The Halo Thread V12: The Last Thread Turned Into A Bridge - Games

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;48998283]before you read my post know that I love the multiplayer and was willing to pay $60 for it however hahahahahahaha THAT CAMPAIGN how can anybody defend 343's use of the Halo lore any more? Like holy shit after all those Hunt The Truth marketing campaigns, after all the ads, after all that Locke vs. Chief hype they built, THAT was what they gave us???? That was NOTHING like what they made it out to be from the trailers Pathetic. Seriously.[/QUOTE] The biggest defense I've heard of them is that "they've made Halo's lore consistent and planned out" instead of what Bungie did, which was essentially wing it half the time and contradict the EU if they felt like it. [editline]edit[/editline] It's not [I]my[/I] argument. I'm quoting a guy I know who defends 343i with that reasoning. I personally don't really give a shit that Bungie didn't have a consistency boner, even if having strong internal consistency is nice in fiction.

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;48998359]The biggest defense I've heard of them is that "they've made Halo's lore consistent and planned out" instead of what Bungie did, which was essentially wing it half the time and contradict the EU if they felt like it.[/QUOTE] Bungie may of had plot holes, inconsistencies and such, but their plots were at least self-contained quite well and [i]were memorable[/i] with their own proper quality. 343's demonstrated twice in a row now that they love to create all of this extraneous horseshit that just mucks everything up further and expects you to know it all while simultaneously creating subpar stories that don't have any endearing qualities besides very specific things.

[QUOTE=RikohZX;48998420]Bungie may of had plot holes, inconsistencies and such, but their plots were at least self-contained quite well and [i]were memorable[/i] with their own proper quality. 343's demonstrated twice in a row now that they love to create all of this extraneous horseshit that just mucks everything up further and expects you to know it all while simultaneously creating subpar stories that don't have any endearing qualities besides very specific things.[/QUOTE] Precisely. I just came back from the reddit where somebody told me that in order to fully understand Halo 5 I had to go watch all of Hunt the Truth and read some of the books. Really? Really???? I much preferred Bungie's method which was akin to Lucas' Star Wars: create books and side stories all you want, but if something in the movies (or in this case, the games) contradicts it, then my word is law. with 343 we have them trying to explain literally fucking EVERYTHING with like 800 goddamn fucking subplots which ruins all the subtle nuances the originals had [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ElectricSquid;48998359]The biggest defense I've heard of them is that "they've made Halo's lore consistent and planned out" instead of what Bungie did, which was essentially wing it half the time and [B]contradict the EU if they felt like it.[/B][/QUOTE] This pales in comparison to what 343 have done to the Halo universe

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;48998359]The biggest defense I've heard of them is that "they've made Halo's lore consistent and planned out" instead of what Bungie did, which was essentially wing it half the time and contradict the EU if they felt like it.[/QUOTE] What? Bungie were the original storymakers; they can retcon what they need to from the EU and shouldn't get shit for it. And the EU was pretty damn small back then, and as I remember most of it complimented the games well and was unintrusive to the plot. The original EU trilogy (Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike) were all supplements to the plot that filled in background and fluff but were in no way necessary to know what was going on. Ghosts of Onyx was another cool supplement that gave us a little preview of Spartan-III's for Reach. Everything past that which has evolved with 343's vision has gone in such a radical direction and expanded so far from the games that it's ridiculous to expect players to read it all, but most especially it shouldn't be required for the plot of the game to be understood.

Overwatch you home yet?

Now I'm even more angry after reading this: "14 Arena maps were advertised. 7 of those turned out to be forge maps, and 2 turned out to be remixes. This was not announced by 343 directly, but rather by way of a playlist announcement (that was posted at 6 in the morning no less). -6 Warzone maps were advertised, but it wasn't until launch that we learned that THREE of those were the same three maps we had already seen, just with blocked off areas. -The game only shipped with 4 game types, but this wasn't confirmed until people got the game. -Only after the mission list was released did people find out that you only play as Chief for 3 levels. -This is speculation, but it looks like the "DLC" is going to remix maps (this is confirmed) and forge maps (not confirmed but implied by recent BTB comments). I understand that it's free, but I honestly would rather pay for unique maps than play maps that are watered down for the sake of budget." Seriously? I almost want my money back.

DLC is not going to be forge maps that's fucking stupid the game shipping with 4 gametypes was known a week before release thanks to the press

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;48998498]Now I'm even more angry after reading this: "14 Arena maps were advertised. 7 of those turned out to be forge maps, and 2 turned out to be remixes. This was not announced by 343 directly, but rather by way of a playlist announcement (that was posted at 6 in the morning no less).[/QUOTE] So? They're all fun and well designed maps. [quote]-6 Warzone maps were advertised, but it wasn't until launch that we learned that THREE of those were the same three maps we had already seen, just with blocked off areas.[/quote] Different playable areas on each map is little lame, but with another 3-6 maps on the way (for free) it's not too much to worry about. [quote]-The game only shipped with 4 game types, but this wasn't confirmed until people got the game.[/quote] The game shipped with 8 game types, 4 dedicated online playlists, and a team objective playlist... [QUOTE]-Only after the mission list was released did people find out that you only play as Chief for 3 levels.[/QUOTE] Ehh, Campaign is campaign, i'm indifferent. [QUOTE]-This is speculation, but it looks like the "DLC" is going to remix maps (this is confirmed) and forge maps (not confirmed but implied by recent BTB comments). I understand that it's free, but I honestly would rather pay for unique maps than play maps that are watered down for the sake of budget." [/QUOTE] Speculation based on what? Ignorance Seriously? I almost want my money back.[/QUOTE] Lol okay bye.

From someone who has bought every halo game, expect 5 and MCC, 5 looks like a shitshow to me, like it looks fun, but its so fucking obvious they needed more time to make content, add split screen, etc. Then they added mircotransactions in a full priced game. That is fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Winner;48998609]this is the first game since halo 3 that does not have a scheme with zoom on RB[/QUOTE] You can use the Xbox accessories app to change any button on the controller. It works with regular controllers too, not just the elite. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48998670]From someone who has bought every halo game, expect 5 and MCC, 5 looks like a shitshow to me, like it looks fun, but its so fucking obvious they needed more time to make content, add split screen, etc. Then they added mircotransactions in a full priced game. That is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I'm liking the multiplayer, Warzone is way more fun that I thought it would be. The campaign is definitely one of the worst so far, but still better than 4. The microtransactions honestly are not a big deal at all, in about 5-6 matches of Warzone Assault I was able to go from ~0-10,000 req points to be able to buy the most expensive pack ($2.99). They're actually possible to get and you don't have to top the leaderboard or anything, it's a good trade-off for free maps.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48998670] Then they added mircotransactions in a full priced game. That is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] No disagreement here, but I don't understand why anyone would ever want to buy them. Over the course of maybe two to three hours max, I earned enough (whatever the currency is) to buy three gold packs. So about a gold pack an hour give or take. I can understand if you don't play too much and want some items, but through casual play you can certainly earn enough to get the REQ packs.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48998670]From someone who has bought every halo game, expect 5 and MCC, 5 looks like a shitshow to me, like it looks fun, but its so fucking obvious they needed more time to make content, add split screen, etc. Then they added mircotransactions in a full priced game. That is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] It helps them fund the free dlc, it's nothing you can't earn from playing for an hour. They didn't need more time to make splitscreen, it ran like shit on the hardware.

[QUOTE=Delta616;48998708]It helps them fund the free dlc, it's nothing you can't earn from playing for an hour. They didn't need more time to make splitscreen, it ran like shit on the hardware.[/QUOTE] 360 can do splitscreen, but xbox one cant? Fucking lower the graphic quality. Every fucking new game seems to want to take features out for no fucking reason, I tough games were progressing forward, but it seems everything is going backwards expect graphics. If people really cared about graphics, why the fuck do they buy consoles then? Really, people want gameplay. No one buys CoD since it has pretty graphics, because, really, half the time it looks outdated graphically, they buy it for the gameplay and features (which I don't like, but thats besides the point) 343 seems to have traded gameplay and features for graphics. Its fucking stupid and backwards.

I will never get over how someone okayed the origin of the Flood being due to past humans (an already stupid fucking retcon) sprinkling flood dust on their space poodles. That alone ruined my acceptance of most current story threads

[sp]Watching Chief and Locke do that hand to hand combat was soo satisfying.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Zeos;48998726]I will never get over how someone okayed the origin of the Flood being due to past humans (an already stupid fucking retcon) sprinkling flood dust on their space poodles. That alone ruined my acceptance of most current story threads[/QUOTE] i remember a quick series backstory summary basically saying, "okay the precusors were getting wrecked since they weren't used to warfare, so they literally ground themselves up into butthurt powder to grow again in the future, but it got corrupted and became malevolent to become the flood who were still secretly testing if humanity was capable of the mantle horseshit while trying to eat them"

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48998723]360 can do splitscreen, but xbox one cant? Fucking lower the graphic quality. Every fucking new game seems to want to take features out for no fucking reason, I tough games were progressing forward, but it seems everything is going backwards expect graphics. If people really cared about graphics, why the fuck do they buy consoles then? Really, people want gameplay. No one buys CoD since it has pretty graphics, because, really, half the time it looks outdated graphically, they buy it for the gameplay and features (which I don't like, but thats besides the point) 343 seems to have traded gameplay and features for graphics. Its fucking stupid and backwards.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Delta616;48994050]Frame rate drops to 20 or less? System instability, can't maintain 1080p, it crashed consoles.[/QUOTE] Also Halo on the 360 ran at 30 FPS at 760p, not Adaptive 1080p @60fps. They did not trade gameplay and features of graphics, the game looks great but they certainty allocated more resources to gameplay development. Framerate directly affects gameplay, not graphics.

[QUOTE=Zeos;48998726]I will never get over how someone okayed the origin of the Flood being due to past humans (an already stupid fucking retcon) sprinkling flood dust on their space poodles. That alone ruined my acceptance of most current story threads[/QUOTE] But [I]nooo[/I], it was written by a [I]well-known sci-fi author[/I], that automatically makes it good writing. Again, this is something somebody else said to me in defense of that.

[QUOTE=Delta616;48998781]Also Halo on the 360 ran at 30 FPS at 760p, not Adaptive 1080p @60fps. They did not trade gameplay and features of graphics, the game looks great but they certainty allocated more resources to gameplay development. Framerate directly affects gameplay, not graphics.[/QUOTE] You can still do 60fps, 1080p and splitscreen on xbox one, the graphics did take over. Don't give me the bullshit that they feed blind fanboys, graphics and coding effects frame rate and res.

MCC is not a solid 60fps in splitscreen, if that is what you're referring to. It has multiple drops in fps. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] H2A isn't even at full 1080p on the Xbone.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48998822]You can still do 60fps, 1080p and splitscreen on xbox one, the graphics did take over. Don't give me the bullshit that they feed blind fanboys, graphics and coding effects frame rate and res.[/QUOTE] Go away with that fanboy mentality bullshit. I'm basing this off experience with the products, both as a consumer and someone who has tested half the damn game. No, it can't, none of the Halo MCC games run at 60FPS in splitscreen, Halo 4 sometimes drops to below 30, and Halo 2 Anniversary MP splitscreen (same engine as Halo 5) drops to below 20. They tested splitscreen, it was shit and did not meet the standards they set for the game. It sucks but shit happens.

[QUOTE=Delta616;48998850]Go away with that fanboy mentality bullshit. I'm basing this off experience with the products, both as a consumer and someone who has tested half the damn game. No, it can't, none of the Halo MCC games run at 60FPS in splitscreen, Halo 4 sometimes drops to below 30, and Halo 2 Anniversary MP splitscreen (same engine as Halo 5) drops to below 20. They tested splitscreen, it was shit and did not meet the standards they set for the game. It sucks but shit happens.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but a lot of your credibility kind of dies with the fact that you claim to be a game tester in probably half of the threads in GGD My question is why did this game HAVE to be 60fps 30 did us fine in all of the other games, this game couldve looked a LOT better and probably had splitscreen if there wasn't this weird obsession with matching COD's 60 fps

Fuck it, I'll be back in a month or so when everyone gets rid of the preorder hype, I had it too with Halo 4, then I realized, oh god, this is shit.

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;48998861]I'm sorry but a lot of your credibility kind of dies with the fact that you claim to be a game tester in probably half of the threads in GGD My question is why did this game HAVE to be 60fps 30 did us fine in all of the other games, this game couldve looked a LOT better and probably had splitscreen if there wasn't this weird obsession with matching COD's 60 fps[/QUOTE] I lack two shits what you think of my credibility, go shitthread a somewhere else. Half the games in GGD? Lol what? I've primarily tested Halo games (excluding 5), Battlefield and a few other EA titles, and Destiny via Bungie's user research program.

[QUOTE=Delta616;48998488]Overwatch you home yet?[/QUOTE] I've been home man. I didn't pop up on your friends list?

[QUOTE=overwatch pvt;48998898]I've been home man. I didn't pop up on your friends list?[/QUOTE] dont know. The Gubefather. On last level then back to MP

How the hell does this thread get into arguements so easily? Seems like we find a reason to argue about everything. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Delta616;48998906]dont know. The Gubefather. On last level then back to MP[/QUOTE] Gonna call it a night, but I'll figure out what's up tomorrow and we can hit a few rounds.

Looking to play Warzone, Legendary co-op, etc, maybe even some MCC if anyone has it. Gamertag's on my profile.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48998670] Then they added mircotransactions in a full priced game. That is fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] If everyone did it in place of paid maps, I'd be perfectly fine with it. Fuck paid map packs. Many times worse than microtransactions. [editline]28th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ElectricSquid;48998798]But [I]nooo[/I], it was written by a [I]well-known sci-fi author[/I], that automatically makes it good writing.[/QUOTE] So was fucking Crysis 2 :x On second to last mission so far, feels like the game hasn't even started. Really good mission and level design and I love the [sp]calm nonviolent "chill with sanghelli/ townsfolk and just listen to people"[/sp] bits, but holy shit is this the worst told story in a Halo title. I had more fucking emotional attachment to Blackburn from Battlefield 3 than fucking boring ass Locke. Ed: woooah I just got meleed by a grunt

There are so many boxes in this thread right now. As far as my $.02 on Halo 5, i think the multiplayer is the best in years and i also think the story was a disappointing shitshow that ruined everything 343i worked to set up in Halo 4. And then there's this, my friend said it best so i'm gonna quote it(Yeah but spoilers so you know you dont have to click this shit): [sp]"im also fucking pissed off that of all the AIs we’ve seen, the ONE leading argument is “please stop killing us”/”stop treating us like slaves” the forerunner AIs were [i]literally[/i] called ancilla and rampancy has always been coded as mental illness (dementia, bpd, depression) purposefully and yet, in-universe, the way they deal with rampant AIs is synonymous with lobotomy and euthanization cortana is leading an army of AI who want to enact what is more or less a galactic dictatorship and the underlying argument is that AIs are tired of being treated like this, like, cortana’s motives align more w making sure the galaxy is at peace (which is fucking weird as hell for her, like, this came out of the blue and its….. ridiculous and ooc, this savior complex) so how, exactly, @ 343i, do you plan to make a group of characters that are treated like mental illness patients in 1900s america come off as being “villains”?"[/sp] Oops. Spoilers. Sorry.