So Metacritic is letting people review alphas now. [url]http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/planetary-annihilation[/url]
This is seriously going to hurt the game if people keep posting these stupid reviews
Everyone rating this badly on Metacritic is an idiot. And the people getting rated dumb in this thread deserve every single rating because they refuse to listen to the reason as to why it is expensive.
[editline]13th June 2013[/editline]
This guy, this guy right here.
[url]http://www.metacritic.com/user/Asaggynoodle[/url]
Is a fucking idiot.
I need to stop reading the STEAM Community comments on the Devs Pricing update, every single person has an IQ of 0 and I'm just getting mad.
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Erm I don't even know why this is in there...
I think the want to play vs wants to help scenario doesn't work out in the long run. If you jack up the price 50%, only the diehardest of fans would buy it. If you have a larger base playing, you'd be more likely to catch bugs, if I'm correct?
I've seen this happen with Prison Architect too, and what happened? Everyone forgot about it because the price was insanely high.
[QUOTE=Derposaurus;41026834]I think the want to play vs wants to help scenario doesn't work out in the long run. If you jack up the price 50%, only the diehardest of fans would buy it. If you have a larger base playing, you'd be more likely to catch bugs, if I'm correct?
I've seen this happen with Prison Architect too, and what happened? Everyone forgot about it because the price was insanely high.[/QUOTE]
ok look
the kickstarter alpha
was 90 bux
if i spend 90 bux on a game, then someone can get exactly the same thing that i do for 30
i'm gonna want my money back
they can't alienate their ks backers, so shut up about the price end of story
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ok cool prison architect is only 30 dollars neat!! guess what it wasn't kickstarted with the alpha reward worth 90 dollars. that's the difference
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they can't alienate their ks backers, so shut up about the price end of story[/QUOTE]
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I'm just saying it was a stupid idea from the beginning, they should have lowered the price from the start instead of having it high and then being stuck in this situation
they shouldn't have even put this shit on the early access in the first place, this situation would have been avoided.
The difference between paying $90 now and $30 later is you get to play the game now and participate in the development process where as everyone else has to wait...That's what you're paying for. What's the discussion?
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;41028322]The difference between paying $90 now and $30 later is you get to play the game now and participate in the development process where as everyone else has to wait...That's what you're paying for. What's the discussion?[/QUOTE]
Paying 90 dollars for a broken hardly playable beta is ridiculous, kickstarter page or not. It's usually the opposite way so you get people to buy your broken, hardly playable beta. If I can choose between paying 90 dollars for a brokenass beta or buying multiple fully finished titles, you bet your ass i'm going with the multiple fully finished titles. You can't expect a lot of people to buy in to your insanely priced broken beta for the "privilege" of reporting bugs.
[QUOTE=legolover122;41028391]Paying 90 dollars for a broken hardly playable beta is ridiculous, kickstarter page or not. It's usually the opposite way so you get people to buy your broken, hardly playable beta. If I can choose between paying 90 dollars for a brokenass beta or buying multiple fully finished titles, you bet your ass i'm going with the multiple fully finished titles. You can't expect a lot of people to buy in to your insanely priced broken beta for the "privilege" of reporting bugs.[/QUOTE]
if i'm selling an alpha which is unfinished (also its not hardly playable), i don't want to sell it for 30 bucks because then i have a bunch of idiots going "wah wah pathfinding doesn't work" "wah wah planets are gay" etc
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;41028414]if i'm selling an alpha which is unfinished (also its not hardly playable), i don't want to sell it for 30 bucks because then i have a bunch of idiots going "wah wah pathfinding doesn't work" "wah wah planets are gay" etc[/QUOTE]
If you are incapable of ignoring idiots you shouldn't be in the game development business. You'll get said idiots on both prices too.
[QUOTE=legolover122;41028458]If you are incapable of ignoring idiots you shouldn't be in the game development business. You'll get said idiots on both prices too.[/QUOTE]
yeah but idiots whining about the price are unable to whine about it in a forum for reporting bugs
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;41028479]yeah but idiots whining about the price are unable to whine about it in a forum for reporting bugs[/QUOTE]
Congratulations, you lose a bunch of sales and also deter any actual players who don't necessarily have the funds to buy a 90 dollar broken game, all in the sake of trying to make your job easier.
[editline]14th June 2013[/editline]
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"if you don't like it then leave :)"
I'm lovin it. Yes, if it's got bugs, it's broken. That's the definition of a bug.
I feel like the only person who hasn't bought into PA yet that understands how their paywall functions?
As bugs are ironed out and features finalized the price will lower. How is that hard to understand?
[QUOTE=legolover122;41028523]Congratulations, you lose a bunch of sales and also deter any actual players who don't necessarily have the funds to buy a 90 dollar broken game, all in the sake of trying to make your job easier.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever been on a forum for a beta/alpha? Unless the testers are an exclusive bunch, the forums tend to be a cesspool of shitposting about irrelevant and trivial things when there a serious bugs to squash. Just look at the reaction from everyone to the price. Most of the people crying about it are expecting a fully working game they can play for fun, and after playing the alpha I can tell you that is not even close to reality. Unless you are really dedicated to helping develop the game (paying 90 dollars to be able to alpha test the game) then you really have no place being in the alpha.
Many if not most features aren't even implemented, and the ones that are aren't even fully functional. That's to be expected though because its a fucking alpha. If you compare Planetary Annihilation to a game of Soccer, the only things in the game are an unmarked dirt field and 3-4 legless amputees milling about. Don't complain about missing out on the party if it hasn't even started yet.
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;41028617]I feel like the only person who hasn't bought into PA yet that understands how their paywall functions?
As bugs are ironed out and features finalized the price will lower. How is that hard to understand?[/QUOTE]
My counter-arguement to that would be that bug ironing would be a lot quicker if more people were playing, and more people would report on bugs out of the larger playerbase
[QUOTE=amos106;41028645]Have you ever been on a forum for a beta/alpha? Unless the testers are an exclusive bunch, the forums tend to be a cesspool of shitposting about irrelevant and trivial things when there a serious bugs to squash. Just look at the reaction from everyone to the price. Most of the people crying about it are expecting a fully working game they can play for fun, and after playing the alpha I can tell you that is not even close to reality.
Many if not most features aren't even implemented, and the ones that are aren't even fully functional. That's to be expected though because its a fucking alpha. If you compare Planetary Annihilation to a game of Soccer, the only things in the game are an unmarked dirt field and 3-4 legless amputees milling about. Don't complain about missing out on the party if it hasn't even started yet.[/QUOTE]
I'm not complaining that the party is incomplete, as that's the nature of a beta. I'm complaining that the host has the balls to charge 90 dollars to get into this incomplete party.
Well I did not expect to arrive to an argument. I came here to just say: I am so very slow. I only just now realised my alpha key is here from backing the kickstarter. Yet to play though.
As for the price argument, I don't care if early access on Steam was cheaper than what I kickstarted, I invested because I wanted them to make a cool game, not just for all these features. However I am not everyone, and I am 100% certain there would be more outrage if they made it cheaper than the kickstarter pledge level. Who do you want to alienate? Potential customers or your current fanbase/customers? If you have to choose between the two, a profit centred company would choose the former, a customer centred company the latter. So Uber did the right thing.
As for being broken, since it is in Alpha stage which is defined (as per wikipedia but it is a pretty good definition) "Alpha software can be unstable and could cause crashes or data loss" and also as the stage of adding features. Then beta they add no more features. So the point of alpha is to put the features in, and beta to make them work. Therefore it is not "broken" because broken would imply that it isn't working as intended, which it is, these bugs are to be expected.
[QUOTE=legolover122;41028698]I'm not complaining that the party is incomplete, as that's the nature of a beta. I'm complaining that the host has the balls to charge 90 dollars to get into this incomplete party.[/QUOTE]
The host though knows it is incomplete, they told everyone that, they are putting it out there for those that missed the kickstarter. They are doing the only thing they can do, this is what they have to do, this is what they said they would do. This is what the backers backed them to do.
Why is there an uproar over this I am so confused.
[QUOTE=legolover122;41028698]I'm not complaining that the party is incomplete, as that's the nature of a beta. I'm complaining that the host has the balls to charge 90 dollars to get into this incomplete party.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a beta though. This is an alpha, there is no party, there isn't even a building to hold the party in.
If you are really dedicated to the game and you want to help you can pay extra. Not many people are going to buy it, and that's what they are aiming for. If they reduced the price to get into the alpha, there would be too many cooks in the kitchen.
If they lowered the price, then every Kickstarter would feel cheated as fuck.
You would be bitching about that if you were a kickstarter backer so have some empathy and stop complaining.
Kickstarter teirs don't make sense for Steam's alpha funding and that's not what steam alpha funding is for
They shouldn't put their game up for sale on alpha funding until it's "cheap enough" for general populace to want to invest in (i.e. at a price tier that where you could be considered as buying the game, not "donating to it")
You can't just shoehorn what is basically a donation with a reward teir ($90) into a completely different pricing model that is basically "buy game that isn't complete now for cheaper"
Kickstarter is meant as a donation funding drive, and they just happened to make one of the donation teirs include the alpha. If they want to put the alpha by itself up for SALE then it shouldn't be treated like a donation (the $90 teir), and should instead be treated like a sale
If they feel like that'll somehow "betray" kickstarter people, then they honestly shouldn't try to shoehorn a previously established alpha model into another alpha model and expect it to be fine.
I'd rather they make it so they don't show up on Steam Early Access until mid beta starts, at an actual EARLY ACCESS price and let the people who actually donated to their reward teirs that let them in the closed beta have access to it
What they should do is cut all the extra stuff you get like the Theta commander and the Digital Artbook and just charge 30$. Maybe give the Galactic Edition and the Warfare Edition edition early updates on the alpha/beta/retail.So, they get alpha updates/the full game few days earlier then the steam users.
or you can just not play the alpha if you dont want to spend $90 at this point
[QUOTE=KorJax;41028907]Kickstarter teirs don't make sense for Steam's alpha funding and that's not what steam alpha funding is for
They shouldn't put their game up for sale on alpha funding until it's "cheap enough" for general populace to want to invest in (i.e. at a price tier that where you could be considered as buying the game, not "donating to it")
You can't just shoehorn what is basically a donation with a reward teir ($90) into a completely different pricing model that is basically "buy game that isn't complete now for cheaper"
Kickstarter is meant as a donation funding drive, and they just happened to make one of the donation teirs include the alpha. If they want to put the alpha by itself up for SALE then it shouldn't be treated like a donation (the $90 teir), and should instead be treated like a sale
If they feel like that'll somehow "betray" kickstarter people, then they honestly shouldn't try to shoehorn a previously established alpha model into another alpha model and expect it to be fine.
I'd rather they make it so they don't show up on Steam Early Access until mid beta starts, at an actual EARLY ACCESS price and let the people who actually donated to their reward teirs that let them in the closed beta have access to it[/QUOTE]
Your definition of Steam early access is not Valve's definition of Steam's early access. Though that may be the generally accepted definition, and a good one at that and reasonable and I kinda agree with you. Steam/Valve however basically leave it up to the developers to make the decision as to how they use the feature, based on their FAQ:
[QUOTE]Developers have varying approaches, so it's a good idea to look at a store page before you jump into any game.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=legolover122;41028391]Paying 90 dollars for a broken hardly playable beta is ridiculous, kickstarter page or not. It's usually the opposite way so you get people to buy your broken, hardly playable beta. If I can choose between paying 90 dollars for a brokenass beta or buying multiple fully finished titles, you bet your ass i'm going with the multiple fully finished titles. You can't expect a lot of people to buy in to your insanely priced broken beta for the "privilege" of reporting bugs.[/QUOTE]
Well guess what? You can choose which to buy. No one is holding a gun to your head. So just stop.
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;41029222]Well guess what? You can choose which to buy. No one is holding a gun to your head. So just stop.[/QUOTE]
"You don't have to buy it so you can't complain about it"
Flawless logic, really.
[editline]14th June 2013[/editline]
It's funny as hell, most of the time the "if you don't like it, don't watch it/buy it" gets shot down in most threads, but as soon as it becomes useful to you it's a perfectly fine, reasonable and logical response.
Is the progenitor commander the default commander or is it also a pre-order exclusive like the Theta commander? When I pre-ordered it was before Theta was announced and at the time I think they were saying the Progenitor was the exclusive.
[QUOTE=legolover122;41029372]"You don't have to buy it so you can't complain about it"
Flawless logic, really.
[editline]14th June 2013[/editline]
It's funny as hell, most of the time the "if you don't like it, don't watch it/buy it" gets shot down in most threads, but as soon as it becomes useful to you it's a perfectly fine, reasonable and logical response.[/QUOTE]
No it's a perfectly fine and logical response because if you don't like something...don't buy it. If you don't support something, don't pay into it. I'm having a hard time determining whether or not your a troll or serious...
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;41029409]No it's a perfectly fine and logical response because if you don't like something...don't buy it. If you don't support something, don't pay into it. I'm having a hard time determining whether or not your a troll or serious...[/QUOTE]
I couldn't be more serious in my life. You just told me that I shouldn't be complaining about something because I don't have to buy it. As soon as "if you don't like it don't watch/buy it" gets thrown out, any chance at any sort of logical debate is lost as well.
Nothing is immune from criticism, even if I don't have to buy it.
[editline]14th June 2013[/editline]
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