Black Mesa Source V5 - "They're still working on Xen?" - Games

[QUOTE=Xubs;47893875]the plan is: the military kills the scientists and aliens, the blackops kill the military, the navy kills the blackops, the air force kills the navy, PMCs kill the air force, insurgents kill the PMCs, the secretary of state kills the insurgents, the vice president kills the secretary of state, and finally the president kills the vice president[/QUOTE] And then the president's gun is ordered to kill the president.

[QUOTE=Dr. Kyuros;47895610]They were annihilated along with every other military force during the Seven Hour War, where else? Hell, it's even more likely that the HECU were disbanded after being pulled out of Black Mesa since the mission was pretty much deemed a complete failure by that point. [/QUOTE] Earth's military forces weren't all annihilated, they took a heavy beating and surrendered. Whatever was left was probably commandeered by the Combine and used to begin reestablishing order, monitoring relocations, controlling Xenian pests, etc. They would likely remain in service until the Transhuman Soldier was perfected, then they would be converted. The remains HECU was probably absorbed into another unit or units, who were doing huge damage control after the portal storms caused Xenians to randomly teleport in[I]all across the planet[/I].

[QUOTE=Sonador;47893749]Reminder that valve canon is shaky at best. The general idea is that someone, somewhere in power was afraid Black Mesa's secret would become public knowledge, and ordered the entire facility expunged. The specific branch and nature of the military that did it is pretty irrelevant. I do seem to remember Sierra's GOTY manual referring to them as the US ARMY HECU Detachment though.[/QUOTE] You're right that it is never specified what type of military unit was sent in but I think it makes more sense that it was a joint operation between the military,marines and black ops until the black ops were told to kill everyone including the soldiers. [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=bucabuca;47894150]Or they were hiding from Black Ops . And they just had the luck to Freeman appear and eliminate Black Ops for then and appear like a fool to be hit on the head.[/QUOTE] Maybe the military was working with the Black ops at first but by the time Gordon leaves for xen the blackops turn on the military. Edit: On another note I think it'd be cool if someone made desert camo for the HECU soldiers that appear outdoors later on in the game.

Keep in mind that Blops showed up AFTER FaF. It's reasonable to consider that any military personnel left behind afterward were considered casualties, and although Blops may not have not been ordered directly to kill the military, a blanket "Eliminate all resistance" would suffice if Blops considered the a threat to their objective

For some reason I've always preferred playing inside the Black Mesa facility to Half Life 2's setting. There's just something so well crafted about the facility, both in BM and in the original HL1 that holds up really well to me.

[QUOTE=Sonador;47896649]Keep in mind that Blops showed up AFTER FaF. It's reasonable to consider that any military personnel left behind afterward were considered casualties, and although Blops may not have not been ordered directly to kill the military, a blanket "Eliminate all resistance" would suffice if Blops considered the a threat to their objective[/QUOTE] I also found out something interesting apparently the black ops were originally supposed to help the security guards to clean up the facility along with the HECU but the government told them not to so they decided to kill everyone and everything at Black Mesa. From the Half-life wiki While it is stated that the HECU and the Black Ops are officially known to enter the facility in the event of an emergency and work with the Security Force as "a dangerous and very efficient clean-up crew"[5] (although some employees consider it a rumor[6]), they are shown to work independently, killing all living things inside the base, whether they are Black Mesa employees, HECU soldiers, or Xen lifeforms, and eventually destroying Black Mesa itself altogether through use of a nuclear weapon.

I like to think the HECU's "exterminate everyone" order was sabotage by Gman. If they'd just work with the facility as it was planned, things may have been okay. But it wouldn't get Gman the results he wanted if Gordon was simply rescued in WGH, and a target order specifically for Freeman might not motivate him enough and he may simply surrender. Backed against a wall with his coworkers dying round him though, Gordon would show his true potential in the ultimate trial by fire.

I always thought that the US government was keeping their eyes on Black Mesa a while prior to the Black Mesa Incident, due to the facility's experiments communicating and researching alien life, and may explain why they were fairly quick to send the HECU and Black Ops to an isolated facility in the middle of the desert.

[QUOTE=Xubs;47893875]the plan is: the military kills the scientists and aliens, the blackops kill the military, the navy kills the blackops, the air force kills the navy, PMCs kill the air force, insurgents kill the PMCs, the secretary of state kills the insurgents, the vice president kills the secretary of state, and finally the president kills the vice president and now nobody is left who knows of the secret of the terrible things that have happened at Black Mesa except for the President, and nobody else will ever know. You can never be too sure.[/QUOTE] Then the President gets killed by the illuminati and the illuminati gets killed by the aliens [editline]7th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47895877]Earth's military forces weren't all annihilated, they took a heavy beating and surrendered. Whatever was left was probably commandeered by the Combine and used to begin reestablishing order, monitoring relocations, controlling Xenian pests, etc. They would likely remain in service until the Transhuman Soldier was perfected, then they would be converted. The remains HECU was probably absorbed into another unit or units, who were doing huge damage control after the portal storms caused Xenians to randomly teleport in[I]all across the planet[/I].[/QUOTE] I never understood the seven hour war. If one man (Gordon) can just cause as much havoc as he does in HL2 and it's episodes, how is it that the whole planet surrendered in just seven hours? Also if they know they'd get transformed into combine or whatever, why would they surrender? Why not just keep fighting? Tens of millions of people would keep fighting that's for sure. The combine forces on Earth don't look that advanced. Where are the nukes? Would the nation leaders step down so quickly even though they'd know that the whole planet and their species is doomed if they do? It's just so unbelievable. I could believe it if we'd see some really advanced tech from the combine, but we don't. Especially since they are dependent on local transportation on Earth.

[QUOTE=Adarrek;47897903]I never understood the seven hour war. If one man (Gordon) can just cause as much havoc as he does in HL2 and it's episodes, how is it that the whole planet surrendered in just seven hours? Also if they know they'd get transformed into combine or whatever, why would they surrender? Why not just keep fighting? Tens of millions of people would keep fighting that's for sure. The combine forces on Earth don't look that advanced.[/quote] - The Overwatch forces aren't anything near representative of the Combine forces. They're an experiment, mankind's bid to join the Union. Breen tells us as much. If the Overwatch can't handle things, he says, the actual Combine will have to step in, again. This is also literally the plot of EP2. - How would the world leaders be aware of the long-term consequences of surrender? I imagine their choice was either total annihilation at the hands of the Combine, or subjugation. I'm certain that whoever didn't want to surrender didn't, but I doubt they would be around for long. Of course the resistance exists, but it rose in the aftermath. [QUOTE=Adarrek;47897903]Where are the nukes? Would the nation leaders step down so quickly even though they'd know that the whole planet and their species is doomed if they do? It's just so unbelievable. I could believe it if we'd see some really advanced tech from the combine, but we don't. Especially since they are dependent on local transportation on Earth.[/QUOTE] Citadels fell on all the major metropolises of Earth, where [i]everybody[/i] had relocated prior to the Seven Hour War. Everybody lives there. Nukes would be collective suicide. Anyway, who's to say it didn't happen once or something?

And if they launch the nukes ? Combines have technology to end our reproductive cycle , screw our atmosphere and our seas. In addition to biogenetic technology that became an empire. Honestly, I think they have a device that makes nukes seem like child party firework.

[QUOTE=bucabuca;47898428] Combines have technology to end our reproductive cycle , screw our atmosphere and our seas. In addition to biogenetic technology that became an empire. [/QUOTE] That happens slowly though and doesn't the first part only happen in certain areas.

[QUOTE=Adarrek;47897903]I never understood the seven hour war. If one man (Gordon) can just cause as much havoc as he does in HL2 and it's episodes, how is it that the whole planet surrendered in just seven hours?[/QUOTE] The Combine Overwatch are an occupation force, the invasion force left after things were stable. Like Chrille said, preventing the invasion force from returning is literally the plot to EP2.

so I made a quick [sp2]and cheerfull[/sp2] addon for the .357 to give it the laser-pointer thing back [IMG]http://i57.tinypic.com/118ineo.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/2nss8dk.jpg[/IMG] you can download it here, if you fancy: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=457151266[/url]

Oh shit

[QUOTE=WhyNott;47899958]so I made a quick [sp2]and cheerfull[/sp2] addon for the .357 to give it the laser-pointer thing back [IMG]http://i57.tinypic.com/118ineo.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/2nss8dk.jpg[/IMG] you can download it here, if you fancy: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=457151266[/url][/QUOTE] Interesting this is great for multiplayer.

So I was adding the Black Ops from Joint Operations into retail BMS, and I decided to make a small map based off the final parts of "Friendly Fire" in Opposing Force. I'm not a good mapper, so. [t]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/27366287307971920/7E65A366CA92C5F15A2FC612E3DE6D90646C3AD9/[/t] [t]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/27366287307985469/0B2EF14AFEAD30ABF18A6CA33927E3A3DA0BA23E/[/t] [t]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/27366287308002611/3AA0D3AD9EAB0311185599A571B1C95716326220/[/t] [t]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/27366287308022997/30385001576CE213D71ECEF211D96CE6D682DC45/[/t] The Black Ops have special entries in character_manifest so that they don't clash with regular BM (blackopshelmet, blackopsmask, blackopsnv, blackopsrandom), and during fights and stuff they are completely silent just like in OP4. VOX also plays special announcements ("FF_3 (p130) buzwarn buzwarn command reports military security breach, questioning authorized {Len 5.51}", "FF_0 buzwarn buzwarn attention, all military personnel report topside for immediate security check {Len 8.00}l) that I created, but as there are no subtitles for any of those you can't know that through the screenshots.

another day, another person convinced that the humanoid combine forces were an accurate representation of what they could've been using before they discovered earth

How would one add those blops to his custom map?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47895877]Earth's military forces weren't all annihilated, they took a heavy beating and surrendered. Whatever was left was probably commandeered by the Combine and used to begin reestablishing order, monitoring relocations, controlling Xenian pests, etc. They would likely remain in service until the Transhuman Soldier was perfected, then they would be converted. The remains HECU was probably absorbed into another unit or units, who were doing huge damage control after the portal storms caused Xenians to randomly teleport in[I]all across the planet[/I].[/QUOTE] My headcanon is that the surviving military personnel went into hiding after the 7 hour war and founded local Resistance chapters. But that's just me.

[QUOTE=adamsz;47906304]My headcanon is that the surviving military personnel went into hiding after the 7 hour war and founded local Resistance chapters. But that's just me.[/QUOTE] This makes a huge sense. After all they knew to train the rebels, and perhaps then had actual knowledge that Freeman was a hero and not a villain .

Got a free key for it. Decided to give it a try. Died in the first 30 minutes. Rage quit.

[QUOTE=RockyTV;47906741]Got a free key for it. Decided to give it a try. Died in the first 30 minutes. Rage quit.[/QUOTE] You're not being serious are you

[QUOTE=Tuskin;47906883]You're not being serious are you[/QUOTE] I am. Although my total playtime is 3 hours, I actually played 30 minutes. I don't know why, but HL2 monsters scare me.

but 30 minutes isn't that just the tram ride at the begining

Smells like a bait.

[QUOTE=RockyTV;47906741]Got a free key for it. Decided to give it a try. Died in the first 30 minutes. Rage quit.[/QUOTE] hello dsp

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[t]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/34121686751522912/2BAD8587EA36026589665475AE65107E00186903/[/t] Seems like it's got a case of the ol' double-eye.

I love Black Mesa's feel of pulpy sci-fi horror. I've heard it described as broccoli covered chocolate. I think that's something a lot of people don't catch on to about Half-Life.