Fallout 4 V24: You're Tied to This Thread Kid, Your Energy

[Ganerumo]

It's nice that Obsidian went out of their way to write backstory of so many secondary characters but the way it's introduced is unnatural at best. The characters who do tell you their backstory in Fallout 4 do so because they trust you, because you convinced them or because they want something from you.

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=Samiam22;49367432]Depends. If we remove every "Tell me about yourself" and "What do you do here? and "I want to talk about something else now", then 4 probably wins.[/QUOTE]

Seriously doubt it. Simplifying most of new vegas dialogue to these lines is quite petty of you. Those were usually aditional dialogue that you rarely were forced to pick. And you might dislike hearing the backstory of character but many others (including myself) like it.
You do know that F4 has a lot of repeats too don't you

And if you removed the options that are written different but end up meaning the same thing the sole survivor would have less lines than Link in a zelda game anyway so hey, so much "content"

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49367472]It's nice that Obsidian went out of their way to write backstory of so many secondary characters but the way it's introduced is unnatural at best. The characters who do tell you their backstory in Fallout 4 do so because they trust you, because you convinced them or because they want something from you.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about where you live but talking to people and asking questions isn't unnatural at all

[Samiam]

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49367477]Seriously doubt it. Simplifying most of new vegas dialogue to these lines is quite petty of you. Those were usually aditional dialogue that you rarely were forced to pick. And you might dislike hearing the backstory of character but many others (including myself) like it.
You do know that F4 has a lot of repeats too don't you

And if you removed the options that are written different but end up meaning the same thing the sole survivor would have less lines than Link in a zelda game anyway so hey, so much "content"[/QUOTE]

I intended it as a joke. After playing Fallout 4, I noticed how often those particular dialogue options came up and thought of how strange they'd be if they were voiced.

[Ganerumo]

I always found it weird how so many people living in a desert wasteland are so open to talking about their life story to a random guy who ran up to them and suddenly asked them.

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49367484]I always found it weird how so many people living in a desert wasteland are so open to talking about their life story to a random guy who ran up to them and suddenly asked them.[/QUOTE]

If you're going to niptick this better never play any videogame ever

Also it's way less strange to talk with the mailman than talk with the magical frozen soldier from 200 years ago

[Itauske]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49367484]I always found it weird how so many people living in a desert wasteland are so open to talking about their life story to a random guy who ran up to them and suddenly asked them.[/QUOTE]

Scribe Haylen.
Low charisma and she won't spill nothing about her past.

[Ganerumo]

[QUOTE=Itauske Roken;49367495]Scribe Haylen.
Low charisma and she won't spill nothing about her past.[/QUOTE]

I meant in New Vegas. In Fallout 4 pretty much nobody will talk to you about their life story unless you're charismatic enough to convince them or they consider you their friend, with some exceptions like Abernathy who wants something from you.

Proctor Ingram will practically tell you to fuck off if you ask her about her legs with low charisma.

[Soriddo]

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49367493]If you're going to niptick this better never play any videogame ever

Also it's way less strange to talk with the mailman than talk with the magical frozen soldier from 200 years ago[/QUOTE]

I'm sure it might be just as weird to talk to the mailman with a gunshot wound in the middle of his forehead.

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=Itauske Roken;49367495]Scribe Haylen.
Low charisma and she won't spill nothing about her past.[/QUOTE]

Plenty of characters in NV and F3 refuse to give you information if you fail a speech check. Your point being?

Complaining about characters talking to you in a rpg is as silly as complaining about people not being bothered with you entering their houses in classic RPGs or no one minding you breaking vases in Zelda. It's a game, people. Concessions are made for player enjoyment over realism

[QUOTE=Soriddo;49367507]I'm sure it might be just as weird to talk to the mailman with a gunshot wound in the middle of his forehead.[/QUOTE]

i'm pretty sure no one blinks an eye to gunshot wounds in the post apocalyptic reality of fallout

[Ganerumo]

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49367513]Plenty of characters in NV and F3 refuse to give you information if you fail a speech check. Your point being?

Complaining about characters talking to you in a rpg is as silly as complaining about people not being bothered with you entering their houses in classic RPGs or no one minding you breaking vases in Zelda. It's a game, people. Concessions are made for player enjoyment over realism[/QUOTE]

Weren't you the one who claimed the "it's just a game" argument was no excuse for these kinds of things before

[Itauske]

tbh I don't really care I just wanna enjoy the game without spoil sports getting all butthurt about how the game 'wasn't what they wanted'

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49367515]Weren't you the one who claimed the "it's just a game" argument was no excuse for these kinds of things before[/QUOTE]

What kind of thing? If you're talking about me saying you can't justify stupid lore butchering because "it's just a game lol" that's a completely different thing.
Still using Zelda as an example it's one thing to have some suspension of disbelief and let Link break vases all around and it's another to retcon Ganondorf as an elven fairy in the new game and tell people to shove it because "it's just a game stop being obsessed with lore nerd"

You really are Pete Hines, aren't you? Jesus christ.

[Ganerumo]

[url]http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/6233/?[/url]

Finally

[GHOST!!!!]

[QUOTE=General J;49367449]Snap'n Build- Greenhouse

[url]http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4453/?[/url][/QUOTE]

I want to like this mod but when I tried building a Greenhouse it was so fucking finicky I couldn't be bothered and uninstalled it, a roof and wall will snap but then I can't put a wall on the other side of the roof because the other wall is there already, like what the fuck am I supposed to do, place everything down and just modpos everything? That's some I cannot be bothered to do and I don't mind using modpos to correct shit or clip shit into walls.

[Itauske]

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49367585]The one thing they still have to create some depth in companion management, and then you remove that too with this.

:goodjob:[/QUOTE]

sorry but I don't want to keep having to give companions ammo just to use their awesome gun I gave them.

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49367585]The one thing they still have to create some depth in companion management, and then you remove that too with this.

:goodjob:[/QUOTE]

c'mon man i dont like infinite magic ammo any more than you do but how others play their games doesnt concern us at all

[sir whoopsalot]

Some of the banter you can overhear from other raiders is just amazing. Just got one raider telling the story of 'mouth sound effects guy'.

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;49367611]Some of the banter you can overhear from other raiders is just amazing. Just got one raider telling the story of 'mouth sound effects guy'.[/QUOTE]

To be honest the raider banter is starting to annoy me because they do a great job portraying raiders as more than just idiots that shoot anything that moves but then they see you and nope raiders are just idiots that shoot anything that moves

[General J]

[QUOTE=GHOST!!!!;49367579]I want to like this mod but when I tried building a Greenhouse it was so fucking finicky I couldn't be bothered and uninstalled it, a roof and wall will snap but then I can't put a wall on the other side of the roof because the other wall is there already, like what the fuck am I supposed to do, place everything down and just modpos everything? That's some I cannot be bothered to do and I don't mind using modpos to correct shit or clip shit into walls.[/QUOTE]

I mostly got it for the windows and interior doorways, but I agree yeah it is an issue.

It wasn't as big of a hassle for me once I got the Precise object moving mod [url]http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/3615/?[/url]

[simkas]

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49367600]But that's how real life works too, they're not infinite sentries.[/QUOTE]

But Fallout 4 isn't a simulator, it's a video game. Having to stock your companions with ammo is annoying and tedious.

[Itauske]

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49367630]To be honest the raider banter is starting to annoy me because they do a great job portraying raiders as more than just idiots that shoot anything that moves but then they see you and nope raiders are just idiots that shoot anything that moves[/QUOTE]

I do actually remember one time where a group of raiders actually didn't shoot at me on sight
granted they were doing the highwaymen routine but they at least didn't shoot at me first.
I even remember some random Gunners telling me to back off without shooting at me either.

[General J]

[QUOTE=Itauske Roken;49367592]sorry but I don't want to keep having to give companions ammo just to use their awesome gun I gave them.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Giving them a weapon with rarer ammo has more weight to it once that shit is actually consuming stuff.

I mean if you wanna throw a Fat Man to your companion without any repercussions of balance power to you.

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=simkas;49367645]Having to stock your companions with ammo is annoying and tedious.[/QUOTE]

Not really, it falls on the whole ammo management aspect of surviving in a wasteland, which might not be your cup of tea but many people enjoy.

for me if you're going to give infinite bullets to your immortal companion you might as well turn god mode on and shoot them with infinite bullets yourself.

[General J]

I just feel like it's removing another small bit of the world that gives it some depth. It's so fucking easy to make caps and keep your ammo stocked anyway.

[Ganerumo]

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49367585]The one thing they still have to create some depth in companion management, and then you remove that too with this.

:goodjob:[/QUOTE]

If I could tell my companions to pick up ammo for their gun themselves and if they told me when they ran dry then sure but at the moment they're not exactly capable of any of that, so fuck it.

[-Iker-]

[QUOTE=General J;49367653]I disagree. Giving them a weapon with rarer ammo has more weight to it once that shit is actually consuming stuff.

I mean if you wanna throw a Fat Man to your companion without any repercussions of balance power to you.[/QUOTE]

The mod actually makes it so that weapons like the fatman still consume ammo though.

[Elowin]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49367484]I always found it weird how so many people living in a desert wasteland are so open to talking about their life story to a random guy who ran up to them and suddenly asked them.[/QUOTE]

Most people actually really like talking about themselves.
There are people who don't like talking about themselves in New Vegas... they're just in the minority, as they should be. Generally people who have something to hide, or have some kind of guilty conscience.

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=elowin;49367670]Most people actually really like talking about themselves.
There are people who don't like talking about themselves in New Vegas... they're just in the minority, as they should be. Generally people who have something to hide, or have some kind of guilty conscience.[/QUOTE]

Or just general rude people like the Omertas
Another point from new vegas is that people lie trying to take advantage from you. So what you might consider "hey he's giving me his life story out of nowhere" might just be someone trying to impress/scare you (almost everyone in Freeside) or lying to make things look better for his faction (Vulpes about the attack on nipton) or just to stop people from bothering you (Boone about his wife)

There are plenty more examples, those were just the ones in the top of my head.

[Ganerumo]

If I walked outside right now and asked the first random stranger to tell me all about their life story they'd likely tell me to get lost.

I don't know how much human contact you have every day but typically if you try to ask people about their life like you were on an interview with them they'll think you're a weirdo and not respond.

A lot of people in New Vegas don't even wait to know you or be introduced before they start talking about their life story, they just immediately jump on the occasion and start talking, even if you've done literally nothing for them. It's a really awkward way to implement that kind of writing into the game.

[Ruh-roh]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49367686]If I walked outside right now and asked the first random stranger to tell me all about their life story they'd likely tell me to get lost.

I don't know how much human contact you have every day but typically if you try to ask people about their life like you were on an interview with them they'll think you're a weirdo and not respond.[/QUOTE]

Good thing the courier does none of that and you're playing dumb for the sake of being pedantic

However, if you can't ask anyone about how they are or what they do around in your city, then man France is really fucked up isn't it?

[editline]22nd December 2015[/editline]

Also funny how bothered you are by this but telling people to fuck off, walking away in the middle of the conversation then coming back and talking to them again like nothing happened seems so natural to you