Fallout 4 V24: You're Tied to This Thread Kid, Your Energy - Games

[QUOTE=Atlascore;49363577]The Commonwealth didn't spend the whole 200 years a disorganized mess, before the Institute sabotaged that meeting between the various cities and towns it was actually somewhat safe and on the verge of becoming an East-Coast NCR with the Minuteman as a kind of army.[/QUOTE] Don't bother, it's easier to call it bad writing than actually getting informed.

[QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;49363566]You're the one who doesn't listen to any fucking argument. Like are you for fucking real right now? You say no one listens to you but that's just you projecting. You haven't listened to a single thing people have said since this thing started. What about the comparison between the NCR and the Minutemen, how both were created at about the same time but one succeeded and the other fell apart? Leading to stability in the West, and instability in the East? What about the East Coast getting hit harder than the West Coast? What about the constant source of radiation that is the Glowing Sea? It has been explained in detail time, after time, how the fuck are you not doing this on purpose?![/QUOTE] You have given reasons why it would be harder to form a big government organization like the NCR, but that's (mostly) irrelevant to the discussion that essentially boils down to "why aren't anyone doing anything"

only thing that gets on my nerves is looking at the bastan habah's and seeing monster dolphins as catches on boats when clearly their owners have died long ago or abandoned it, or all the dead fish in the barrels and factories that shouldn't have bones and all that jazz

[QUOTE=elowin;49363463] ok you were listening, you're just dumb that's fine [/QUOTE] Pretty damn childish & unnecessarily rude answer. He wasn't even being mean to you, just that he doesn't think your views on the matter are thought out well enough.

[QUOTE=Aleister;49363605]Pretty damn childish & unnecessarily rude answer.[/QUOTE] Especially coming from someone with no idea about the logistics that go into establishing a civilization out of total anarchy and building and operating manufacturing lines, who is ignoring people trying to explain it to him in the simplest possible terms.

[QUOTE=Aleister;49363605]Pretty damn childish & unnecessarily rude answer. He wasn't even being mean to you, just that he doesn't think your views on the matter are thought out well enough.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;49363462]"People don't take everything I say as the absolute truth so they're not listening."[/QUOTE] Dude. If this isn't being rude, I don't know what is.

[QUOTE=elowin;49363626]Dude. If this isn't being rude, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE] You don't know what is.

Can't wait for the eventual Vertibird vehicle mod

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49363631]You don't know what is.[/QUOTE] Now that's just being rude.

[QUOTE=elowin;49363600][B]You have given reasons why it would be harder to form a big government organization like the NCR[/B], but that's (mostly) irrelevant to the discussion that essentially boils down to "why aren't anyone doing anything"[/QUOTE] That's not what I was arguing for. I'm saying you need a government to rebuild society, and that's the hard part. Everything else comes afterwards. You can't begin building the factories and expanding. You need order first. The East hasn't gotten to that point yet, and given their history, it's [B]absolutely fucking plausible[/B]. That's the thing, people say "it's so stupid" but it's not. It's completely within the bounds of reason.

[QUOTE=elowin;49363634]Now that's just being rude.[/QUOTE] So is sticking your fingers in your ears while multiple people try to explain a very real concept to you and pretending like nobody's talking at all so you can continue to spew thoughtlessly. You need to get a fucking clue and stop snapping at people who are being way more patient with you than you deserve so you can play the victim like a scorned 6 year old.

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49363615]Electricity, shelter, doctors, working economy, food and water, quasi-police and shit isn't that hard apperantly to set up anymore since the Settlement creator allows for all of that progress of 200 years in a matter of weeks of ingame time![/QUOTE] Ok This is different. You have a town of maybe 10-20 people. Diamond City has more then that. It is just bad writing how a random settler you assign to a medic stand knows how to be a doctor. Diamond City's shelter system is more complex then just putting down some wood floors and putting up walls. You don't make the economy system for your settlements, that is already well established throughout the wasteland. Food and water are really the only things that your settlements and Diamond City share.

[QUOTE=elowin;49363626]Dude. If this isn't being rude, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE] Calling me dumb isn't rude? Please look yourself in the mirror. And I didn't even say that to you until you insulted me. So, what do you think you're doing?

[QUOTE=Atlascore;49363633]Are you serious right now? You're comparing a video game mechanic (settlement building) to lore, it's like bringing up the "infinite" raiders and super mutants.. which aren't fucking infinite it's another gameplay mechanic.[/QUOTE] That's The Fucking Problem Gameplay mechanics are supposed to be representative of the game world. They're supposed to connect, build up each other, and make one greater whole, a fucking world that you, the player, can inhabit and interact with.

[QUOTE=Atlascore;49363633]Are you serious right now? You're comparing a video game mechanic (settlement building) to lore, it's like bringing up the "infinite" raiders and super mutants.. which aren't fucking infinite it's another gameplay mechanic.[/QUOTE] Settlement building is part of the story though, it's vague how s/he does it but it's implied by the other characters (and [sp]building a teleporter[/sp]) that the protagonist is very good at recycling.

[QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;49363643]Calling me dumb isn't rude? Please look yourself in the mirror.[/QUOTE] hate to go down to your level, but uhh you did it first

[QUOTE=elowin;49363650]hate to go down to your level, but uhh you did it first[/QUOTE] This has boiled down to a four year old saying "No U"

[QUOTE=elowin;49363650]hate to go down to your level, but uhh you did it first[/QUOTE] Absolutely fucking not. :V Literally what [QUOTE=elowin;49363463]Goes both ways, I'd say? [editline]21st December 2015[/editline] ok you were listening, you're just dumb that's fine if you or anyone else wants to continue that dumb argument, bring it to PMs please.[/QUOTE] Post #1069 [QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;49363507]Hahahahah, seriously? I'm the dumb one? I'm telling you that you need to look at things in a less simplistic manner, and you tell me I'm dumb? How does that saying go? "Correct the wise, and you'll make him wiser. Correct the fool, and you'll make him your enemy."[/QUOTE] Post #1073

[QUOTE=elowin;49363650]hate to go down to your level, but uhh you did it first[/QUOTE] You sound like such an adult with this statement. Feel free to call me dumb too I don't mind.

I've had better discussions in youtube comments

[QUOTE=elowin;49363508]Maybe it's not a bug, maybe it's a feature! Maybe the Institute is [sp]using their teleportation technology to fuck with you![/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Well, they have done dumber things. Like the goddamn gorillas.[/sp]

[QUOTE=SonicHitman;49363602]only thing that gets on my nerves is looking at the bastan habah's and seeing monster dolphins as catches on boats when clearly their owners have died long ago or abandoned it, or all the dead fish in the barrels and factories that shouldn't have bones and all that jazz[/QUOTE] I always just imagined that the dolphin things were so heavily irradiated that eating them just kills anything, including bacteria, so they don't decay.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;49363661]You sound like such an adult with this statement. Feel free to call me dumb too I don't mind.[/QUOTE] Thanks. That's kind of what I was going for, with the whole going down to his level thing. [QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;49363658]Absolutely fucking not. :V Literally what[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Chilean_Wolf;49363462]"People don't take everything I say as the absolute truth so they're not listening."[/quote]

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49363699]It took Fallout 1 around 80 years to get to a stage that's a bit more advanced than Fallout 4's world. 80 years. In New Vegas, 100 years later, in the same-ish area, they're on the edge of building up some sort of system between settelements, places and such in the form of the New California Republic. I'm not saying the Commonwealth doesn't make sense the way it is, it does, but it doesn't make sense 200 years after the entire thing. They're not in the situation of Fallout 3's Capital Wasteland where the place where they live still is a godforsaken hellhole where simple things like clean water are still a problem, and things like Super Mutants still dominate most of the wastes. They even had the luxery of the bombs falling outside of Boston, so what's their reason from keepig them from progressing?[/QUOTE] THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED NO LESS THAN 8 TIMES IN THIS THREAD What makes you so special that you deserve your own unique explanation? What's wrong with the previous ones which were perfectly valid? Read the fucking thread

[QUOTE=Atlascore;49363695]The gameplay mechanics aren't a 1:1 representation though, you can't have finite enemies in a game like this outside of specific quest locations, the world would rapidly become a literal lifeless wasteland. The settlement building system is also seriously lacking in depth, it's obvious they didn't put a lot of work into it, using it as proof of anything is stupid, especially when you consider the fact that the largest settlement you can build is still 20 people in a small confined space, it's an outpost at best with a garden attached, not a proper settlement like Diamond City or Goodneighbor.[/QUOTE] I'm not expecting a 1:1 representation, but I'm expecting much better representation than what Fallout 4 has. 20 settlers seems like a fair bit when you compare it to Diamond City which is like, what, 30ish or so?

Alright I think it is time to change the subject so the heat in this thread can die down. The writing in Fallout 4 can be seen as pretty weak. But what parts of the game do you believe had really strong writing?

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;49363714]Alright I think it is time to change the subject so the heat in this thread can die down. The writing in Fallout 4 can be seen as pretty weak. But what parts of the game do you believe had really strong writing?[/QUOTE] I never personally noticed Strong writing at all. Writing doesn't really seem like his, uh, strength.

What is the outcome of this discussion supposed to be exactly? Making the other guy go 'huh, I guess you're right.'? Someone you don't even know, nor will ever know? Is that [B]really[/B] worth taking up 3 or more pages? I mean I get that this is a discussion board, but this seems to have spiraled into petty shit flinging and taking people out of context. I'm talking about both sides here. Please, if you're stuck on your mindset of how things should work then just let it go already.

[QUOTE=Hogie bear;49363725]What is the outcome of this discussion supposed to be exactly? Making the other guy go 'huh, I guess you're right.'? Someone you don't even know, nor will ever know? Is that [B]really[/B] worth taking up 3 or more pages? I mean I get that this is a discussion board, but this seems to have spiraled into petty shit flinging and taking people out of context.[/QUOTE] At one point people just have to agree to disagree. [QUOTE=Grenadiac;49363723]I never personally noticed Strong writing at all. Writing doesn't really seem like his, uh, strength.[/QUOTE] But milk of human kindness....

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49363699]It took Fallout 1's California around 80 years to get to a stage that's a bit more advanced than Fallout 4's world. 80 years. In New Vegas, 100 years later, in the same-ish area, they're on the edge of building up some sort of system between settelements, places and such in the form of the New California Republic. Things there are almost like a retrofuturistic post-apocalyptic frontier. I'm not saying the Commonwealth doesn't make sense the way it is, it does, but it doesn't make sense 200 years after the entire thing. It would make sense if it was around Fallout 1 timeline wise. They're not in the situation of Fallout 3's Capital Wasteland either, where the place where they live still is a godforsaken hellhole where simple things like clean water are still a problem, and things like Super Mutants still dominate most of the wastes. They even had the luxery of the bombs falling outside of Boston, so what's their reason from keepig them from progressing?[/QUOTE] The bombs didn't fall only outside Boston though, I remember seeing a couple of craters in the city. The big one did fall outside Boston, though.