[QUOTE=EcksDee;50343790]I'm not sure if you have the right to downplay getting 7000 fucking Oxium when you spent 125 eur to get it in prime access.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't really have to do anything with this. I have grinded every other frame/Prime the usual way. And I also have 24k Oxium sitting in my inventory.
And I'm also grinding Oxium and the Vauban parts for/with my buddy. Like I said, I think the only real problem is the Nitain which is locked behind timed alerts. Should have been the good old orokin cells and the argon crystals instead.
[QUOTE=Judqment8;50343829]That doesn't really have to do anything with this. I have grinded every other frame/Prime the usual way. And I also have 25k Oxium sitting in my inventory.
And I'm also grinding Oxium and the Vauban parts for/with my buddy. Like I said, I think the only real problem is the Nitain which is locked behind timed alerts. Should have been the good old orokin cells and the argon crystals instead.[/QUOTE]
Ok so in normal gameplay you've gathered 25k without particularly focusing on oxium, right?
You have 2000 hours in warframe.
So what you're telling people is that, if they were to start from 0-ish oxium today, they would need to play 600-800 hours without farming for oxium particularly.
Or, alternately, if we assume that grinding oxium is 10x faster than you gain it playing casually, you're saying it's normal to spend 60-80 hours in-game farming for one resource.
This game has a pretty healthy community going on, i don't understand DE's need to make it grindy as fuck and to milk their whales the way they do. It's something you'd expect from a f2p game on it's last legs, not this one.
I'd LIKE to give DE the benefit of the doubt here, but I think "reducing the grind" has become a buzz phrase for them to please the masses, I just hope people cause enough of noise to get a response from them and hopefully learn from their mistake.
Hopefully update 19, makes void grinding less of a snore, too.
I'm saying that you can easily make that 7k Oxium in a week of "casual" play-time if you just have a correct group and a mission for it. Then again I do understand that it's not the fastest thing to grind and that the amount could be lower considering that you are farming for the parts as well.
I have never really grinded for Oxium myself except when I was crafting my Zephyr back in the days.
Also it's not like every person in the game HAS to get the latest Prime warframe instantly and with little effort. Of course veteran players have an advantage because they have played for so long and have more stuff in their pockets. Not like every MR 6 player should just start grinding the shiny new thing when they have plenty of other stuff to do as well.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;50343888]What makes boob prime so special that he needs 20x the effort to grind for over other primes[/QUOTE]
It having even smaller drop chances than others ever.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;50343888]What makes boob prime so special that he needs 20x the effort to grind for over other primes[/QUOTE]
Just wait till Nekros Prime gets released. 14k Tellurium and 40 Nitains.
and new argon nitain
Is it just me or does Carrier Prime obstruct the camera much more than the normal one? Like, it's sitting on top of my head instead of off and to the left.
And I just failed the MR11 test because I reached the end after shooting all the red bubbles only to have the objective point to the middle of space with no more platforms. Time ran out and I failed. I have to wait 24 hours because some inept motherfucker at DE decided to be clever?
I thought that the past few weapons were bad, but do they seriously need to make items that fresher players legit cannot obtain? I take breaks from the game a lot but I have a load of hours in playing the game and I have no where near the resources to build them.
Why? Because despite grinding out parts, I don't play the same level over and over again because all I would get from it would be one specific resource.
That's not to say that I haven't grinded out that stuff before but I am not going to do the gameplay equivalent of watching crops grow. Especially when you need thousands upon thousands of a resource which drops 10 at a time.
No sane regular player can get these items even if they never spent a single thing of oxium by playing passively
Isn't there a fancy word for this phenomenon? Powercreeping or something?
Creep in general. It's resource creep, technically. Not much of a creep though, more like a sickening lurch.
Given the likely intent is to make prime access more appealing, I'd go for price gouging instead.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;50343448]I think Vauban should take 30 Argon instead. I mean getting that would be easy because you will have over 100 at the time you've got the parts.[/QUOTE]
If you give up halfway and go to bed then you lose half of it. 30 is not so bad but imagine if it were like 300. The scary thing is that I can imagine DE doing that eventually.
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ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?
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You're sitting on 2580 ducats, sir.
Don't you know that literally everything needs to be at a fixed 20 minute point in one mission?
Perfectly fun and fine. Not like we're sitting on the announced void rework for nearly two years now.
Or the new Star Chart that was supposed to come with a major update like threeupdates ago
I think it's rather hilarious how the normal Vauban is actually easier to obtain than the Prime version.
I mean shit by the time you have all the parts you already gathered all normal Vauban Parts, crafted and formad twice.
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ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling that Hikou Prime won't be worth much when Nyx gets vaulted :v:
[QUOTE=Judqment8;50343881]I'm saying that you can easily make that 7k Oxium in a week of "casual" play-time if you just have a correct group and a mission for it. Then again I do understand that it's not the fastest thing to grind and that the amount could be lower considering that you are farming for the parts as well.
I have never really grinded for Oxium myself except when I was crafting my Zephyr back in the days.
Also it's not like every person in the game HAS to get the latest Prime warframe instantly and with little effort. Of course veteran players have an advantage because they have played for so long and have more stuff in their pockets. Not like every MR 6 player should just start grinding the shiny new thing when they have plenty of other stuff to do as well.[/QUOTE]
You're asking people to dedicate hours and hours of their time grinding for a single resource after hours and hours of trying rot C for a chance at a single part
Do you really think the constant void grind isn't enough? Why add insane resource costs?
Not only that, but many people were looking forward to the prime version of their favorite frame AFTER a huge rework of his abilities and you're brushing it off as "well, you don't HAVE to have it!" jesus christ
[QUOTE=EcksDee;50343838]Or, alternately, if we assume that grinding oxium is 10x faster than you gain it playing casually, you're saying it's normal to spend 60-80 hours in-game farming for one resource.[/QUOTE]
No, not at all.
You could probably grind it out in under 2-3 hours playing on cereberus.
You can gets hundreds per round (It's interception), especially if you're using loot multiplying frames.
Not that you should have to grind that long at the most efficient spot for that resource for one part, but you're exaggerating when you're saying it would take nearly a week straight of grinding to get enough of that one resource (Assuming you're not trying to farm it from regular missions where oxium ospreys are rarer).
Also I believe Nitain is now farmable from moon sabotage or something? I've never really needed to farm it though because for weeks I always hit up any Nitain alert I saw just because it was a new resource, but I do believe it's farmable. Not sure how long it would take to get though, I'm not familiar with the mission set or the drop rate.
Now I'm not trying to justify the new resource costs but you guys are making it seem way worse than it is for players who don't know any better and making it sound like he's going to take a month of straight resource farming to obtain which is inaccurate.
(Edit: Also make sure to bring four players for oxium farming, to ensure you can actually win the interception (Fuck that map) and get maximum spawns, make sure to bring aggressive frames/weapons that can actually kill the ospreys at a high rate).
To everyone who's heard that Nitain can drop from Ship Sabotage: yes it can, but the odds are extremely low, about 1/50 at the high level ones and the mission itself is about 10 minutes, because it uses weird layout, and can take more time than Orokin Sabotage. It might as well not be there.
[QUOTE=Edge97;50345610]To everyone who's heard that Nitain can drop from Ship Sabotage: yes it can, but the odds are extremely low, about 1/50 at the high level ones and the mission itself is about 10 minutes, because it uses weird layout, and can take more time than Orokin Sabotage. It might as well not be there.[/QUOTE]
Ain't it exactly 1% chance? With the Xiphos ship parts being 0.5% chance.
[QUOTE=Robotboy655;50345617]Ain't it exactly 1% chance? With the Xiphos ship parts being 0.5% chance.[/QUOTE]
It's 0.67% on low level ones, 1% on middle ones, and 2% on hard level ones.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50345463]No, not at all.
You could probably grind it out in under 2-3 hours playing on cereberus.
You can gets hundreds per round (It's interception), especially if you're using loot multiplying frames.
Not that you should have to grind that long at the most efficient spot for that resource for one part, but you're exaggerating when you're saying it would take nearly a week straight of grinding to get enough of that one resource (Assuming you're not trying to farm it from regular missions where oxium ospreys are rarer).
Also I believe Nitain is now farmable from moon sabotage or something? I've never really needed to farm it though because for weeks I always hit up any Nitain alert I saw just because it was a new resource, but I do believe it's farmable. Not sure how long it would take to get though, I'm not familiar with the mission set or the drop rate.
Now I'm not trying to justify the new resource costs but you guys are making it seem way worse than it is for players who don't know any better and making it sound like he's going to take a month of straight resource farming to obtain which is inaccurate.
(Edit: Also make sure to bring four players for oxium farming, to ensure you can actually win the interception (Fuck that map) and get maximum spawns, make sure to bring aggressive frames/weapons that can actually kill the ospreys at a high rate).[/QUOTE]
No one should be dumbing this, harvester is 100% right. The resource costs are retarded but there's no way it'd take a competent player 80 hours, let's be real here. He didn't say he's justifying the resource costs and neither am I but if you try and advocate for lower resource costs by quoting nonsense figures the developers are just going to assume you're clueless and it won't get us anywhere
My main issue here is that this is nothing new and that's unacceptable. Every time a prime set comes out some bullshit amount gets sloughed into T3S or other survivals and defense missions, the least rewarding, most already oversaturated piece of shit missions that I could complete while fast asleep. There is no challenge, no sense of accomplishment, they just stick Prime parts willy-nilly on a mission that already contains like a dozen other items [I]on top of[/I] terrible rewards like fusion cores or forma.
And you know what happens every time? People raise hell, DE doesn't fucking listen, then a dev-stream comes up and "Oh we hear ya we hear ya, we're working on eliminating grind/void/a way to get prime parts etc" [B]Two YEARS[/B] of hearing that every couple of dev-streams and it's enough. DE have no idea what they're doing and only care to rake in the money they get from the disgustingly overpriced Prime Access.
Then there is the fucking terrible resource costs, I though Argon was a bad choice, but holee fuck the prime item's are like a bad joke. Yet they know, they fucking know and new players are completely and utterly fucked because, guess what, unless you grind a shitton, you're not getting these items, let alone the fact that nothing in the game tells you where to get specialty resources, or the fact that if you don't play that often lolol no nitain, or argon disappearing for no fucking reason.
If I could have decided how Vauban Prime was released, I would have had Baro Sell all of his parts for ducats. That way you could run any void mission you want to get the parts, and it would follow the theme of his regular variant.
Hey so, to sidetrack from VP drama due to terrible void placement and resource costs, got a question about what you all think relating to life strike. I've been having some fun playing around with it but I'm trying to figure out what would be the best weapon to use with it. My ideal criteria I think is long range and fast attacking so I'm playing with Scoliac right now, but I'm curious if any of you use life strike and what weapons you like to use it with
Does it work when you detonate glaives?
[QUOTE=soulharvester;50346273]Does it work when you detonate glaives?[/QUOTE]
Didn't think about that... gonna give it a try
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