Half-Life and Portal series, general discussion (v6) - Games

[QUOTE=chonks;48868315]A file named HL3.txt does not just randomly get released in an entirely different game by accident. Odds are Valve intentionally leaked the document to gauge people's reactions to an open world Half-Life game.[/QUOTE] Nothing there at all suggests it is an open world game. Why would you think that? Procedural generation is for NPC spawning, which wouldn't be that unusual. The squads are something where NPCS follow you, HL2 had rebels joining you. This does mention commanding NPCs, but HL2 had NPCs with an output for when they're "ordered to a location by player". The Zipline is part of NPC Rappelling, which is something the Combine did in HL2 and there's no mention of the player being able to use it. The word quest is mentioned for an npc_quest_citizen, but that doesn't mean the game itself actually has quests. The RPG.txt file is for something called "An RPG unit", and it suggests it's a group of NPCs. Other than the file being named HL3, there isn't even anything to suggest this is new or recent. There's even a mention of what to do the game is running using DX7, and i highly doubt that is something Valve are going to consider with the next game.

Well I think names of those files, like "hl3.txt" or "rpg.txt are so obvious that it is hard to NOT consider them as a joke, or messing with fans. However, it's always something.

[QUOTE=Knurr;48868497]Well I think names of those files, like "hl3.txt" or "rpg.txt are so obvious that it is hard to NOT consider them as a joke, or messing with fans. However, it's always something.[/QUOTE] [img]http://nabile.s-ul.eu/M222K4Cs[/img] I don't really see your point. They can be legitimate files.

[QUOTE=Nabile13;48868564]They can be legitimate files.[/QUOTE] Yeah, they are. The txt files added in the update are help files for Hammer.

[QUOTE=Knurr;48868497]Well I think names of those files, like "hl3.txt" or "rpg.txt are so obvious that it is hard to NOT consider them as a joke, or messing with fans. However, it's always something.[/QUOTE] if it is a joke then why would they do that? they would be making fun of themselves.

[QUOTE=Trixil;48868607]if it is a joke then why would they do that? they would be making fun of themselves.[/QUOTE] Maybe just some sick of his job employee, who decided to have some fun. I'm personally pretty sceptical to any HL3 informations. But... would they just leak it? Or rather they intentionally put these files in? How do You think?

[QUOTE=Knurr;48868644]Maybe just some sick of his job employee, who decided to have some fun. I'm personally pretty sceptical to any HL3 informations. But... would they just leak it? Or rather they intentionally put these files in? How do You think?[/QUOTE] as some dude previously mentioned before, they would probably do an arg like what they did with portal.

[QUOTE=Knurr;48868644]Maybe just some sick of his job employee, who decided to have some fun. I'm personally pretty sceptical to any HL3 informations. But... would they just leak it? Or rather they intentionally put these files in? How do You think?[/QUOTE] This build of Dota2 was compiled on a PC with a version of hl3 on it I bet

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48868414]And Ravenholm had an entire area you could miss outright and that was completely optional.[/QUOTE]i'm late and dumb. what part was that?

[QUOTE=Joazzz;48868883]i'm late and dumb. what part was that?[/QUOTE] Near the end of Ravenholm you can find a path to an area off on its own, its a separate map, Grigori even comments that you're going the wrong way. But its got stuff to find and explore there.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48868960]Near the end of Ravenholm you can find a path to an area off on its own, its a separate map, Grigori even comments that you're going the wrong way. But its got stuff to find and explore there.[/QUOTE] wait what what the fuck i never knew this and i played half life 2 so many times i need videos

I've never seen that, but... If you are there does he say "This is the wrong side of town for you! Did I not tell you to seek the church?" or is that on the main path?

What's the map name?

[QUOTE=Butthurter;48869051]i think hes referring to that one really small area where you can literally walk up to the front gates outside the church there was a supply crate somewhere on that street i accidentally reached there back in 04 and had no idea where i had to go because the church gates were closed[/QUOTE] i didn't even know there was a church in ravenholm

[QUOTE=Nabile13;48868228]The Source engine has support for inverse kinematics in single player mode only, so it's definitely possible. Since L4D was multiplayer, it couldn't take advantage of that feature.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.sourceop.com/hell-met/TF2/kinematics2.jpg]huh[/url]

I will shit myself if Half-Life 3 shows up in some form in the coming weeks.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48868960]Near the end of Ravenholm you can find a path to an area off on its own, its a separate map, Grigori even comments that you're going the wrong way. But its got stuff to find and explore there.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about this map? [thumb]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/392169271222410217/FA9FB6D55707880BA260B8E586E3B60343EE97AB/[/thumb] You have to go through there unless you use fun jumping techniques to get over clip brushes.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48868960]Near the end of Ravenholm you can find a path to an area off on its own, its a separate map, Grigori even comments that you're going the wrong way. But its got stuff to find and explore there.[/QUOTE] ???? Isn't that area mandatory for you to get out of ravenholm, since it's the only way to get inside the building and up on the plank that connects the area to the right that leads to the church with the bucket that grigori sends?

[QUOTE=Destroyox;48868363]MGS had a good transition to open world, I don't see why Half-Life couldn't. Especially since driving was a huge part of Episode 2.[/QUOTE] Because Half-Life essencially invented the concept of scripted, single player games. It's linearity was one of its key, defining factors that helped it become the gaming giant we know it as today. Half-Life is supposed to be linear, and straying from that is a bad idea imo.

Half-Life's linearity is even part of the plot; G-man is basically contrived "this is the way you must go" game mechanics in human? form. Not to say it could never ever be open world or anything like that, I just feel Half-Life is better the way it is currently.

[QUOTE=Terin7;48869290]Are you talking about this map? [thumb]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/392169271222410217/FA9FB6D55707880BA260B8E586E3B60343EE97AB/[/thumb] You have to go through there unless you use fun jumping techniques to get over clip brushes.[/QUOTE] Not as I recall. I've bypassed it on accident several times, once while actively searching for it.

no it's definitely not optional unless you grenade jump or some shit though perhaps the one-way door up the apartment glitches and opens up sometimes portal2 update?

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;48869417]Because Half-Life essencially invented the concept of scripted, single player games. It's linearity was one of its key, defining factors that helped it become the gaming giant we know it as today. Half-Life is supposed to be linear, and straying from that is a bad idea imo.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's that combined with pushing technology forward in interesting ways that are fundamental to it. I thought VR would be a prime candidate for HL3 coming from that angle, since it's a whole new unexplored territory, but they outright debunked that recently. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;48869436]Not as I recall. I've bypassed it on accident several times, once while actively searching for it.[/QUOTE]You have to do a grenade jump to skip the map, since you need to go through it to get back on the rooftops, to drop down next to the final building. Unless "Not as I recall" means a different map, in which case is huge news to me, since it would have to be one outside of the d1_town maps.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;48869454] portal2 update?[/QUOTE] steam controller support

The quest stuff is probably left over legacy code from Stars of Blood.

If I worked at Valve it would take me about 20 minutes to start ironically referring to every action I do as being related to HL3. "Just filled the Half Life 3 tax returns, boy did we spend a lot on computer equipment for Half Life 3 this year" "Hey Dave, did you get my Half Life 3 email? I sent it a while ago" "Here are these photocopies of the cat, glad to help the HL3 project in any way I can" "Just mopped up the breakroom floor, Jim vomited everywhere from working on Half Life 3 soo much" "Just going to spend my lunch break taking a five minute nap to get some Half Life 3 ideas going and then straight back to fixing the plumbing!" I would bet money that 'HL3.txt' is just some guy who isn't creative with file names, or some internal joke/codename for Source 2.

[QUOTE=TheTrainRider;48869574]If I worked at Valve it would take me about 20 minutes to start ironically referring to every action I do as being related to HL3. "Just filled the Half Life 3 tax returns, boy did we spend a lot on computer equipment for Half Life 3 this year" "Hey Dave, did you get my Half Life 3 email? I sent it a while ago" "Here are these photocopies of the cat, glad to help the HL3 project in any way I can" "Just mopped up the breakroom floor, Jim vomited everywhere from working on Half Life 3 soo much" "Just going to spend my lunch break taking a five minute nap to get some Half Life 3 ideas going and then straight back to fixing the plumbing!" I would bet money that 'HL3.txt' is just some guy who isn't creative with file names, or some internal joke/codename for Source 2.[/QUOTE] Not only was that an exceptionally shit joke, you apparently havent read the past five pages where people have pulled Half-Life related lines of code from the HL3.txt file.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;48869417]Because Half-Life essencially invented the concept of scripted, single player games. It's linearity was one of its key, defining factors that helped it become the gaming giant we know it as today. Half-Life is supposed to be linear, and straying from that is a bad idea imo.[/QUOTE] It could still be that way. I'd for sure say no to something like Far Cry 2-4, but having open world zones that you progress through the story would be pretty cool. The game has always been getting from A to B. That's why the majority of HL1 takes place in a single complex and a lot of Half-Life 2's story is traveling a long distance to get to an objective. They could easily structure each zone as being big chunks with a central objective in the story. IE: There's a zone that's a coastline you can mess around in and the objective is to reach a Combine base near the beach. It could work if they did it right.

[QUOTE=Destroyox;48869809]It could still be that way. I'd for sure say no to something like Far Cry 2-4, but having open world zones that you progress through the story would be pretty cool. The game has always been getting from A to B. That's why the majority of HL1 takes place in a single complex and a lot of Half-Life 2's story is traveling a long distance to get to an objective. They could easily structure each zone as being big chunks with a central objective in the story. IE: There's a zone that's a coastline you can mess around in and the objective is to reach a Combine base near the beach. It could work if they did it right.[/QUOTE] Not to say it couldn't work, but at that point there is very little reason to do that, just have larger linear levels. With a open world I don't think there would be the same sense of progression because you will just be in one large area rather then in the traditional half life style where you go trough alot of smaller areas that feel very different from each other and give you a good sense of progression. Half life has always been a big poster boy for the linear single player fps, a genera we don't see a lot of triple A's anymore (expect for Wolfenstein: TNO of course... Fucking love wolfenstein) And we don't really need another open world fps.

Just saying, if whatever is an open world, I will just waste time in the vehicles. I already do it in Halo in places like the the Silent Cartographer.