Fallout 4 V24: You're Tied to This Thread Kid, Your Energy - Games

And it's kind of a shame PS4/XBO can't make use of last-gen saves (to my knowledge), otherwise the game could scan for Fallout 3 save data and use the first character who beat the game (character #1 if none beat it yet) as the wanderer, complete with the decisions they made.

[QUOTE=Everything;49541865]And it's kind of a shame PS4/XBO can't make use of last-gen saves (to my knowledge), otherwise the game could scan for Fallout 3 save data and use the first character to beat the game as the wanderer.[/QUOTE] I don't think Bethesda would have bothered either, save importing's only worthwhile when you play the same character over several games.

If they were a major character in a big expansion, I'd say that's decently worthwhile. Having a previous protag as a companion too, imagine that.

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49541871]Actually, new vegas refers both the chosen one and vault dweller, and there is in fact already a canon outcome referenced both in fallout 4 and some information document that came with a special edition of fallout 3 (which name i can't remember right now) of the lone wanderer. so apart from the courier, the rest had canon versions of the main protagonists, and we'll probably hear about those in new vegas 2 and fallout 5.[/QUOTE] Fallout 1 and 2 don't have any variation in the endings. You can pick a male or female protagonist but that's about as far as the variation goes. What changes is the different side quests and the future of the people you meet, and most of those side quests are never mentioned in following games. Got any source on that information document thing ? Because I own the Collector's Edition of the game (afaik the only special edition that exists of Fallout 3) and it contains no such thing. Also having the games vaguely mention a character's gender at some point doesn't equal to establishing a canon list of actions, let alone a canon ending for New Vegas (which contains four endings to the main quest, plus variations and side quests).

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;49541764]Don't know what makes you think the NCR ending is canon. No one's mentioned hide nor hair of that game since the last DLC.[/QUOTE] it's not so much that ncr is obviously the canon ending as it is that all the other endings are obviously not canon

[QUOTE=Cone;49539199]thinking about it it seems awfully convenient that Owyn and Sarah both died in quick succession to vague causes and get completely brushed over in their databases, followed by an especially timid and impressionable kid assuming control and immediately reestablishing contact with the West Coast BoS. and this kid is chosen over the prime candidate for elder, the famously huge badass who wastelanders still regularly talk about twenty years later, who is instead mysteriously purged from the Brotherhood's records and apparently nowhere to be found in the BoS' ranks or even Maxson's memory. man if you didn't like the Brotherhood before wait until you get a load of these corrupt coke can cocks[/QUOTE] What if the Lone Wanderer is the shadow ruler of the Brotherhood?

[QUOTE=butre;49541890]it's not so much that ncr is obviously the canon ending as it is that all the other endings are obviously not canon[/QUOTE] Any of the endings can be canon to be honest. [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49541892]i actually don't know with what it was released, but it was something called "moira's memories" or something that was talking about everything that happend after the wanderer left, etc. it was an actual canon thing, but really can't find it now. feel free to look it up for yourself if you want to check so badly, i cba atm.[/QUOTE] I looked it up, it's from the Collector's Edition strategy Guide of the GOTY edition. It was never confirmed canon. [url=http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Afterward]Here it is if you're curious[/url] - it makes efforts to avoid mentioning the gender and karma of the character, the only events mentioned are the fact he disarmed the bomb rather than blew it up, and got Lucas Simms killed in the process - even mentions of Raven Rock are shady at best.

What about the Vault Dwellers memoirs that was in the manual for Fallout 2? [url]http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_Dweller's_memoirs[/url]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49541923]Any of the endings can be canon to be honest.[/QUOTE] any ending could make sense in the real world but only NCR or Yes Man make sense in the context of the fallout universe. the whole universe hinges on the fact that everyone is trying to rebuild but their progress is hindered by the nature of the wasteland. can't be legion because then there'd be no hope of rebuilding, can't be house because he claims he's got the technology to have people in space in 50 years. that leaves ncr (which like the current US government won't do shit other than collect taxes) and yes man (who creates an anarchist society under the courier's rule) legion wouldn't allow any progress whatsoever and there would be too much progress under house

[QUOTE=butre;49542152] there would be too much progress under house[/QUOTE] Not really seeing as House don't really care about anything but Vegas Which is what makes him the best ending for a possible "canon" too. NCR ending paints them as too big and civilized. Legion end put them as a huge force roaming around the wasteland basically forcing them to appear in another title (which i doubt it will happen). Yes Man is too reliant on the player character to be even considered. House, however, will develop Vegas and Vegas alone, caring little about the things happening around his sanctuary. It's the easier way to give some closure to the Mojave story without having to tie loose ends all around

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49542194]Not really seeing as House don't really care about anything but Vegas Which is what makes him the best ending for a possible "canon" too. NCR ending painting them as too big and civilized. Legion end put them as a huge force roaming around the wasteland basically forcing them to appear in another title (which i doubt it). Yes Man is too reliant on the player character to be even considered. House, however, will develop Vegas and Vegas alone, caring little about the things happening around his sanctuary. It's the easier way to give some closure to the Mojave story without having to tying loose ends all around[/QUOTE] I think house would expand his sanctuary if given the opportunity. the platinum chip may very well be that opportunity.

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49542194]Not really seeing as House don't really care about anything but Vegas Which is what makes him the best ending for a possible "canon" too. NCR ending paints them as too big and civilized. Legion end put them as a huge force roaming around the wasteland basically forcing them to appear in another title (which i doubt it will happen). Yes Man is too reliant on the player character to be even considered. House, however, will develop Vegas and Vegas alone, caring little about the things happening around his sanctuary. It's the easier way to give some closure to the Mojave story without having to tie loose ends all around[/QUOTE] one day,there has to be an ending to the fallout serie,and Mr house is perfect for that. [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=butre;49542206]I think house would expand his sanctuary if given the opportunity. the platinum chip may very well be that opportunity.[/QUOTE] The platinum chip is useless and only served for the securitron MK 2,no more.

[QUOTE=butre;49542206]I think house would expand his sanctuary if given the opportunity. the platinum chip may very well be that opportunity.[/QUOTE] The only way House wants to expand is towards the space Which means that in a House ending he's either in a rebuilt and developed Vegas (doesn't change much around and makes for a great setpiece for other DLC/games)or he's on his space Vegas colony (doesn't change much around too and another great setpiece for other DLC/games)

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49542212]The only way House wants to expand is towards the space Which means that in a House ending he's either in a rebuilt and developed Vegas (doesn't change much around and makes for a great setpiece for other DLC/games)or he's on his space Vegas colony (doesn't change much around too and another great setpiece for other DLC/games)[/QUOTE] You seems all to be sure of House,YES,he is capable of that. But he haven't got shit to work with. He stays in the lucky 38 and have to be a securitron to move,WHICH seems to have a limited radius and eat much power. People in Vegas don't like him and i don't think anyone will collaborate with him if not by brute force. Of course,he can expand vegas,like said in the ending,but how ?

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;49542207]The platinum chip is useless and only served for the securitron MK 2,no more.[/QUOTE] That's not all it does. There's no reason to put something as simple as a firmware update for a mass produced security robot on such an advanced piece of technology. House claims that if the chip was delivered before the bombs he could have stopped every one of them, not just the ones that were headed for the strip. there's definitely more to it than just a firmware update

[QUOTE=butre;49542152]any ending could make sense in the real world but only NCR or Yes Man make sense in the context of the fallout universe. the whole universe hinges on the fact that everyone is trying to rebuild but their progress is hindered by the nature of the wasteland. can't be legion because then there'd be no hope of rebuilding, can't be house because he claims he's got the technology to have people in space in 50 years. that leaves ncr (which like the current US government won't do shit other than collect taxes) and yes man (who creates an anarchist society under the courier's rule) legion wouldn't allow any progress whatsoever and there would be too much progress under house[/QUOTE] I think you misunderstand the goal of the legion. They're not about preventing progress, they're about funneling progress on their own terms, based on their own rules. Arizona is supposedly a safe haven compared to the surrounding regions, it's just that legion law is super tough and unforgiving.

[QUOTE=Everything;49539743]Wow I totally forgot about that subplot in FO3 that involved synths. Railroad and everything. Not referred to as synths, per se, but in retrospect that's EXACTLY what they were.[/QUOTE] [sp]In Robotics there's a log on a terminal about Shaun telling people to stop calling them Androids.[/sp]

[QUOTE=ApertureXS200;49542231]You seems all to be sure of House,YES,he is capable of that. But he haven't got shit to work with. He stays in the lucky 38 and have to be a securitron to move,WHICH seems to have a limited radius and eat much power. People in Vegas don't like him and i don't think anyone will collaborate with him if not by brute force. Of course,he can expand vegas,like said in the ending,but how ?[/QUOTE] By the end of his path the securitron radius is greatly improved (that's why he sends you to that NCR power station, so he can control the securitrons out of his reach in the Fort) He has plenty of brute force in the securitrons and the Courier to force people to do what he wants. And he kills anyone who doesn't (RIP the Kings) Point is, House doesn't want to expand, he explains that himself while mocking the colonialist mentality of the NCR. He dreams of space and while he can't achieve this dream (he projected how many years would take for him to do it) all he wants is to develop his Vegas while letting the rest of the wasteland to fend for themselves (even Goodsprings, which he is grateful for saving the Courier, but still only sends Victor to "monitor" the people). It's the best ending for a compromise between resolution and freedom for a sequel. You'll have Vegas as a shining jewel in the Mojave but everywhere else is up for your own interpretation because House never cared about it. Unlike possible NCR or Legion endings where the entire wasteland around them would change to reflect their new victories and defeats [QUOTE=Ganerumo;49542258]I think you misunderstand the goal of the legion. They're not about preventing progress, they're about funneling progress on their own terms, based on their own rules. Arizona is supposedly a safe haven compared to the surrounding regions, it's just that legion law is super tough and unforgiving.[/QUOTE] Yes, and Caesar wants Vegas as his Rome, he doesn't want to pillage and burn it. Neither he wants to destroy Hoover Dam, despite everyone else saying it because "they're savages", and one NPC in goodsprings or primm even comments about it (can't remember which one, but he points out that it makes little sense for the legion to destroy it and it sounds more like NCR propaganda than anything else)

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49542258]I think you misunderstand the goal of the legion. They're not about preventing progress, they're about funneling progress on their own terms, based on their own rules. Arizona is supposedly a safe haven compared to the surrounding regions, it's just that legion law is super tough and unforgiving.[/QUOTE] a "safe haven" where women and children are forced into slavery and the men are conscripted into a gang of tribal warlords it's not that they're actively preventing progress, but that progress isn't part of their agenda and the people under their rule are too busy being crucified to come up with any progress of their own

[QUOTE=butre;49542327]a "safe haven" where women and children are forced into slavery and the men are conscripted into a gang of tribal warlords it's not that they're actively preventing progress, but that progress isn't part of their agenda and the people under their rule are too busy being crucified to come up with any progress of their own[/QUOTE] We only meet the attacking force of the legion in the game, the invading soldiers setting up improvised camps around the Mojave for warfare. We never see a legion town anywhere and judging by NPC chatter, they exist and are organized enough (but oppressive). You're looking at the tip of the iceberg only here.

[QUOTE=butre;49542327]a "safe haven" where women and children are forced into slavery and the men are conscripted into a gang of tribal warlords it's not that they're actively preventing progress, but that progress isn't part of their agenda and the people under their rule are too busy being crucified to come up with any progress of their own[/QUOTE] Their society is based on ancient rome where being a citizen was a privilege and not a right. If you come from the outside you're considered a degenerate/barbarian and your only solace is through servitude until you or your descendants are good enough to be considered citizens as well. Basically Caesar looked back at the good old days of Ancient Rome and realized that the only way to fix shit up in the wasteland was to copy the same methods and start over. He's a lot more considerate of tribes than individuals like House who only sees a future for the already rich and powerful people.

yeah and the tip of the iceberg is enslaving women and children and crucifying their enemies [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;49542337]Their society is based on ancient rome where being a citizen was a privilege and not a right. If you come from the outside you're considered a degenerate/barbarian and your only solace is through servitude until you or your descendants are good enough to be considered citizens as well. Basically Caesar looked back at the good old days of Ancient Rome and realized that the only way to fix shit up in the wasteland was to copy the same methods and start over.[/QUOTE] yeah but caesar was wrong not even just wrong, but also crazy and kind of a dick.

[QUOTE=butre;49542339]yeah but caesar was wrong[/QUOTE] Romulus and Remus literally built Rome with slaves and by forcing the barbarian hordes to be either eradicated or assimilated. Considering how long the empire that stemmed from that lasted, I don't think they were exactly wrong. [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] Judging by what we hear from the BOS back on the capital wasteland in Fallout 4 it's also exactly how they operate. You either fall in line or you get obliterated by superior force.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49542346]Romulus and Remus literally built Rome with slaves and by forcing the barbarian hordes to be either eradicated or assimilated. Considering how long the empire that stemmed from that lasted, I don't think they were exactly wrong.[/QUOTE] regardless of how well it worked out back then it's still flat out evil and has alternatives that are considerably less evil and work just as good

[QUOTE=butre;49542353]regardless of how well it worked out it's still flat out evil and has considerably less evil alternatives that work just as good[/QUOTE] Yeah like uplifting an already entitled caste of crazy assholes to gain even more power based on money alone, or bringing in a corrupted government swayed by criminals and that's widely disliked by its own people. All of the outcomes suck in their own way and they all favor different people. Saying the Legion is somehow worse than the others is pretty delusional considering [I]everyone involved[/I] is a scumbag.

yeah but at least the ncr doesn't literally crucify people

[QUOTE=butre;49542339]yeah and the tip of the iceberg is enslaving women and children and crucifying their enemies [/QUOTE] and? you're juding the entire Legion territory by their attacking force which makes no effort in building anything, just fighting and using terror tactics. the Legion has camps made by soldiers in the mojave, not cities made by legion 'citizens', of course they don't look developed enough, it's not their intention. sure, you might not like the way the Legion operates, i don't like them either, but saying they have no progress because you're looking at their improvised camps and "welp i guess that's all of it" makes no sense. simplifying the legion to a bunch of savages is exactly what the NCR wants and it's their mistake (the legion is organized enough to set up a spy network inside McCarran, the legion is diplomatic enough to arrange an "allegiance" with the Khans, etcetera)

[QUOTE=butre;49542361]yeah but at least the ncr doesn't literally crucify people[/QUOTE] No instead it leaves them poor and starving and let criminals prey on them because the criminals bring in more money than the average citizen does. At least the legion looks out for its own people, as long as they're not criminals. The rules of the legion aren't even that complex, it's not like they have an incredibly complex code that'll kill you if you misstep at any point, it's practically no murder, no drugs and that's it.

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49542367]and? you're juding the entire Legion territory by their attacking force which makes no effort in building anything, just fighting and using terror tactics. the Legion has camps made by soldiers in the mojave, not cities made by legion 'citizens', of course they don't look developed enough, it's not their intention. sure, you might not like the way the Legion operates, i don't like them either, but saying they have no progress because you're looking at their improvised camps and "welp i guess that's all of it" makes no sense. simplifying the legion to a bunch of savages is exactly what the NCR wants and it's their mistake (the legion is organized enough to set up a spy network inside McCarran, the legion is diplomatic enough to arrange an "allegiance" with the Khans, etcetera)[/QUOTE] it's not so much a spy network as it is a dude who radios intel at 2 am and the allegiance with the khans is more of an enemy of my enemy type of thing the legion has no interest in technology. None of the legionaires use energy weapons, and Caesar asks you to destroy House's securitrons instead of capture them because he thinks wars should be fought by machines rather than men. [editline]16th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;49542371]No instead it leaves them poor and starving and let criminals prey on them because the criminals bring in more money than the average citizen does. At least the legion looks out for its own people, as long as they're not criminals. The rules of the legion aren't even that complex, it's not like they have an incredibly complex code that'll kill you if you misstep at any point, it's practically no murder, no drugs and that's it.[/QUOTE] the current US government does the same thing with corporations and it sucks a whole lot less than crucifixion

[QUOTE=butre;49542428]the legion has no interest in technology[/QUOTE] the "dude with a radio" was a legion plant in the NCR ranks for years and gave them complete reports about NCR movements and almost destroyed their monorail to the strip. pretty good for just a dude with a radio. and let's not forget that mccarran is the heart of NCR operations in the mojave - just having someone under their noses all this time takes a lot of effort, and Curtis did a great job on it also the bit about technology is wrong caesar has an autodoc in his room. the legion still uses advanced weaponry like anti-material rifles and ballistic fists. caesar has no interest in the securitrons - that's a different matter. he doesn't want his meat fodder to rely on their weapons, he wants them controlled by his persona, but he's not against using what he has best for his high ranked soldiers and he's not anti-technology himself, au contraire again, all the bits about the legion destroying vegas, hoover dam and everything civilized is just NCR propaganda - Caesar himself has different plans for both and he tells you