League of Legends v35 - Gangplank appreciation thread - Games

Most of the items you build on karma give a lot of mana, I personally don't like building athenes on karma either. The heal feels so useless. Its not a trash item its just very niche though.

[QUOTE=Moofy;51850792]Did you even look at my matches/read my post? There is [B]indeed[/B] an argument for not going Sightstone, if I feel confident not going that item and winning because we're dancing in their base then I sure as hell don't need it. I am not running exhaust either? Athene's is far from trash, especially on Karma since you're so poke heavy. Liandry's does nothing for the shield build? Well neither does Sightstone right, read what I said: I could go more damage oriented those games because of the lead and the state of the game. On top of that, I even build it as a last resort item. Censer w/ Redemption stacks AFAIK so they're great to run together especially on a champ like Karma who presses R -> E and your team becomes a wall. [editline]20th February 2017[/editline] God damn no auto-merge.[/QUOTE] Yeah I did, but apparently you didn't bother to think about anything I said. Athene's is trash. The heal is garbage, the AP is garbage, the MR is garbage, and if you run out of mana that much you're either not backing enough or spamming too much. CDR is very easy to get on support items and shouldn't even be a consideration. There not an argument for not going Sightstone. If it was 'a total stompfest,' you wouldn't have 4 items as a support. You would probably barely have 2. I've been in those games and I [i]still[/i] get Sightstone, because [b]properly controlling vision lets you snowball harder and safer[/b]. If you're at 4 items with 8 deaths as Karma support, you aren't stomping you're just ahead. Exhaust is way better than ignite right now, it's a broken summoner. But it's whatever, plenty of people still run ignite. CDR boots is just better than Sorcerer's for support Karma. It works sure, but that isn't the reason you take Karma. [b]If you want to be a damage threat, play a damage champion[/b]. Building damage and utility just makes both weaker, and you pick Karma for her strong laning - from her bases - and utility. CDR boots are cheaper, which is a lot more important than you probably think. Early, efficient powerspikes are very important for supports. Censer is a weak item. You need 2+ auto-based champions to make it worth picking up. [b]The +shield/heal power alone is not worth buying the item for[/b]. That same money could be put into a Locket to provide a bigger shield than it would ever add to your bases for, plus the defensive stats which you seriously need in that build. The heal/shield power passives stack because they're not unique, but there's literally no reason to buy an item just because it has that passive on it. It's a waste of money and item space. Don't just think about what an item does for you, think about what other items can do with the same money and item space. Locket is better than Censer as a 2nd/3rd item after Sightstone combine/Redemption. Mikael's is better than Athene's by a mile. Liandry's is just not good if you aren't a damage oriented support. You aren't a threat. Having 30 pen and ~100 AP at 5 items isn't scary. If you want AP just get Deathcap. If you want to play a damage support, [b]play a damage support[/b]. Don't try and do both, because you lower the strength of both sides.

Bard is so damn annoying when the guy playing him knows how to use he's freeze/stop. Every time I went for a kill with my ult as Jhin he uses and pretty much saves he's entire team from me and waste my ult.

On the other end of the stick this time :conspiratard: [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/2Nusx19.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=keda009;51848892]level 18[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Gold 5's[/QUOTE] literally no difference

Actually level 18s are more open to admitting their mistakes and learning from them when gold 5s will brag that they're not silver anymore and tell you you're shit

someone's elo is always a excuse to be ignorant and not listen to feedback isn't it?

[QUOTE=SoftHearted;51855500]someone's elo is always a excuse to be ignorant and not listen to feedback isn't it?[/QUOTE] pfft, ofc a sliver woud say that Xd fuckig noobsss

[QUOTE=SoftHearted;51855500]someone's elo is always a excuse to be ignorant and not listen to feedback isn't it?[/QUOTE] It sounds harsh but if you are underneath gold 5 you are you are fundamentally playing the game incorrectly, and are most likely not applying the things you have 'learned' through listening to other players suggestions on getting better. Elo hell is not as bad in this game where you can solo level up, get gold to buy power altering items, use skill to outplay others effectively and repeatedly, etc.., In games like Heroes of the Storm, it's a lot harder to come back from a disadvantage, and the power level gap is not intuitive for a solo carry (in that game your entire team levels up at the same time, and there are no items). Simply getting good at your mechanics will allow you to exceed past gold, and fast too. Play a strong solo hero that doesn't get banned, learn that hero decently, get good at the micro aspect; then once that is comfortable and you feel like you can handle many different scenarios such as 1v2's, 1v3's, you can start to focus on your macro play (rotating on the map, getting objectives). When you lose in gold (i might even consider low plat) and under, it's literally entirely your fault. That's how you should look at it. Even feeders on your team and trolls can be pushed to the side for your win at that level. Put the team on your back, you can do it.

What I'm saying is people make mistakes. Like that one Ashe that got posted here that built frozen Mallet while claiming she was Diamond 2. Is not even a matter of being gold or not. Is a matter of acknowledging your mistakes and not blame your team for all the things that go wrong just because you are ranked higher than them. On a unrelated note it's Poll time! Which skin should I buy? Agree for Erron Black Jhin skin. Disagree for Blood Moon Jhin.

Whats a Erron Black Jhin skin lol In any case Blood Moon

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51855730]It sounds harsh but if you are underneath gold 5 you are you are fundamentally playing the game incorrectly, and are most likely not applying the things you have 'learned' through listening to other players suggestions on getting better. Elo hell is not as bad in this game where you can solo level up, get gold to buy power altering items, use skill to outplay others effectively and repeatedly, etc.., In games like Heroes of the Storm, it's a lot harder to come back from a disadvantage, and the power level gap is not intuitive for a solo carry (in that game your entire team levels up at the same time, and there are no items). Simply getting good at your mechanics will allow you to exceed past gold, and fast too. Play a strong solo hero that doesn't get banned, learn that hero decently, get good at the micro aspect; then once that is comfortable and you feel like you can handle many different scenarios such as 1v2's, 1v3's, you can start to focus on your macro play (rotating on the map, getting objectives). When you lose in gold (i might even consider low plat) and under, it's literally entirely your fault. That's how you should look at it. Even feeders on your team and trolls can be pushed to the side for your win at that level. Put the team on your back, you can do it.[/QUOTE] No man you're wrong, anyone under Diamond 1 is playing the game fundamentally incorrectly and should quit.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;51855955]You guys ready to see Zyra in every match?[/QUOTE] already do, but at least the zyra's will have a nice and pretty skin to look at

[QUOTE=keda009;51855913]Whats a Erron Black Jhin skin lol[/QUOTE] I take you never played MKX?

[QUOTE=1chains1;51855979]No man you're wrong, anyone under Diamond 1 is playing the game fundamentally incorrectly and should quit.[/QUOTE] I was going to say that, but that would sound too harsh to people. You just want to get the message across, not discourage people because you think you're the best.

[QUOTE=1chains1;51855979]No man you're wrong, anyone under Diamond 1 is playing the game fundamentally incorrectly and should quit.[/QUOTE] diamonds are trash

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51855730]It sounds harsh but if you are underneath gold 5 you are you are fundamentally playing the game incorrectly, and are most likely not applying the things you have 'learned' through listening to other players suggestions on getting better. Elo hell is not as bad in this game where you can solo level up, get gold to buy power altering items, use skill to outplay others effectively and repeatedly, etc.., In games like Heroes of the Storm, it's a lot harder to come back from a disadvantage, and the power level gap is not intuitive for a solo carry (in that game your entire team levels up at the same time, and there are no items). Simply getting good at your mechanics will allow you to exceed past gold, and fast too. Play a strong solo hero that doesn't get banned, learn that hero decently, get good at the micro aspect; then once that is comfortable and you feel like you can handle many different scenarios such as 1v2's, 1v3's, you can start to focus on your macro play (rotating on the map, getting objectives). When you lose in gold (i might even consider low plat) and under, it's literally entirely your fault. That's how you should look at it. Even feeders on your team and trolls can be pushed to the side for your win at that level. Put the team on your back, you can do it.[/QUOTE] What role would you consider good for this?

its more champs than role i think a lot of the time

[QUOTE=KillRay;51856758]its more champs than role i think a lot of the time[/QUOTE] just played a game where my fizz kept refusing to actually teamfight and we ended up losing because I can't go 1v5 as jhin god send help

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;51855955]You guys ready to see Zyra in every match? [img]https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C17zrA87jwg/WKyAshARnAI/AAAAAAAAePw/2_ViLEvIVyAxIEPD_snoLkX5HAdlmhkQwCLcB/s1600/C450CQMUYAAXQEV.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] With a booty like hers? Always!

[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;51856721]What role would you consider good for this?[/QUOTE] Yeah it's mostly champions. Think characters like Jarvan, Diana, Wukong, Swain etc..., heavy self-sustenance damage oriented; seldom banned bruisers. These champions can handle 1v2's and can also swing teamfights singlehandedly. All of these champions have full damage builds, along with heavy tank builds. You can be extremely versatile while also specializing in one specific thing. You can essentially play any lane/jungle with these champions (maybe not swain). I would mention champions like Vi, Hecarim, Jayce or all the ones you already see constantly; but those are banned too much. Since your goal right now is just learning your mechanics, it would be wise to pick something that you will most likely get 99% of your games. The ones I mentioned are never really restricted by the meta (maybe except Swain again) and are always good picks into any comp (which doesn't even matter at low elo).

do you think with the ghost blade's lethality reduced to 15 will other lethality items be viable first buys, or is the movement speed active and cooldown reduction a deal sealer?

[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;51858450]do you think with the ghost blade's lethality reduced to 15 will other lethality items be viable first buys, or is the movement speed active and cooldown reduction a deal sealer?[/QUOTE] It'll mostly be Ghostblade still. Some junglers might go for Edge of Night first, but the CDR and MS active are pretty valuable.

Because I am pathetic I gifted 2x 975 mystery skins (had higher chances). I got 2x Kyle skins... I had Judgement Kyle already... So I ragepurchased 2x more of those. I feel so pathetic now.

Saw a stream highlight of faker goin 3/9 or something as ekko once. The god himself plays as well as the ekkos I get in my games. It wasn't that he was playing bad or anything either, it looked like he got camped a bit and didn't have any damage due to being behind. My ekkos just try to constantly 1v1 from behind.

I do that depending on the Champ and you'll see a lot of streamers do it too Sometimes you just have to take the risk of turning the match up as opposed to just losing more, just slowly as the enemy controls waves and accepting it [editline]22nd February 2017[/editline] Dyrus was 0/3 on Jayce a few days ago and barely won a 1v1 vs what I think was a yorick. It flipped the lane and let him get equal again. Depending on your champ/lineup you can't just sit around and hope it gets better.

just had a game where 7 people had youmuus what a beautiful meta we live in

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;51858516]It'll mostly be Ghostblade still. Some junglers might go for Edge of Night first, but the CDR and MS active are pretty valuable.[/QUOTE] Watching Scarra go over the patch notes, he says that you'll probably look to go Edge of Night if you can benefit from it in your matchup. Melee assassins vs mages, for example. He also says Edge of Night is still broken, and I agree.

Edge of the Night is so fucking good. And is not even all that expensive too.

[QUOTE=SoftHearted;51861651]Edge of the Night is so fucking good. And is not even all that expensive too.[/QUOTE] Shame it's gonna get nerfed though. The shield lasts for way too long.