Fallout Thread V26: At least it's not a Nuclear Winter - Games

Yeah, it is called an easter egg

Wolfenstein: The Old Blood had a Skyrim helmet in it. Clearly they're the same universe and the Nazi's just became the Thalmor.

[QUOTE=jonu67;49931502]That was and still is one of the most retarded theories over a simple easter egg ever. Plus from what I remember the moons are actually the sundered corpse of the fallen god Lorkhan who fooled the gods into creating the planet and the mortal reality in the first place, plus people gotta remember, the plane of Mundus, the planet Nirn is pretty much located in a dimension enclosed in void beset on from all sides and located inside the realm of Oblivion, "Space" isn't even a thing. The sun and stars are [I]literally[/I] punctures in reality.[/QUOTE] And they don't have spaceships so what the hell do they know? Ofcourse they would think stars are rips in reality and moons are corpses of gods. Like I said, technology has risen and fallen again and now it is nothing but magic and mystery to these people. This might have even happened once or twice. The Dwemer rode the last tech wave out to who knows where. This is clearly later in the universe so just about a million things could have happened, and who knows how much time has passed. The two moons could have been created in some failed terra-forming experiment, or even the moon itself that got fucked up because we built on it too much or something. The amount of time it would take the continents to shift would be ample enough time to reset mythology a few times over. [sp]I don't actually believe this, I am just playing devil's advocate for the theory, because I think it is at least possible.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931600]And they don't have spaceships so what the hell do they know? Ofcourse they would think stars are rips in reality and moons are corpses of gods. Like I said, technology has risen and fallen again and now it is nothing but magic and mystery to these people. This might have even happened once or twice. The Dwemer rode the last tech wave out to who knows where. This is clearly later in the universe so just about a million things could have happened, and who knows how much time has passed. The two moons could have been created in some failed terra-forming experiment, or even the moon itself that got fucked up because we built on it too much or something. The amount of time it would take the continents to shift would be ample enough time to reset mythology a few times over. [sp]I don't actually believe this, I am just playing devil's advocate for the theory, because I think it is at least possible.[/sp][/QUOTE] Considering there actually are rips in reality and gods in the Elder Scrolls universe, it doesn't seem unlikely that they actually are right about those things.

They're not even the same model, Skyrim left, Fallout 4 right [t]https://i.imgur.com/Xew0Vak.png[/t]

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[QUOTE=nightlord;49931630]Considering there actually are rips in reality and gods in the Elder Scrolls universe, it doesn't seem unlikely that they actually are right about those things.[/QUOTE] Who knows what funky stuff happens when you reach high levels of technology? Rips in reality seem totally fine in Doctor who due to time-wimey space nonsense, why can't they be possible in this 'real' world as well? After you hit such a level of technology as to be able to make the elder scrolls (which under this theory would've been made by probably the first major tech wave after fallout), which allow time travel and all kinds of sillyness, you could likely also create tears in reality. The gods things is likely a biproduct of our interactions with alternate dimensions, as evidenced by the portals to oblivion being a thing. It is not a huge leap from time travel to alternate dimensions when you are dealing with a technology powerful enough to potentially disappear a whole society. The further question is: Where the hell do they dissapear to? Maybe some of the spooky 'gods' of the elder scrolls world are just electronic old men who like to fuck with 'nirn' in various ways depending on their character. Hell, they might've even gone insane and begun to believe they are gods themselves. [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Tuskin;49931635]They're not even the same model, Skyrim left, Fallout 4 right [t]https://i.imgur.com/Xew0Vak.png[/t][/QUOTE] Add a few thousand years of evolution to that and we'll talk.

Two Moons.

Is there a decent modding guide up for FO4, sort of like STEP for Skyrim, yet? Can we do merge patches? I've got a bunch of weapon/armor mods that can potentially add to my levelled lists, but I'm not sure what's compatible with FO4 or not yet.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931600]And they don't have spaceships so what the hell do they know? Ofcourse they would think stars are rips in reality and moons are corpses of gods. Like I said, technology has risen and fallen again and now it is nothing but magic and mystery to these people. This might have even happened once or twice. The Dwemer rode the last tech wave out to who knows where. This is clearly later in the universe so just about a million things could have happened, and who knows how much time has passed. The two moons could have been created in some failed terra-forming experiment, or even the moon itself that got fucked up because we built on it too much or something. The amount of time it would take the continents to shift would be ample enough time to reset mythology a few times over. [sp]I don't actually believe this, I am just playing devil's advocate for the theory, because I think it is at least possible.[/sp][/QUOTE] Incidentally, there [I]are[/I] spaceships. The Battlespire from the game of the same name is even essentially a magic space station.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49931686]Two Moons.[/QUOTE] Like I said, high levels of technology fuck with heavenly bodies. What if one of them is a deathstar or some shit? What if a celestial event occur at some point that split the moon in two and alterned the orbits?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931707]Like I said, high levels of technology fuck with heavenly bodies. What if one of them is a deathstar or some shit? What if a celestial event occur at some point that split the moon in two and alterned the orbits?[/QUOTE] No, It's [I]literally[/I] a dead god ripped into pieces for having fooled the rest of the gods into creating the mortal reality, with his heart being sent to Nirn to impact the world and create Red Mountain.

This is one of the dumbest theories I've heard in a LONG time.

[QUOTE=jonu67;49931736]No, It's [I]literally[/I] a dead god split in two for having fooled the rest into creating the mortal reality, with his heart being sent to Nirn to impact the world and create Red Mountain.[/QUOTE] [t]http://www.shoddycast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Masser-Secunda-Moons-1024x576.png[/t] Yeah, literally. I can just restate everything you said in a way that would be "scientific". Like I said, all that stuff is lore, and might just be heavy metaphor. Here's what I mean: It's literally a dead orbiting body that once held life (Moon, actual spacestation?) split in two by some powerful faction for doing something that benefits the people of the world. After its destruction a component of it (terraformer? By then known "magical"-dunwich-artifact?) was transported to the world and it became the causal catalyst for what 'we' now refer to as Red Mountain. Tell that to an average Nord and he'd tell you that you drank too much Mead (Assuming even if it was true). Let me also say: The Cabott questline clearly shows that bethesda allows the idea of ancient civilizations and long ass time-spans. It isn't that much farther of a jump to say they are putting this in terms of deep time.

Also, you know, entire realms of gods being interacting with the regular world, and Nirn basically having a known beginning

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931777] Let me also say: The Cabott questline clearly shows that bethesda allows the idea of ancient civilizations and long ass time-spans. It isn't that much farther of a jump to say they are putting this in terms of deep time.[/QUOTE] Oh god, thanks for referencing one of the worst questlines in FO4. Dunwich Horror was dumb-but-fun. Cabott was just pants-on-head retarded. The point about people saying "Literally" about the origins of Masser, Secunda and Nirn is well taken though, since it is deliberately ambiguous and couched in mythology, much like, say the Bible's take on the origins of the world. What the Aethernauts encountered is very much up for interpretation and then there is C0DA. (Yes, yes, it is crazy, but it is also written by Kirkbride, who is the writer responsible for all the lore currently being discussed)

[QUOTE=Zeos;49931780]Also, you know, entire realms of gods being interacting with the regular world, and Nirn basically having a known beginning[/QUOTE] Dunwich gods and theoretically allowed technological access to other dimensions allows for that. After fallout we got very advanced (or atleast small pockets of us like the institute) and they developed all kinds of spooky shit, perhaps drawing on artifacts like that from Cabot and Dunwich. That went on for a while and we opened a door we couldn't close. Assholes started pouring in and entrenched themselves in our lore. Some of the advanced people might have become a cloud of nanobots or energy or some shit so they can be immortal and now they are some of the other gods, perhaps the difference between aedra and daedra. None of them are going to explain any of this shit to the people of nirn, unless some warlock holds them down, and even then they can give an explanation in terms of the mythology that they have already entrenched themselves in. As for the known beginning, as the intelligent poster above me noted, many people claim to have a "known" beginning to real world earth, that doesn't make them right.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931656]Who knows what funky stuff happens when you reach high levels of technology? Rips in reality seem totally fine in Doctor who due to time-wimey space nonsense, why can't they be possible in this 'real' world as well? After you hit such a level of technology as to be able to make the elder scrolls (which under this theory would've been made by probably the first major tech wave after fallout), which allow time travel and all kinds of sillyness, you could likely also create tears in reality. The gods things is likely a biproduct of our interactions with alternate dimensions, as evidenced by the portals to oblivion being a thing. It is not a huge leap from time travel to alternate dimensions when you are dealing with a technology powerful enough to potentially disappear a whole society. The further question is: Where the hell do they dissapear to? Maybe some of the spooky 'gods' of the elder scrolls world are just electronic old men who like to fuck with 'nirn' in various ways depending on their character. Hell, they might've even gone insane and begun to believe they are gods themselves. [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] Add a few thousand years of evolution to that and we'll talk.[/QUOTE] There is nothing to base any of this on at all. It's all just random speculation without there being any evidence to support it. Of course it is a possibility, but there is no reason at all to believe it's true. It would be like saying Half Life and Dota 2 are both in the same universe because Dota 2 has some vague Half Life easter eggs and there's nothing to suggest it isn't just thousands of years in the future after the Combine have been defeated. We know that there are alternate dimensions and aliens in Half-life, so that explains all the non-human characters! Obviously that's not something anyone would believe and is not the case, but it's just as 'likely' as the Elder Scrolls/Fallout theory.

[QUOTE=nightlord;49931810]There is nothing to base any of this on at all. It's all just random speculation without there being any evidence to support it. Of course it is a possibility, but there is no reason at all to believe it's true. It would be like saying Half Life and Dota 2 are both in the same universe because Dota 2 has some vague Half Life easter eggs and there's nothing to suggest it isn't just thousands of years in the future after the Combine have been defeated. We know that there are alternate dimensions and aliens in Half-life, so that explains all the non-human characters![/QUOTE] Maybe that'd be true if dota was as lore heavy as halflife, but frankly it is all together irrelevant because we are talking about bethesda - a single company. So your analogy isn't completely true. Furthermore the things I am drawing on are supposed to paint a picture of a story. I am try to say why that story could be true, and might be true. I am not saying it ultimately is.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931777][t]http://www.shoddycast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Masser-Secunda-Moons-1024x576.png[/t] Yeah, literally. I can just restate everything you said in a way that would be "scientific". Like I said, all that stuff is lore, and might just be heavy metaphor. Here's what I mean: It's literally a dead orbiting body that once held life (Moon, actual spacestation?) split in two by some powerful faction for doing something that benefits the people of the world. After its destruction a component of it (terraformer? By then known "magical"-dunwich-artifact?) was transported to the world and it became the causal catalyst for what 'we' now refer to as Red Mountain. Tell that to an average Nord and he'd tell you that you drank too much Mead (Assuming even if it was true). Let me also say: The Cabott questline clearly shows that bethesda allows the idea of ancient civilizations and long ass time-spans. It isn't that much farther of a jump to say they are putting this in terms of deep time.[/QUOTE] Mortals see them as moons, mostly because gods in the cosmological sense are...confusing in TES lore. Also they may not be Lorkhan exactly, as the Khajiit belief Lorkhan's body is actually a third moon floating behind them, but they're not just floating bits of rock either way. Fallout is largely identical to our world (other than [I]very small[/I] differences like the invention of Nuka Cola around the same time as Coca Cola and unnoticed alien abductions/related conspiracies) up until WWII. Saying it's the future of TES is nonsense, besides the fact Fallout was originally started by a different company that has never worked on TES, in Kirkbride canon (which may as well be the game's canon, since even on games he didn't develop Bethesda still looks to his unofficial work) we already know the future of TES is Numidium kicking the crap out of reality and breaking time. edit: it is seriously one of the worst overspeculative video game theories out there it only works if you don't look into it at all

[QUOTE=_charon;49931826]Mortals see them as moons, mostly because gods in the cosmological sense are...confusing in TES lore. Also they may not be Lorkhan exactly, as the Khajiit belief Lorkhan's body is actually a third moon floating behind them, but they're not just floating bits of rock either way. Fallout is largely identical to our world (other than [I]very small[/I] differences like the invention of Nuka Cola around the same time as Coca Cola and unnoticed alien abductions/related conspiracies) up until WWII. [B]Saying it's the future of TES is nonsense[/B], besides the fact Fallout was originally started by a different company that has never worked on TES, in Kirkbride canon (which may as well be the game's canon, since even on games he didn't develop Bethesda still looks to his unofficial work) we already know the future of TES is Numidium kicking the crap out of reality and breaking time.[/QUOTE] I am saying fallout is the [B]past[/B] of TES..... by about several tens of thousands of years, if not more. Also you haven't addressed the point. How and why should the mythology be taken literally?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931830]I am saying fallout is the past of TES.....[/QUOTE] Then it still doesn't work because we also know the distant past of TES, there's nowhere for Fallout to fit in. [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931830]I am saying fallout is the [B]past[/B] of TES..... by about several tens of thousands of years, if not more. Also you haven't addressed the point. How and why should the mythology be taken literally?[/QUOTE] Because we've seen it at work. We know it literally exists. We've talked to gods several times, damnit.

[QUOTE=_charon;49931834]Then it still doesn't work because we also know the distant past of TES, there's nowhere for Fallout to fit in.[/QUOTE] How distant is the distant past? Is there a scene in TES games where you see the world being created? Even if the 7 divines themselves came down and told you a story, it could just be because your tiny little brain can't comprehend the distant past or all the sciencey time-wimey stuff that went into it. Like I said, if you read my posts, having gods does not prove anything. If you hit the technological cap who knows what silly shit you can do, like opeing a door to oblivion, or making yourself spookily immortal. After so many years being immortal they might even start to accept and think in terms of themselves as actually "gods".

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931845]How distant is the distant past? Is there a scene in TES games where you see the world being created? Even if the 7 divines themselves came down and told you a story, it could just be because your tiny little brain can't comprehend the distant past or all the sciencey time-wimey stuff that went into it.[/QUOTE] We mostly know before the creation of the universe, and we have inklings about what happened before the before the creation of the universe. Also [B]NINE[/B] Divines, damnit. Eight if the Thalmor are standing behind you.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931825]Maybe that'd be true if dota was as lore heavy as halflife, but frankly it is all together irrelevant because we are talking about bethesda - a single company. So your analogy isn't completely true. Furthermore the things I am drawing on are supposed to paint a picture of a story. I am try to say why that story could be true, and might be true. I am not saying it ultimately is.[/QUOTE] Dota 2 and Half life are both made by Valve, and there is just as much 'evidence' for what i said as the Skyrim/Elder Scrolls theory. Both ideas make no real sense and have basically nothing substantial to support them. There's no reason to believe them. There's no reason to even say it might be true. It relies entirely on guesses and random speculation.

[QUOTE=_charon;49931855]We mostly know before the creation of the universe, and we have inklings about what happened before the before the creation of the universe. Also [B]NINE[/B] Divines, damnit. Eight if you the Thalmor are standing behind you.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I am tired. But maybe you're right. Could you elaborate what we "know" and how we know it? [editline]14th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=nightlord;49931857]Dota 2 and Half life are both made by Valve, and there is just as much 'evidence' for what i said as the Skyrim/Elder Scrolls theory. Both ideas make no real sense and have basically nothing substantial to support them. There's no reason to believe them. There's no reason to even say it might be true. It relies entirely on guesses and random speculation.[/QUOTE] I am arguing why the bethesda idea makes sense, I will leave the minutia of dota 2 and halflife comparison to someone else. One major argument I might press is that they are fundamentally different games where as "Fallout is skyrim is fallout with swords."

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49931859]Sorry, I am tired. But maybe you're right. Could you elaborate what we "know" and how we know it?[/QUOTE] Before the creation of the universe, there was just possibility, and unformed spirits floating around in it. Lorkhan learned of Love in the cosmological sense, of the Amaranth by which a new world could be created, and possibly of how the current Amaranth was formed through violence rather than Love, but also that it could not be done from an immortal's point of view, and so tricked the other spirits into giving themselves up to make a mortal world. Then Convention happened, settling most of the possibility into certainty; at the end of every kalpa, the universe resets to Convention and runs through it again. Before that, we know some vagueness about the Godhead who became the current Amaranth after the death of his lover Nir, blaming his rival and descending into dreams, though we don't 100% know how literal that is or what the previous Amaranth was like.

But wow that Automatron trailer, am I right?

[QUOTE=Pax;49931876]But wow that Automatron trailer, am I right?[/QUOTE] i want my inexplicable floating sentry bot/mr. handy hybrid that's the only god i need edit: a minigun on every surface

[QUOTE=_charon;49931883]i want my inexplicable floating sentry bot/mr. handy hybrid that's the only god i need edit: a minigun on every surface[/QUOTE] The next best thing until we can actually just make robots out of floating bullets. A man can dream.