The Halo Thread V12: The Last Thread Turned Into A Bridge - Games

I never actually noticed the asymmetrical design.

[QUOTE=Takuat;49258707]Shoulder pads almost always fall under rule of cool rather than practicality, so I'm Spartan on this one.[/QUOTE] The rule of cool is a lot less cool when it restricts your animators and mocap actors.

[QUOTE=xalener;49259701]The rule of cool is a lot less cool when it restricts your animators and mocap actors.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Wickerman123;49258565]You wouldn't even be able to t-pose with those shoulder pauldrons.[/QUOTE] barely anyone uses T-posing anymore since it stretches textures

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;49259921]barely anyone uses T-posing anymore since it stretches textures[/QUOTE] Wrong and you completely missed my point. It had absolutely nothing to do with the actual model and was about the actual feasibility of the armor. Christ. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=xalener;49259701]The rule of cool is a lot less cool when it restricts your animators and mocap actors.[/QUOTE] Not really, you just have to deal with the fact that stuff clips. You wouldn't be dressing your actors in the actual armor so I don't see how it would be restricting. Have you looked at any Star Wars game? The Stormtrooper armor constantly clips, especially at the elbows.

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;49259998]Wrong and you completely missed my point. It had absolutely nothing to do with the actual model and was about the actual feasibility of the armor. Christ.[/QUOTE] They seem to be moving just fine in-game :v:

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;49260005]They seem to be moving just fine in-game :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah because the pauldrons just clip into the main armor or warp due to skinning errors. Christ stop being so dense and argumentative.

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;49260013]Yeah because the pauldrons just clip into the main armor or warp due to skinning errors. Christ stop being so dense and argumentative.[/QUOTE] I literally just said that the Halo wars one looks cooler and can still get decent flexibility. You're the only one getting mad and argumentative.

I was referring to you trying to talk 3D Animation and failing as usual.

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;49260064]I was referring to you trying to talk 3D Animation and failing as usual.[/QUOTE] I wasn't wrong????

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;49260123]I wasn't wrong????[/QUOTE] "T-Poses cause stretching" No, A-Poses do. T-Poses are bad for shoulder deformation. "They look Fine in game" Sure they do, but that's not because they work, it's because shit clips through eachother.

Shoulder pads are a concept that sounds and looks great, but in practice is a complete waste of time, weight, and restricted mobility. If you're gonna do pauldron-like armor, set it as low as you can, and have the upper edge curve in so that the user can at least lift their arms above their head. Armor advancements don't focus on making the material more bullet-resistant. They focus on making the material lighter. You can have the best protection in the world, but if you can't move, then you can't fight. Remember kids. If your armor looks like this: [img]http://terminallance.com/wp-content/uploads/comics/2012-08-24-Strip_220_Issued_web.gif[/img] Scrap it and try again.

the weight of the armour is irrelevant when the armour is powered

[QUOTE=Wulfram;49260968]the weight of the armour is irrelevant when the armour is powered[/QUOTE] Is how that works ever explained? Is it in the undersuit Crysis style? The actual armor piece are just that, I don't see how they can amplify the movements of the user.

The problem with 343's design and pauldrons is that 343's is actually bulkier than the original design from Halo Wars. With the original I can easily see the pauldrons capable of slipping over the "harness" (not sure if there's a better word for that, sorry), which is visible in the artwork SpartanXC9 provided. Unfortunately as I said earlier, 343's design is bulkier and wouldn't have the same capability.

My favorite pauldron style was Romeo from ODST. [t]http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/3/30036/1153876-romeohoff2.jpg[/t] The right side has no shoulder pieces, whereas as the left has a double-pauldron. Realistically, armor doesn't have to be so extreme that one shoulder is moved onto to the other, but you can also note that the left shoulder is protruding just enough for Romeo to be able to toss grenades (which is honestly all the flexibility he needs).

[QUOTE=Wickerman123;49260983]Is how that works ever explained? Is it in the undersuit Crysis style? The actual armor piece are just that, I don't see how they can amplify the movements of the user.[/QUOTE] I'm surprised I never noticed that. It is kinda weird that it's supposed to be a super power armor but it's not really apparent where any of that super strength is coming from. The only thing it could be would be the undersuit having artificial muscles like the Crysis nanosuit or something like that. The outer armor is just armor. [editline]6th December 2015[/editline] Yeah, that's basically it. The undersuit has artificial muscles that react to electricity. [url=http://www.halopedia.org/Polymerized_lithium_niobocene]Here's the technobabble Halopedia article on it[/url]. [quote]The polymerized lithium niobocene, which shares some properties with ferrocene, operates on the principles of piezoelectricity. A piezoelectric material generates an electrical charge when it is subjected to mechanical stress. [B]Conversely, if electricity is applied to the same material, it will structurally deform. The polymerized LiNb alters its shape to a greater degree than any other known piezoelectric material. This allowed the for the incredible amplification of strength and speed required by Dr. Halsey for the MJOLNIR project.[/B] The layer of polymerized lithium niobocene flawlessly enhances the speed and power of the wearer, a sharp contrast to previous UNSC exoskeletons which required powered motors to allow the soldiers mobility and reflexes. The polymerized lithium niobocene is "poured" directly into the armor's capillary system, where microelectric fields direct crystallization geometries. The layer is amorphous, yet fractally scales and amplifies force, doubling lifting capacity and decreasing reaction time by a factor of five.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=Wulfram;49260968]the weight of the armour is irrelevant when the armour is powered[/QUOTE] Power armor doesn't fix mobility issues because the armor plates are too large and restrict the wearer's movement. Which is what i was talking about. I was using the fact that weight is more of a concern for armor specialists than it's protective capabilities as an example of why sometimes less is better.

Halo 5 had a awesome soundtrack, great scenery, and lastly the return of Blue Team. In the sequel, I hope they improve upon the story formula because we are going to be on the Halo rings and I don't want them to mess it up. I'll be glad if they continue development with half-a-year/another year. Plus, I doubt the story will be godlike because Brian Reed is the lead storywriter.

[QUOTE=ossumsauce;49260432]Shoulder pads are a concept that sounds and looks great, but in practice is a complete waste of time, weight, and restricted mobility. If you're gonna do pauldron-like armor, set it as low as you can, and have the upper edge curve in so that the user can at least lift their arms above their head. Armor advancements don't focus on making the material more bullet-resistant. They focus on making the material lighter. You can have the best protection in the world, but if you can't move, then you can't fight. Remember kids. If your armor looks like this: [img]http://terminallance.com/wp-content/uploads/comics/2012-08-24-Strip_220_Issued_web.gif[/img] Scrap it and try again.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ossumsauce;49261502]Power armor doesn't fix mobility issues because the armor plates are too large and restrict the wearer's movement. Which is what i was talking about. I was using the fact that weight is more of a concern for armor specialists than it's protective capabilities as an example of why sometimes less is better.[/QUOTE] How do you play any modern sci-fi game? Hell, how do you play anything? How did you play Halo before 4? I'm just picturing you putting down a game because the shoulder pads are too big or listening to Fort Minor - Remember The Name and getting mad that he says 5% pleasure then 100% reason to remember the name since that's not mathematically correct.

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;49267868]How do you play any modern sci-fi game? Hell, how do you play anything? How did you play Halo before 4? I'm just picturing you putting down a game because the shoulder pads are too big or listening to Fort Minor - Remember The Name and getting mad that he says 5% pleasure then 100% reason to remember the name since that's not mathematically correct.[/QUOTE] Friend, i think you might be projecting JUST A LITTLE BIT THERE. Last i recall, YOU were the one that hated games for as petty reasons as armor design, art design, the 3d models, etc. I'd like you to go back, and re-read everything i've typed. Please highlight anything i've said where it is implied or otherwise stated that i hate halo or think it's stupid because of the armor pads. Please. Do it. Right now. You cant. Because i didnt say anything like that. Pet peeve =/= deal breaker. Large shoulder armor is a pet peeve because it's unrealistic, not a deal breaker for me for any game. God, just... the amount of bullshit that just spews from your mouth on a daily basis is fucking impressive. How do you manage to eat anything when you suffer from such a torrential avalanche of cow dung? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Extended" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

How about you guys don't start the bitchfight parade again and have some self control, or barring that, [I]use the ignore function[/I]

It's akin to morbid curiosity. Outside of 3D Art talk and opinions on 343ivsBungie Spartan can be pretty bearable.

Sorry guys. Spartan just makes it so easy to hate him, you know? Oh boy. Pageking. And i have no content. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Pageking shit" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

You're blowing this one a little out there though. I mean, he's not wrong. If we stuck to practicality the whole time, a lotta shit in Halo wouldn't make sense. The gigantic human weapons for example. No reason they should be that big 500 years in the future, besides to look good on a Spartan. Sometimes you just gotta sacrifice for the rule of cool a little, to make things look better. And imo, when he's not complaining about 343 stuff, Spartan has a lot of really good ideas. That galactic conquest-type forge game was fucking brilliant.

[QUOTE=overwatch pvt;49269950]You're blowing this one a little out there though. I mean, he's not wrong. If we stuck to practicality the whole time, a lotta shit in Halo wouldn't make sense. The gigantic human weapons for example. No reason they should be that big 500 years in the future, besides to look good on a Spartan. Sometimes you just gotta sacrifice for the rule of cool a little, to make things look better. And imo, when he's not complaining about 343 stuff, Spartan has a lot of really good ideas. That galactic conquest-type forge game was fucking brilliant.[/QUOTE] Uh, no. This all arose because Spartan thought that the Mk. IVs shoulder pads were impractically small. I was telling him that it was the other way around; it being smaller would actually, in practice, be a good thing.

[QUOTE=ossumsauce;49270180]Uh, no. This all arose because Spartan thought that the Mk. IVs shoulder pads were impractically small. I was telling him that it was the other way around; it being smaller would actually, in practice, be a good thing.[/QUOTE] I never said they were small I just asked what 343i had against shoulder pads.

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Looking back through all the pages, the new spv3 update wasnt mentioned so i thought id post it here [video=youtube;99mPyzEMZns]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99mPyzEMZns&feature=youtu.be[/video]

[QUOTE=zipziggy;49280828]Looking back through all the pages, the new spv3 update wasnt mentioned so i thought id post it here [video=youtube;99mPyzEMZns]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99mPyzEMZns&feature=youtu.be[/video][/QUOTE] Hype.