XCOM V4: "Svinnik - Why is Shen's daughter asian, when Shen is black?" - Games

Perma or it's not worth toxxing

[url]https://twitter.com/XCOM/status/691008936833449984[/url] As if people needed another reason to see the new XFiles!

[QUOTE=Robinate;49599544]I remember an article in late 2014 mentioning it, so chances are that XCOM 2's story was already finished at the time. I highly doubt that it's of any relevance though.[/QUOTE] November 2014 "but your ultimate psi soldier in XCOM,[sp] 'The Volunteer,' does NOT die at the end of the game. Everybody assumes that the soldier dies, but actually, they disappear before the Temple Ship explodes[/sp]. I'm not sure anyone got that." If it's that unimportant, why even bother to mention something that everyone already had the answer too, [sp] the volunteer forces the rest of the team out the exit door, takes the ship out of earth orbit before it creates a mini Blackhole and explodes, saving earth and dying in the process, that is the cannon we all saw and now we are told that actually we're all wrong, the volunteer is alive. For what possible reason would they divulge that information?[/sp] And as this seems to be constantly overlooked by everyone when they look at my posts, the fact that Xcom 2 takes place in the reality where X-Com lost the war at the start does not mean anything, [sp]because the Volunteer is not from XCom2's reality.[/sp] We are talking about space, aliens, telekinesis, mind control and all kind of science fiction tropes. The idea of Alternate dimensions is certainly not out there at all especially as the temple ship [sp]was in the process of creating a Blackhole something which in the land of science fiction (and actual theoretical science) goes hand in hand with time travel and alternate dimensions.[/sp] It may not come to mean anything at all, iv'e said that myself, but it it very easily could be the above. I will conceed that my love for stargate has fueled this idea with it's many alternate reality storylines but as iv'eprobbaly said before, stargate and xcom share alot of similarities.

[QUOTE=Fr3ddi3;49600442]November 2014 "but your ultimate psi soldier in XCOM,[sp] 'The Volunteer,' does NOT die at the end of the game. Everybody assumes that the soldier dies, but actually, they disappear before the Temple Ship explodes[/sp]. I'm not sure anyone got that." If it's that unimportant, why even bother to mention something that everyone already had the answer too, [sp] the volunteer forces the rest of the team out the exit door, takes the ship out of earth orbit before it creates a mini Blackhole and explodes, saving earth and dying in the process, that is the cannon we all saw and now we are told that actually we're all wrong, the volunteer is alive. For what possible reason would they divulge that information?[/sp] And as this seems to be constantly overlooked by everyone when they look at my posts, the fact that Xcom 2 takes place in the reality where X-Com lost the war at the start does not mean anything, [sp]because the Volunteer is not from XCom2's reality.[/sp] We are talking about space, aliens, telekinesis, mind control and all kind of science fiction tropes. The idea of Alternate dimensions is certainly not out there at all especially as the temple ship [sp]was in the process of creating a Blackhole something which in the land of science fiction (and actual theoretical science) goes hand in hand with time travel and alternate dimensions.[/sp] It may not come to mean anything at all, iv'e said that myself, but it it very easily could be the above.[/QUOTE] nah [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] it's just too hammy [editline]24th January 2016[/editline] everyone who didn't play EU wouldn't have a clue what was going on and how could they even do that without a save import? they even said themselves that the vast majority of players never finished the game

[QUOTE=Broguts;49599592][B]the ending is going to involve the Volunteer coming through a portal from the reality where XCOM won[/B], he will then help you defeat the Aliens in this reality OR, he came through the portal at the same time the aliens showed up and foolishly tried to help them to see if he could end the war and save as many lives as possible. If neither of these is the case ban me for a week :toxx:[/QUOTE] I not even gonna keep the spoilers because it's a dumb theory. And the reason it's a dumb theory is because it's a dumb plot. That's [I]deux ex machina[/I], a plot where the solution at the very end of the story arrives out of nowhere. This term was created by Aristotle, and he hated this kind of plot. So it comes down to asking yourself- do you really think Firaxis is so incompetent that they would create a plot that has been recognised as terrible for well over two thousand years? [editline]25th January 2016[/editline] Also this reeks of wish fulfillment and what commodore said- that would require playing EU to understand and considering how expensive games are, it's generally very desirable for games to have self-contained plots

or maybe the "volunteer" is alive because in the xcom 2 timeline, events never got far enough for them to do any volunteering in the first place

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49600510]I not even gonna keep the spoilers because it's a dumb theory. And the reason it's a dumb theory is because it's a dumb plot. That's [I]deux ex machina[/I], a plot where the solution at the very end of the story arrives out of nowhere. This term was created by Aristotle, and he hated this kind of plot. So it comes down to asking yourself- do you really think Firaxis is so incompetent that they would create a plot that has been recognised as terrible for well over two thousand years? [editline]25th January 2016[/editline] Also this reeks of wish fulfillment and what commodore said- that would require playing EU to understand and considering how expensive games are, it's generally very desirable to have self-contained plots[/QUOTE] Why would you need to have played XCom EU to know whats going on? A strange person with unmatched psionic powers has been found in an advent research base we need you to go rescue them. The person you find is a player created VIP and they have a few subtle line 'this is not how the worlds suppose to be', or 'hows the commander these days' or just a simple mission report which gives subtle hints like 'subject clearly disillusion, claims to have already won the war before' Like Modern warfare 2 when Soap hands the Colt 45 to Price, unless you played MW you'd have no idea what that meant, but as a fan you would. Or how about more closer to home with Guile's hair in EU / EW. It could be as subtle or as in your face as they dare make it, and lets face it X-Com is a specialist game / genre, if your interested in it you'd at least know the story even if you had'nt finished it personally. Hell what if we oursevles are the volunteer :v:

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49600510]I not even gonna keep the spoilers because it's a dumb theory. And the reason it's a dumb theory is because it's a dumb plot. That's [I]deux ex machina[/I], a plot where the solution at the very end of the story arrives out of nowhere. This term was created by Aristotle, and he hated this kind of plot. So it comes down to asking yourself-[B] do you really think Firaxis is so incompetent that they would create a plot that has been recognised as terrible for well over two thousand years?[/B] [/QUOTE] That's about the size of it yeah. XCOM2 is going to be a great game and I'm going to have a fun time with it, but I have absolutely zero expectations for the plot to be any good.

why would the plot need to be anything more than an excuse to shoot aliens

[QUOTE=Conro101;49600731]why would the plot need to be anything more than an excuse to shoot aliens[/QUOTE] Why can't there be both good plot and alien shooty?

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49596633]Three year old (huge) interview I found [url]http://www.polygon.com/features/2013/1/31/3928710/making-of-xcoms-jake-solomon-firaxis-sid-meier[/url] Pretty weird to find out that it'd been in the works since 2003 and had not one but TWO really crap prototypes, and then the third attempt was the brilliant Enemy Unknown as we know it. I didn't know Jake struggled so much for XCOM. [editline]25th January 2016[/editline][/QUOTE] That was the most interesting interviews I've read in a long time. Fantastic stuff; shed a lot of light not just on xcom, but how to overcome roadblocks in development.

I'm not expecting deep plot, but I'm hoping for some more ethical discussions, like Shen before he got neutered for EW. I loved listening to Shen's comments on the moral implications of what XCOM is doing and some of the technology they have developed.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;49600746]Why can't there be both good plot and alien shooty?[/QUOTE] Sure, it'd be nice, but this is the series with such classic plots as "Aliens, to be shot at," "Aliens, to be shot at, but underwater," and "Aliens, to be shot at, but in space" I'd be pleasantly surprised if there was deep and ethical discussions and a gripping plot, but I'm happy for it to be a backdrop for a cool alien shooting terrorism simulator

I'm hoping that Vahlen will burst through a wall, shouting her own name, while being juiced by Meld. [t]https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPoC2y5Lv9G2t2ZMuknTwrnFsU2M-vVWSIDrXEoW5mo5v3D8Ml[/t]

[QUOTE=Damoman;49600810]I'm hoping that Vahlen will burst through a wall, shouting her own name, while being juiced by Meld. [t]https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRPoC2y5Lv9G2t2ZMuknTwrnFsU2M-vVWSIDrXEoW5mo5v3D8Ml[/t][/QUOTE] If I blew up those weapon fragments, would you die?

i think its the volunteer, they say they got their best weapon back in the most recent trailer, and its a person being freed from the green goo canister.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;49600959]i think its the volunteer, they say they got their best weapon back in the most recent trailer, and its a person being freed from the green goo canister.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be you, the commander. You're the greatest weapon of humanity.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;49600970]I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be you, the commander. You're the greatest weapon of humanity.[/QUOTE] that just sounds extremely silly compared to a super human who has the ability to create black holes with his mind.

Eh, I guess we'll see soon enough

[QUOTE=codemaster85;49600974]that just sounds extremely silly compared to a super human who has the ability to create black holes with his mind.[/QUOTE] Maybe the Commander is the volunteer. That's how you remotely control the teams.

Tbh I think it would be kind of interesting for the game to explore the Commander more in-depth as a character Maybe like have him/her customizable and play a bigger role in the game

X files tease was just a 30 second ad

Also I wasn't aware people hated Vahlen so much :v:

[QUOTE=Broguts;49600693]but I have absolutely zero expectations for the plot to be any good.[/QUOTE] Right, so you toxxed knowing that your plot idea was bad? I am actually rolling my eyes here at all these posts about the volunteer coming back.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49601191]Right, so you toxxed knowing that your plot idea was bad? I am actually rolling my eyes here at all these posts about the volunteer coming back.[/QUOTE] Only acceptable mention of the Volunteer would be Bradford telling you that they ran across some soldier who helped them locate and rescue the Commander stating the Commander would be the best bet for humanity to win. And then he then died to a thin mint.

[QUOTE=ScottyWired;49601191]Right, so you toxxed knowing that your plot idea was bad? I am actually rolling my eyes here at all these posts about the volunteer coming back.[/QUOTE] why would the commander be the great weapon, why the fuck would you keep someone like that with you. he offers literally almost no positives compared to a super human whos more powerful than the supreme ethereal.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;49601212]why would the commander be the great weapon, why the fuck would you keep someone like that with you. he offers literally almost no positives compared to a super human whos more powerful than the supreme ethereal.[/QUOTE] "I feel like this dude might be the player of the game we're in, there's literally no way we can lose with him on our side"

[QUOTE=codemaster85;49601212]why would the commander be the great weapon, why the fuck would you keep someone like that with you. he offers literally almost no positives compared to a super human whos more powerful than the supreme ethereal.[/QUOTE] They say it in a few of the trailers. The beginning of XCOM 2 is Bradford working with the last few members of XCOM to retrieve you, the commander, from green-goo cold storage. When you come back, the council leader is all like "now that we have our best weapon, we have a fighting chance against the alien threat." It's in a handful of trailers and in some leaked gameplay. More importantly, since the only canonical foundation in EU/EW is the first third of the campaign (Garth said this in an interview), the Volunteer does not exist in the XCOM 2 timeline. XCOM never got to the point of psionic research, thus no Volunteer was created. Now, going into [I]why[/I] the aliens decided to put the commander on ice is interesting speculation. [sp]Some people think that the reason why is because at the end of The Bureau it's implied that Asaru merged with the mind of the commander, and the ethereals knew this and have been spending the last 20 years trying to figure out how to get him out.[/sp] I know that The Bureau is considered not-canon or in an alternate timeline but it's been confirmed by Firaxis that it falls under the category of "relevant until we say otherwise". [sp]I think XCOM 2 will actually feature several tie-ins to the Bureau because the ethereals in EU/EW call themselves "the greatest failure". The Bureau has incorporeal ethereals aka full-blown Stargate Ancients that figured out how to ascened to a higher plane of existence, and it's suggested in EU/EW that the physical ethereals failed to do so for reasons unknown. Why else would they be "the greatest failure"? Perhaps they think the key is finding new host bodies, and what better place to start than a living human that allegedly has the mind of an ascended ethereal within it?[/sp]

Is there a link to the xcom files teaser anywhere?

It would be cool to play a game where you're one of the smaller resistance groups, and XCOM is like this legendary group that you have little actual contact with. Might be a cool setup for a tabletop game.