbase is not bothered by the NSFW content and actually comes to the website specifically to get that NSFW content.[/QUOTE] tbh I don't think that's true for overall users, though I do suspect a slight majority of hardcore Nexus users are after the NSFW stuff. Most people would just go to LoverSlab if they're after that specifically, I would think.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;49503902]They wouldn't need another site if they just properly moderated/filtered their current site.[/QUOTE] The filtering is adequate. Turn on the filters to remove adult only mods from search results and browsing, blacklist the tags like not lore friendly, and you remove the majority of these mods. The nexus can't make up specific tags for "awful waifu material protag save file" and the best it can do is segregate these things to their own category - which is already being done. [QUOTE=_charon;49503905]tbh I don't think that's true for overall users, though I do suspect a slight majority of hardcore Nexus users are after the NSFW stuff. Most people would just go to LoverSlab if they're after that specifically, I would think.[/QUOTE] By NSFW I mean stuff like skimpy outfit redesigns, CBBE, etc. Loverslab is into far more hardcore shit. Having spent time asking around on the nexus chat I've been able to see for myself that the average nexus user is either fully content with the presence of these mods, or has grown used to just ignore them/filter them out.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;49503910]General belief? Oh really? Considering that these $60 games regularly sell millions of copies on day one, and sometimes even reach over ten million sold in a day, I think it's safe to say that [I]your opinion[/I] isn't the general belief. If $60 was a real issue people wouldn't be buying these games in record numbers, nor would these complaints be limited to obscure video game forums. I never said that [I]everything[/I] should be $60, only that the huge AAA games with massive budgets are justified in charging $60, they're in a completely different league than most games made. Thinking that a game like Fallout 4 [I]should[/I] be cheaper than $60 just reeks of entitlement.[/QUOTE] There's literally [I]no point[/I] to us discussing this in this thread. I don't have a strong enough attachment to the topic of "industry standard prices" to argue and it's so unrelated to any possible topics we've been talking about it just seems like you're complaining about entitlement now. Whether you like it or not, a lot of people think games are too pricey. Especially depending on your region. The fact people still buy pricey games isn't an indicator that they're just the right price, it's an indicator people like video games. The [I]only[/I] relevance this has to this thread and topics at hand is that 35 people thought Fallout 4 was too pricey two pages ago.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49503889]Sorry to say, but the people like you and a lot of users on this thread who dislike the nsfw content on the nexus are statistically in the minority. The majority of the nexus userbase is either not bothered by the NSFW content, or visits the site specifically for it. Part of the reason the nexus moderating team has grown used to just shutting down any argument related to removing NSFW content fis because the people who are still trying to push that on the forums are practically shitposters and nobody wants them around.[/QUOTE] If you go by download count for that, remember that people who look for NSFW content very rarely stop at just one or even a few mods, often downloading entire libraries of them. They tend to be the very particular type, which is why they're going out of their way to change these objectively inconsequential things in the first place. Compare this to the average non-NSFW mod consumer, who might only download one or two things based on issues they have with the game, be it how it looks or how it works, rather than the dozens NSFW consumers frequently scoop up to get their fix.

Dunno about you guys but when I log onto the nexus, with no filtering enabled, there's only two CBBE outfits (one of which is just shorts, like who cares) and the rest are mods that have nothing to do with CBBE or this kind of modding. [editline]11th January 2016[/editline] Speaking of good mods, [url=http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/8149/?]this could make for some fun runs[/url] if combined with a grognak outfit. [editline]11th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Everything;49503937]If you go by download count for that, remember that people who look for NSFW content very rarely stop at just one or even a few mods, often downloading entire libraries of them. They tend to be the very particular type, which is why they're going out of their way to change these objectively inconsequential things in the first place. Compare this to the average non-NSFW mod consumer, who might only download one or two things based on issues they have with the game, be it how it looks or how it works, rather than the dozens NSFW consumers frequently scoop up to get their fix.[/QUOTE] I can understand isolating the really hardcore NSFW stuff from the nexus but wanting to segregate the community even more seems a bit entitled.