The Halo Thread V12: The Last Thread Turned Into A Bridge - Games

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;50148918]I think having the ark destroyed in one blast would be incredibly dumb. A species like he forerunners would have had failsafes in the event of an accident at the scale of what happened in Halo 3. An installation like that would also have a huge workforce to keep it operational so it's bound to be under repair.[/QUOTE] They caused an explosion in the middle of it where the forge is and where it was being together. Cortana even comments that damage is massive

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;50148878]Yeah everything after Halo 3 is all kinds of retarded[/QUOTE] That escalated quickly. Any excuse to make digs at 343 right? [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SpartanXC9;50148926]They caused an explosion in the middle of it where the forge is and where it was being together. Cortana even comments that damage is massive[/QUOTE] Even if the centre was destroyed, the petals of the ark are big enough to suggest they'd be able to operate independently. I fail to accept that one accident would [I]completely[/I] destroy such a huge installation and that the forerunners would have planned for many possible scenarios, like the forge getting destroyed.

Always wondered after reading Primordium how the hell 343 guilty spark (chakas) survived getting blown to pieces by a spartan laser, and then the following explosion of the replacement installation. Must be plot! I also wonder how much of what we have read in the books or have seen in Halo CE Anniversary will actually happen in the next few games. Especially considering the ending of Primordium.

[QUOTE=death2sarge;50148979]Always wondered after reading Primordium how the hell 343 guilty spark (chakas) survived getting blown to pieces by a spartan laser, and then the following explosion of the replacement installation. Must be plot! I also wonder how much of what we have read in the books or have seen in Halo CE Anniversary will actually happen in the next few games. Especially considering the ending of Primordium.[/QUOTE] If I remember correctly he downloaded himself to an ONI prowler near by or something

Sorry for changing the subject, but while we're talking about objects in the Halo universe that have been destroyed I thought I might bring this up. How would you feel if Earth was destroyed? For a while now humanity has been overglorified by the lore and having Earth, the defense of which is basically what started Halo (Cole Protocol, etc), be destroyed would represent a massive power shift in the universe and give humanity's wars a lot more weight to them. Humanity would no longer be the victorious underdogs flaunting their power, but desperate nomads with few colonies where everything counts. Infinity and the Spartan IVs would no longer be indestructible Mary Sues, but humanity's most important assets. It makes the reclamation far more important, and allows for a much greater focus on it in the story. Does anyone think it could work, or is it too fanfiction-y?

Only if it took place over a large period of time and wasn't just "SURPRISE THE PLANETS GETTING GLASSED" like it was in Reach.

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;50149079]Sorry for changing the subject, but while we're talking about objects in the Halo universe that have been destroyed I thought I might bring this up. How would you feel if Earth was destroyed? For a while now humanity has been overglorified by the lore and having Earth, the defense of which is basically what started Halo (Cole Protocol, etc), be destroyed would represent a massive power shift in the universe and give humanity's wars a lot more weight to them. Humanity would no longer be the victorious underdogs flaunting their power, but desperate nomads with few colonies where everything counts. Infinity and the Spartan IVs would no longer be indestructible Mary Sues, but humanity's most important assets. It makes the reclamation far more important, and allows for a much greater focus on it in the story. Does anyone think it could work, or is it too fanfiction-y?[/QUOTE] On a related note, how spread out is the human population? It's been so long since I read any Halo books, but there seems to be enough colonies that it's not like destroying Earth would be killing the majority of humans. You already had colonies that were upset at being ruled over such a long distance by a planet that really has no relevance to them. That alone makes me think that humans are already spread out in significant numbers. Aside from the symbolism of it, it doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal in the long run in terms of population. It'd be more of a further decentralization of government than anything else. It's not like Macross or something where the vast majority of the human race was still on Earth when it got glassed, leaving only some 50 thousandish humans left.

[QUOTE=Why485;50149122]On a related note, how spread out is the human population? It's been so long since I read any Halo books, but there seems to be enough colonies that it's not like destroying Earth would be killing the majority of humans. You already had colonies that were upset at being ruled over such a long distance by a planet that really has no relevance to them. That alone makes me think that humans are already spread out in significant numbers. Aside from the symbolism of it, it doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal in the long run in terms of population. It'd be more of a further decentralization of government than anything else. It's not like Macross or something where the vast majority of the human race was still on Earth when it got glassed, leaving only some 50 thousandish humans left.[/QUOTE] From what i saw in Halo 3 didn't the humans suffer hugely on Earth by the end of the War? Got this little bit from Halopedia [B]"Many of Earth's cities were left in ruins and the planet's population was sharply reduced as a result of the Covenant invasion". Edit: [B]It was 200 million apparently[/B]. Given this i was quite surprised with the forces that Humanity had in Halo 4. I've read Glasslands, so i know about the Oort Cloud and the other colonies, but still quite convenient.

[QUOTE=Why485;50149122]On a related note, how spread out is the human population? It's been so long since I read any Halo books, but there seems to be enough colonies that it's not like destroying Earth would be killing the majority of humans. You already had colonies that were upset at being ruled over such a long distance by a planet that really has no relevance to them. That alone makes me think that humans are already spread out in significant numbers. Aside from the symbolism of it, it doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal in the long run in terms of population. It'd be more of a further decentralization of government than anything else. It's not like Macross or something where the vast majority of the human race was still on Earth when it got glassed, leaving only some 50 thousandish humans left.[/QUOTE] After Halo 3, Earth's population was only about 200 million. People are mostly in small patches around the galaxy. We don't have exact numbers on how many planets made it, and the covenant did miss a lot of colonies, but the majority of the large ones got hit. It's a lot of little colonies spread as far out as Harvest right now.

Bear in mind the 200 million statistic is the population left after mass evacuation and destruction. By 2553 the population was up to 7 billion, mostly returning evacuees but also Covenant refugees. The population pre-Battle of Earth was around 10 billion. edit: In case anyone wants a [URL="https://twitter.com/Mr_Admirals/status/429062324737953792"]source[/URL].

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;50149095]Only if it took place over a large period of time and wasn't just "SURPRISE THE PLANETS GETTING GLASSED" like it was in Reach.[/QUOTE] Halo: Reach took place over a few months.

[QUOTE=AbbaDee;50149418]Bear in mind the 200 million statistic is the population left after mass evacuation and destruction. By 2553 the population was up to 7 billion, mostly returning evacuees but also Covenant refugees. The population pre-Battle of Earth was around 10 billion. edit: In case anyone wants a [URL="https://twitter.com/Mr_Admirals/status/429062324737953792"]source[/URL].[/QUOTE] Wow, thats crazy.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;50149493]Halo: Reach took place over a few months.[/QUOTE] I'm talking at the very least a year.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;50148814]If you go by Halo 3 then the Ark is gone, if you go by 343i then the Ark is just damaged by you can still walk around it on certain parts. I can't remember if it's being repaired or not.[/QUOTE] It was never confirmed that the ark was completely destroyed pre 343i. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SpartanXC9;50148878]Yeah everything after Halo 3 is all kinds of retarded[/QUOTE] Yeah, lets ignore how great Halo 5 was overall, and how the plot to Halo 5 [sp]Cortana specifically[/sp] was something that Bungie came up with. Hell besides the anticlimactic Chief VS Locke BS and the game being cut in half like Halo 2, it was pretty good.

Halo 5 is still my favorite halo mp of all time right now. It gives be halo 2 vibes every time i play it and I love it.

[QUOTE=Delta616;50149664]It was never confirmed that the ark was completely destroyed pre 343i. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] Yeah, lets ignore how great Halo 5 was overall, and how the plot to Halo 5 [sp]Cortana specifically[/sp] was something that Bungie came up with. Hell besides the anticlimactic Chief VS Locke BS and the game being cut in half like Halo 2, it was pretty good.[/QUOTE] You mean the plot idea that they threw out because it was stupid and too much like Marathon? The only thing Halo 5 has going for it is it's Multiplayer which isn't even that good and is only being played because of the Halo brand and the Xbox One is starved for exlusives. It also has the REQ system which is god awful

Did Bungie actually show the Ark getting destroyed though? I thought the Dawn got away mid explosion and then you never see it again

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50149961]Did Bungie actually show the Ark getting destroyed though? I thought the Dawn got away mid explosion and then you never see it again[/QUOTE] Well there's a massive explosion behind Master Chief in the ending

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;50149961]Did Bungie actually show the Ark getting destroyed though? I thought the Dawn got away mid explosion and then you never see it again[/QUOTE] You don't literally see the ark fragment into pieces, but I chalk that up to possibly a lack of time and resources. Or they just really liked that shot, which to be honest, is good shit. Knowing what's happened so far though with the precursors (ancienter, ALIENER aliens!), I wouldn't be surprised if there turned out to be some sort of Ark Ark that makes Arks.

[QUOTE=xalener;50149992]You don't literally see the ark fragment into pieces, but I chalk that up to possibly a lack of time and resources. Or they just really liked that shot, which to be honest, is good shit. Knowing what's happened so far though with the precursors (ancienter, ALIENER aliens!), I wouldn't be surprised if there turned out to be some sort of Ark Ark that makes Arks.[/QUOTE] There is, it's called the Greater Ark :v:

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[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;50149916]You mean the plot idea that they threw out because it was stupid and too much like Marathon? The only thing Halo 5 has going for it is it's Multiplayer which isn't even that good and is only being played because of the Halo brand and the Xbox One is starved for exlusives. It also has the REQ system which is god awful[/QUOTE] ...Did you play marathon?

I hate to add to the 343i vs Bungie arguments, but it's not like the Classic Halos suddenly don't exist anymore. If you're not happy with 343i's Halo, all the Bungie titles are available to play. New Halo might not be my thing, but it is certainly enjoyed by many other Halo fans. It's upsetting that every few pages this has to crop up repeatedly.

[QUOTE=Croninberg;50150217]I hate to add to the 343i vs Bungie arguments, but it's not like the Classic Halos suddenly don't exist anymore. If you're not happy with 343i's Halo, all the Bungie titles are available to play. New Halo might not be my thing, but it is certainly enjoyed by many other Halo fans. It's upsetting that every few pages this has to crop up repeatedly.[/QUOTE] You say that, but in a few years, playing MP halo 1,2,3 odst, and reach will be impossible, think about it, game has no bots or anything.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;50150291]You say that, but in a few years, playing MP halo 1,2,3 odst, and reach will be impossible, think about it, game has no bots or anything.[/QUOTE] This is a real problem. Someone made a video about this issue in the last week I'm sure. [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoYjayrKRDs[/media] [editline]17th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Croninberg;50150217]I hate to add to the 343i vs Bungie arguments, but it's not like the Classic Halos suddenly don't exist anymore. If you're not happy with 343i's Halo, all the Bungie titles are available to play. New Halo might not be my thing, but it is certainly enjoyed by many other Halo fans. It's upsetting that every few pages this has to crop up repeatedly.[/QUOTE] And if you look back it's almost always down to one user. It's borderline shitposting IMO.

While I get the MP thing it's not really part of the arguments that constantly come up. It's always the single player that seems to be the biggest issue for people. But yeah, Halo does need bots.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;50149916]You mean the plot idea that they threw out because it was stupid and too much like Marathon? The only thing Halo 5 has going for it is it's Multiplayer which isn't even that good and is only being played because of the Halo brand and the Xbox One is starved for exlusives. It also has the REQ system which is god awful[/QUOTE] Thrown out, no. The game went from a single title then turned into a trilogy. And if Bungie continued Halo games post Reach I'd put money on the same exact thing happening... [sp]cortana would have become the enemy.[/sp] So now you're going to say 5's MP isn't that good? Halo 5's MP Arena being us played because it's fucking spectacular, not this dumb "Because it's the halo brand and xbox is starved for exclusives" bullshit. Do you even read the diarrhea that you post? I bet you haven't even played the Marathon franchise.

IIRC the only thing we knew about the Ark post-H3 was that 04b's destruction "did a number on it". We only see the blooming light at the end before the slipspace jump, nothing else, so it does seem feasible (coupled with repair and redunancy systems) that the Ark isn't in terrible shape. Guilty Spark surviving, on the other hand, is bullshit.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;50150291]You say that, but in a few years, playing MP halo 1,2,3 odst, and reach will be impossible, think about it, game has no bots or anything.[/QUOTE] True, but as long as Xbox 360s live, so will System Link (and therefore XLinkKai or whatever the kids are using nowadays).

I'd say firing a fucking weapon that, when completed shoots across the galaxy, while unstable should easily have vaporized the planet sized ark