[QUOTE=Tuskin;50947695]The heck is Bazinga Nukem[/QUOTE]
It's what happens when crusty old businessmen try to make Duke Nukem appeal to the new, hip generation.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;50947695]The heck is Bazinga Nukem[/QUOTE]
the new episode for gearbox's planned version of a DN3D re-release has more.. modern pop culture jokes according to info
we'll say duke is unenthusiastic and leave at that
[QUOTE=RikohZX;50947781]the new episode for gearbox's planned version of a DN3D re-release [B]has more.. modern pop culture jokes[/B] according to info
we'll say duke is unenthusiastic and leave at that[/QUOTE]
I see no possible way this can end badly.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;50947781]the new episode for gearbox's planned version of a DN3D re-release has more.. modern pop culture jokes according to info
we'll say duke is unenthusiastic and leave at that[/QUOTE]
if i hear jon st john say bazinga i will pop a testicle
I don't see whats wrong with that, the old Duke games made pop-culture references, why can't new Duke can't?
Then again, he made reference to pop culture from the era he (and the developers) probably grew up in.
He made pop culture references to action movies that his character parodied, with the environment having subtle references to other mediums of pop culture of the time.
This isn't like walking by a TV in-game only to see some knockoff Big Bang Theory parody, this is Duke straight up going "HAHA, BAZINGA!"
He probably spouts a lot of memes too.
a modern duke game is a farce
Hes changed to Fit the era.
Not saying its a good thing, but that is what his character is.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;50948574]Hes changed to Fit the era.
Not saying its a good thing, but that is what his character is.[/QUOTE]
I think you're missing the point.
Duke still had character. He was an egotistical macho man who spouted one liners faster than Arnold and Sylvester combined.
He was the quintessential over the top action hero.
You strip that away, and replace his dialogue with memes and references to shitty sitcoms about nerds, and you strip away his character.
He's no longer running around talking about beating shit up and making one liners, he's a walking, talking, shooting meme encyclopedia who also happens to fight aliens and likes guns and beer and women for some reason.
Who ever said he wouldn't stop being an action hero? He could still reference terminator and die hard and all that. Hes just added to his vocabulary.
duke is too much of a product of his time
the modern equivalent would just be chris evans looking hot and being really sweet while shooting shit
I wouldn't DIS-like that.
Maybe Chris Pratt.
inverse dating sim crossed with third person shooter
shooter protagonist constantly tries to win the affection and attention of the player while battling off hoards of [I]russian ultra-nationalists ебать сука вторгнуться польша[/I]
It'd be an interesting study of player-protagonist interactions in such a tight and strict relationship. (oooh Matron)
Though personally I'd be interested in seeing an FPS where the protagonist gradually comes to realise that their actions are not their own, eventually finding out that you are in control, and by the closing chapters they're begging you to stop as you push them further and further towards your goal, to the point where they try to exploit the cutscenes and takedown animations for brief moments of self-control. In a way, it'd probably end up like Spec Ops: The Line with a side order of horrific existentialism.
I can see where Tuskin is coming from. I think this is a very subjective debate with a dash of objective.
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The objective (imo) is that while Duke is a "product of his times", he is very much one the same way GTA is.
He and his world, is a satire/parody. (DN3D, dunno about any of the others).
He is a mish-mash of popular action-heroes, all kinds of bullshit trope/cliches and male power fantasy.
He is presented as both serious/cool and kind of gritty but also just completely over the top.
If I had to describe Duke, its one of those dark and gritty comic book series.
Where it can be deep and serious but knows to be funny and not take itself too seriously and uses its art-style to provoke a unique identity and feeling in the player.
Stuff like the OJ Simpson chase on TV, the billboards, the LAPD Cops being presented as vicious violent pigs.
Tts all satire/commentary done tongue-in-cheek, if I recall correctly a developer said they wanted to push the envelope of what they could push.
Duke is the American answer to GTA and with that, this is where the subjective factor comes into play.
Could Duke exist in the modern world, could Duke be a worthy series, world, character, and game in 2016?
I'd say yeah, actually, fairly easily depending on the route we want to go.
We could keep Duke as he is, ala DNF but make the writing way less shitty, add back in the grit and suspension of disbelief, and overall it'd feel like a more up to date DN3D.
Have Duke poke fun at current day game and movie trends, perhaps clash with a world that has updated and move on without him.
In a way, the 90s was a perfect place for Duke, it was a conservative cynical sarcastic era that didn't take itself very seriously.
We could wedge that concept of Duke being the same in so many ways.
We could keep the world as wacky as it was or as I said.
We could push it towards a more modern feel and have Duke be like the old grumpy grandpa in the room ready to kick ass.
this alone gives us a lot of "what-if" narratives to play with.
The second, which I am very fond of and would love, would be something a bit more serious, a bit more realistic.
If you were to say, take Wolf:TNO and add in all the Duke grittiness, envelope pushing, comic-book feel while maintaining moments of seriousness, I think it'd honestly make an awesome game.
To me, an intelligent game does not need to be serious and dark and brooding all the time.
In fact much like intelligent people, they should be complex, provoke feelings of all kinds at certain moments, give a lot of depth and variety and keep me engaged.
Like frankly I'd fucking love a Duke game where he is just a little older, a little more worn out, starting the game in a small apartment full of his duke shit.
His guns, some military equipment, porn mags and shit, have Duke say lots of cheeky sarcastic shit as he always did, maybe with a biting edge of anger and worn-out sarcasm.
When shit gets serious he just gets pissed the fuck off. Basically the kind of guy who is a smart-ass until shit really hits the fan.
[editline]25th August 2016[/editline]
So my point is, could it work?
Yeah, I think it could, in a variety of ways. I think it should take risks but be faithful and understand what Duke is, and if it wants to intelligently play on the idea of being an old icon, thus an old man in a world moved on, that would be excellent. DN3D itself was a huge risk, they took some dude's 3D engine to make an FPS when their last two games were side-scrollers.
[editline]25th August 2016[/editline]
I should write a fucking 90s game blog or some shit, I wrote this essay in like 10 minutes.
I still think Yahtzee's version of a modern Duke is the best way to go about it.
I mean, the entire team at the time fucking loved the direction he took, and then one guy (can't remember which one right now), pretty much said, "Nah, I don't like it.", and so we got the Duke we have now in DNF.
Would Serious Sam count as a Retro FPS? I would assume not, but I'm not sure.
[QUOTE=biodude94566;50948964]Would Serious Sam count as a Retro FPS? I would assume not, but I'm not sure.[/QUOTE]
I'd say it counts. Its a different style (horde focus) but its pretty old and similar to other classics
[editline]25th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Civ;50948958]I still think Yahtzee's version of a modern Duke is the best way to go about it.
I mean, the entire team at the time fucking loved the direction he took, and then one guy (can't remember which one right now), pretty much said, "Nah, I don't like it.", and so we got the Duke we have now in DNF.[/QUOTE]
What was Yahtzee's idea of Duke? Didn't even know he was involved at all
[QUOTE=doommarine23;50948969]What was Yahtzee's idea of Duke? Didn't even know he was involved at all[/QUOTE]
He was hired way back when during early versions to write the script for the entire game.
Little to none of his ideas ended up getting used, even though everyone on the team loved the script.
Essentially, he wrote Duke as being slightly older, after he had fallen out of fame.
He's still egotistical as fuck, and rides on his high horse, but nobody really knows about him or respects him anymore. When the aliens come back, he kind of sees it as his opportunity to get into the spotlight again and be just as famous as before. He's really out of touch and doesn't know what's cool anymore either. There's a lot more specifics that I'm forgetting right now, as it's been a long time since I've heard this, but I'm pretty sure he talks about it in one of his Duke videos.
I had no idea he even worked there.
Me neither.
I think you can do now what duke did in the past but you can't really do it as duke
sometimes you gotta duke without duke, pass the torch
It got canned because that "one guy" was Broussard, the man that has most of Forever's troubled development squarely placed on his shoulders in blame.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;50947676]Meanwhile that BUILD Engine Bombshell tie-in faded into obscurity after Bombshell bombed.[/QUOTE]
Wait that already came out? Last I heard of it was when it was announced.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;50948905]Like frankly I'd fucking love a Duke game where he is just a little older, a little more worn out, starting the game in a small apartment full of his duke shit.
His guns, some military equipment, porn mags and shit, have Duke say lots of cheeky sarcastic shit as he always did, maybe with a biting edge of anger and worn-out sarcasm.
When shit gets serious he just gets pissed the fuck off. Basically the kind of guy who is a smart-ass until shit really hits the fan.[/QUOTE]
This is really one of the only ways modern Duke could work. Combine this with Yahtzee's ideas for DNF and you'd have a solid, story-driven game about Duke struggling to fit into the 21st century.
[editline]26th August 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RikohZX;50949524]It got canned because that "one guy" was Broussard, the man that has most of Forever's troubled development squarely placed on his shoulders in blame.[/QUOTE]
If it wasn't for George Broussard, the game would have come out at least 10 years earlier.
[QUOTE=cdr248;50948631]duke is too much of a product of his time
the modern equivalent would just be chris evans looking hot and being really sweet while shooting shit[/QUOTE]
I would enjoy another Duke like he acted in 3D but unfortunately there's not really any one-liner spewing action heros on the big screen anymore, so his lines have to come from elsewhere.
I sort of want these one-liner spewing action heros back though. They were and still are great in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;50949727]I would enjoy another Duke like he acted in 3D but unfortunately there's not really any one-liner spewing action heros on the big screen anymore, so his lines have to come from elsewhere.
I sort of want these one-liner spewing action heros back though. They were and still are great in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
The closest thing we have to the action heroes of old is The Rock, and he's basically box-office gold.
Plus, Marvel built a massive cinematic universe on nothing but sarcastic quips. One-liners are more in than ever.
[QUOTE=The Civ;50949008]He was hired way back when during early versions to write the script for the entire game.
Little to none of his ideas ended up getting used, even though everyone on the team loved the script.
Essentially, he wrote Duke as being slightly older, after he had fallen out of fame.
He's still egotistical as fuck, and rides on his high horse, but nobody really knows about him or respects him anymore. When the aliens come back, he kind of sees it as his opportunity to get into the spotlight again and be just as famous as before. He's really out of touch and doesn't know what's cool anymore either. There's a lot more specifics that I'm forgetting right now, as it's been a long time since I've heard this, but I'm pretty sure he talks about it in one of his Duke videos.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tuskin;50949123]I had no idea he even worked there.[/QUOTE]
Where the hell did you find out about this? I'd love to see the first-hand accounts. I've never heard of Yahtzee actually doing writing for games (outside of his own of course)
[QUOTE=Destroyox;50949932]Where the hell did you find out about this? I'd love to see the first-hand accounts. I've never heard of Yahtzee actually doing writing for games (outside of his own of course)[/QUOTE]
It's a story he's talked about (and people have reported about) before. 3D Realms actually asked Yahtzee personally to pen up a script idea that turned into being a sort of satirical yet critical outlook over Duke's character and relevance. But when Broussard shut down that idea, he told Yahtzee he could rewrite his script - so long as Duke was as much of a badass still as Broussard thought he should be. Yahtzee refused, basically saying that it didn't make any sense to do it like that. Naturally, when Gearbox got the game's rights and published it, Duke's characterization by Broussard's idea was one of the biggest targets for criticism outside of the gameplay itself.
[url=http://imgur.com/a/ajDID]First leaked images of Duke Nukem 3D: 20th Anniversary World Tour[/url]
Supposedly the new content is being handled by Nerve Software, who handled Doom 2: No Rest For The Living. If that's true, then at least the maps will be in good hands.
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