Fallout 4 V24: You're Tied to This Thread Kid, Your Energy - Games

It also looks badass

It looks weird when BoS knights use it though. More fit for raiders than for an organized military.

[QUOTE=elowin;49376197]The brush gun is ridiculously high caliber, mate. [/QUOTE] It's also a round that is not designed to pierce ceramic plating, it's designed for killing animals and unarmored people. A 5.56, let alone .308 is far more effective at piercing metal and ceramics, but that's not represented because DT is not a perfect system. DT was not an effective catch-all system and the only reason it makes more sense to you and the others here is probably because we've all spent 300+ hours playing New Vegas so we know exactly how much DT is enough for any situation. In Fallout 4, 150 DR is "enough" and will protect you against anything short of a legendary deathclaw attack.

I don't think it's fair to say if 4 is better or worse than 3/nv until all the DLCs and patches and stuff, I mean look at skyrim on release compared to how it is now.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;49376276][B]It's also a round that is not designed to pierce ceramic plating, it's designed for killing animals and unarmored people. A 5.56, let alone .308 is far more effective at piercing metal and ceramics, but that's not represented because DT is not a perfect system.[/B][/QUOTE] Sorry but what. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70[/url] You realize this is basically a .45 with WAY more powder charge? .45's are deadly because of their weight and slow speed, all a .45-70 is doing is increasing the speed of that already heavy projectile to rifle velocity.

holy shit triggering the brotherhood of steel being in the commonwealth is akin to triggering the dragons spawning in Skyrim. I think quite a few quests (besides the ones you get from the BoS themselves) don't trigger until you activate BoS. Also vertibirds never spawn until you trigger the BoS, ala dragons not spawning until you finish the Dragon Rising quest in skyrim. And I played up until level 103 without the BoS :v:. I guess I was missing out on a lot.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;49376276]It's also a round that is not designed to pierce ceramic plating, it's designed for killing animals and unarmored people. A 5.56, let alone .308 is far more effective at piercing metal and ceramics,[/QUOTE] Hey guys, spot the person who's never shot a .45-70 cartridge before.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;49376369]Sorry but what. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70[/URL] You realize this is basically a .45 with WAY more powder charge? .45's are deadly because of their weight and slow speed, all a .45-70 is doing is increasing the speed of that already heavy projectile to rifle velocity.[/QUOTE] Are you guys for real Do you seriously think that a low velocity, lead-slug, black powder cartridge designed in the 1870's is more effective at piercing modern body armor than a copper-jacketed military ammunition designed in the 1950's? :mindblown:

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;49376418]Are you guys for real Do you seriously think that a lead-slug black powder cartridge designed in the 1870's is more effective at piercing body armor than a copper-jacketed military ammunition designed in the 1950's?[/QUOTE] They're not saying it's BETTER, per se, but they're saying it would still absolutely kill you if shot through a fridge.

Remnants Power Armor is not a fridge, it's the most advanced armor in the fallout universe

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;49376432]Remnants Power Armor is not a fridge, it's the most advanced armor in the fallout universe[/QUOTE] Fridge plating power armor mod when

I just realized you can put ballistic weave on battered fedora, how does a fedora grant me 110 energy and dmg resistance.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;49376418]Are you guys for real Do you seriously think that a low velocity, lead-slug, black powder cartridge designed in the 1870's is more effective at piercing modern body armor than a copper-jacketed military ammunition designed in the 1950's? :mindblown:[/QUOTE] You have a better chance then nothing till upgrading to a .50, yes. Also what was that about cooper-jacketed military ammunition? [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/45-70_Sample.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;49376418]Are you guys for real Do you seriously think that a low velocity, lead-slug, black powder cartridge designed in the 1870's is more effective at piercing modern body armor than a copper-jacketed military ammunition designed in the 1950's? :mindblown:[/QUOTE] Do you not know how ammunition works? Rounds that were designed a long time ago still receive the enhancements from modern powder and materials, especially when it's a round like the .45-70 which was used for hunting bear and buffalo.

Also a break down. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO[/url] [quote][B]Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy[/B] 4 g (62 gr) SS109 FMJBT 940 m/s (3,100 ft/s) 1,767 J (1,303 ft·lbf) 4.1 g (63 gr) DM11 FMJBT 936 m/s (3,070 ft/s) 1,796 J (1,325 ft·lbf) 4.1 g (63 gr) GP 90 FMJBT 905 m/s (2,970 ft/s) 1,679 J (1,238 ft·lbf)[/quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.308_Winchester[/url] [quote][B]Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy[/B] 125 gr (8 g) Spitzer 3,100 ft/s (940 m/s) 2,668 ft·lbf (3,617 J) 150 gr (10 g) Nosler tip 2,820 ft/s (860 m/s) 2,648 ft·lbf (3,590 J) 165 gr (11 g) BTSP 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s) 2,671 ft·lbf (3,621 J) 168 gr (11 g) BTHP 2,700 ft/s (820 m/s) 2,630 ft·lbf (3,570 J) 175 gr (11 g) BTHP 2,645 ft/s (806 m/s) 2,720 ft·lbf (3,690 J)[/quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9751mm_NATO[/url] [quote][B]Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy[/B] 147 gr (10 g) M80 FMJ 2,733 ft/s (833 m/s) 2,437 ft·lbf (3,304 J) 175 gr (11 g) M118 Long Range BTHP 2,580 ft/s (790 m/s) 2,586 ft·lbf (3,506 J)[/quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45-70[/url] [quote][B]Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy[/B] 300 (Trapdoor) Lead PB 1,597 ft/s (487 m/s) 1,699 ft·lbf (2,304 J) 405 (Trapdoor) Lead FN 1,394 ft/s (425 m/s) 1,748 ft·lbf (2,370 J) 300 (Standard) JHP 2,069 ft/s (631 m/s) 2,852 ft·lbf (3,867 J) 300 (Strong) JHP 2,275 ft/s (693 m/s) 3,449 ft·lbf (4,676 J)[/quote] So yes, saying .308/7.62 NATO would be more effective makes sense, but then saying 5.56 is better than .45-70? Maybe when it comes to speed, but the fact of the matter is you're putting down whatever you're shooting with a .45-70, no problem. 5.56 might take an extra round or two.

Science! :science101:

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[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;49376387] And I played up until level 103 without the BoS :v:. I guess I was missing out on a lot.[/QUOTE] ... How?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;49376654]... How?[/QUOTE] because once i found Mr. Frosted Flakes I exited the building through the normal way instead of the roof access due to a bug that prevented the game from closing all other exits besides the roof access.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;49376276]It's also a round that is not designed to pierce ceramic plating, it's designed for killing animals and unarmored people. A 5.56, let alone .308 is far more effective at piercing metal and ceramics, but that's not represented because DT is not a perfect system. DT was not an effective catch-all system and the only reason it makes more sense to you and the others here is probably because we've all spent 300+ hours playing New Vegas so we know exactly how much DT is enough for any situation. In Fallout 4, 150 DR is "enough" and will protect you against anything short of a legendary deathclaw attack.[/QUOTE] Even if 5.56 is better at penetrating armor, and honestly I'm not sure it is, the DT system is perfectly capable of representing that. It's as simple as giving the base ammunition type a DT reduction. As for your second argument, once again, I agree that having both DT and DR is a better, more "catch-all" system than just DT, but no, the reason it makes more sense than FO4's system is not that I've played F:NV more, although I certainly have. The reason is that it makes more sense.

Already made mention before, but being able to break the armor of a really tough target was what I liked most about DT. If they gave this ability to armor piercing receivers, they'd be a lot more worthwhile. Each shot temporarily nullifies a certain amount of DR, stacking until they have no DR left on that limb. When it comes to power armor, AP rounds would do their full damage value to a power armor piece's durability until it breaks.

[QUOTE=Everything;49376911]Already made mention before, but being able to break the armor of a really tough target was what I liked most about DT. If they gave this ability to armor piercing receivers, they'd be a lot more worthwhile. Each shot temporarily nullifies a certain amount of DR, stacking until they have no DR left on that limb. When it comes to power armor, AP rounds would do their full damage value to a power armor piece's durability until it breaks.[/QUOTE] I don't even know what the armor piercing receiver does, it doesn't seem to say anywhere in the game, as far as I can tell.

Is there a mod that lets you get the full exp of every companion kill?

[QUOTE=elowin;49376961]I don't even know what the armor piercing receiver does, it doesn't seem to say anywhere in the game, as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE] IIRC they bypass a percentage of DR, but it's not high enough to make the damage reduction these receivers have worthwhile against anything with more than, like, 20 DR total.

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49376606]I wanted to make a [Science 70] joke but then realised it isn't fitting since it's just a perk now... :v:[/QUOTE] We fucking get that you got way too overhyped for Fallout 4 and you hate it for not reaching your incredibly high expectations, now just leave us alone.

Is it just me, or does the Combat Medic perk do bugger all?

Power Armor on the cheap: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/JUfkYiH.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Hatley;49375294][t]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/608348942033817136/E8B4BE1D239307AE9ECDA65C45D615AE4B60D28B/[/t] Holy shit[/QUOTE] I got a two shot combat rifle and I eventually sold it off never to find it again because I hated the combat rifle so much as a boring, unsatisfying, lazy weapon that I couldn't stand the idea that it was my best weapon and would likely remain as such.

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;49377041]Is wanting a game that improves on New Vegas's formula having "incredibly high expectations"?[/QUOTE] It's not high, but it is misplaced. Bethesda and Obsidian are two completely different development teams with different priorities and to expect Bethesda to do everything the same and/or even better is a bit strange. It's like buying a jar of mayonnaise and being disappointed when you find out it contains mayonnaise instead of butter.

[QUOTE=elowin;49376961]I don't even know what the armor piercing receiver does, it doesn't seem to say anywhere in the game, as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE] I've been using [URL="http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4760/?"]Better Weapon Mod Descriptions[/URL] and the best automatic AP receiver for the Assault Rifle gives you 40% AP