• Dota 2 General Chat XXXII - 6.88 will make the ancient summon robot miners and TPs will be free
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yeah but I cant climb out of 3k with just jumping people with my clone. I have to actually use my brain and get good In all seriousness though I enjoyed being able to just spam this hero and get mmr. I know it's a cheap way but I wanted to keep it up at least until the end of september, when the big patch (probably) drops
Tempest Double giving EXP and gold is fucking dumb as all hell, it's an illusion which casts spells, not a unit..
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[QUOTE=Bordellimies;50993574]Tempest Double giving EXP and gold is fucking dumb as all hell, it's an illusion which casts spells, not a unit..[/QUOTE] why do you think it's an illusion? it can use spells and items, it's visually different to the main arc warden, and it isn't instantly killed by hex/mana drain/etc
[QUOTE=Quq;50993723]why do you think it's an illusion? it can use spells and items, it's visually different to the main arc warden, and it isn't instantly killed by hex/mana drain/etc[/QUOTE] My bad, apparently it isn't an illusion. Morphling can also use spells when he casts Hybrid, and that is considered to be an illusion, and TB's illusions also are visibly different.
[QUOTE=Davoc;50993432]yeah but I cant climb out of 3k with just jumping people with my clone. I have to actually use my brain and get good In all seriousness though I enjoyed being able to just spam this hero and get mmr. I know it's a cheap way but I wanted to keep it up at least until the end of september, when the big patch (probably) drops[/QUOTE] Why do this though? Your just going to get sent right back down when your crutch gets ripped out from under you, and you'll be miserable because you are losing the majority of games.
Arc Warden deserved this.
[QUOTE=Clovis;50994023]wonder if the hero is going to be dead for years outside lowskill pubs' also are they gonna make prophet great again? he's been arguably one of the shittest heroes, if not the shittest in dota for a long time now[/QUOTE] Nature's Prophet isn't shitty, are you 4k or under?
Furion feeds too much gold and while being a global presence is always nice he contributes no more than right clicks and sprout into bodyblocking with treants which hardly counts as a disable since you have to remove your own sprout before they cut through it. It's very easy to overdo the buffs on a global hero though, he'll either get picked every game or no game. I'd like to see some changes to Visage and Dirge, the familiar and tombstone nerfs just killed them.
I have to wonder why the policy for rarer styles/textures for items is paint it edgy blood red, in most cases it doesn't even match the character's color palette. :v:
[QUOTE=Clovis;50994210]hes shit argue your point[/QUOTE] You made the claim initially, it's up to you to provide reasoning, not ask me for it when you haven't provided any to begin with.
[QUOTE=Clovis;50994023]wonder if the hero is going to be dead for years outside lowskill pubs' also are they gonna make prophet great again? he's been arguably one of the shittest heroes, if not the shittest in dota for a long time now[/QUOTE] Arc is still strong though? if you aren't brain dead then you wont feed his tempest double, and then its like he was never patched. The slow change is fine because he really doesnt attempt to kill until he gets 6 anyway, and by then the slow is high enough level to make the patch moot [editline]3rd September 2016[/editline] It was a bit inconvenient though cause I was in the middle of a streak of arc games, and then mid game they patched it.
Just like promised last time: [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1516478&p=50984575&viewfull=1#post50984575[/url] I have released the 1.5 version of Dota Classic, the Dota 2 remake of the original Dota. There are some bugfixes, some spells are more aligned with the original and it's possible to attack allies at any point, just like in the WC3 version. That's it. Game is pretty much done. If people will find some bugs or there will be a game breaking change in the Dota 2 client, I will fix it, but the main work is finished now. [B]Horraaay![/B] Now that it is done, why have I done this? The heroes in classic were a lot more specialized and had a lot in common with the medic/engineer/heavy/soldier classes found in games like Team Fortress. For example: Each side had a hero which could heal and teleport (Celeste and Nilirai - today's Lina and Furion). These were absolutely crucial, because they served as medics on the map, couriers (it was possible to send gold to other players and share items, yet there were no animal couriers) and were able to deal area damage. This was important because of the many summons the map had and the medics were their counters. The summoners in turn worked a lot like engineers - their primary focus was about about moving their summoned units in the best possible position - correct skeleton positioning (blocking enemy heroes etc.) was extremely important for the Wraithlord (today's lich). There was also a dedicated tower-sieger class: Old Earthshaker, Sidereal Engine. One of the main reasons I started with the map was because I was really fed up with modern dota clones at some point and wanted to recreate the feeling the originals gave (Dota Classic, Tides of Blood). Those were far more team based: The gold pooling, the enforced team work through the healer/summoner classes, no mega-heroes due less powerful items etc. Some of the things about Tides of Blood here: [url]https://lanepushinggames.com/2014/12/18/review-tides-of-blood-part-2/[/url] Apply to Dota Classic as well. To recreate that team-feeling was one of the main reasons I did the map. Workshop link: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725837387[/url] Search on the in-game Dota 2 arcade for "Dota Classic" to play it.
[QUOTE=Clovis;50994383]my point is a lack of his usefulness. feel free to call bias, but his q is basically a vision tool. its literally a vision tool, or a tool that lets you make trees in the roshan pit. thats it. you cant trap anyone with it cause all you need is a tango or an iron talon/quelling blade which supports can just buy to save themselves infinitely EVEN WHEN ORCHIDED, or to deward, then later can easily buy force staffs nobody should ever die to his q. if i see it in a pro game, i lose all respect for the player who does. ive seen it on lategame chaos knights. what, they couldnt just keep a quelling blade handy cause they had to hold onto a bracer or some shit? if youre farmed enough to wrory about a slot involving a quelling blade, im pretty sure a sprout is the least of your problems teleport: a good spell yes, but its only as useful as you are. which means if your early game team doesnt allow for ganks involving a natures prophet tping in to use one of his three other spells that do nothing, basically your only hope of ganking anyone is if the enemy over committed or something. apart from punishing situations like that, its not as amazing before youre farmed, because as said your other spells dont do much. trees, you can use trees to attempt to bodyblock in early ganks which is your only way of using it to kill anyone. otherwise you can attempt to push towers slower than anyone else in the game with them, while risking feeding a good amount of gold and dont forget his stupid fucking ultimate, that just takes all of his teams farm and pushes lanes out so theyre safe for the enemy to farm in the mid game this hero really is not impressive, not one of his spells makes up for his lack of usefulness in my opinion, which was the case a while ago when early game fighting was a bit easier for prophet[/QUOTE] You're completely undervaluing all of his abilities and you didn't even acknowledge his ability to be one of the best split pushers in the game so it's obvious that you are biased, most likely because you can't play him well.
[QUOTE=Clovis;50994383]my point is a lack of his usefulness. feel free to call bias, but his q is basically a vision tool. its literally a vision tool, or a tool that lets you make trees in the roshan pit. thats it. you cant trap anyone with it cause all you need is a tango or an iron talon/quelling blade which supports can just buy to save themselves infinitely EVEN WHEN ORCHIDED, or to deward, then later can easily buy force staffs nobody should ever die to his q. if i see it in a pro game, i lose all respect for the player who does. ive seen it on lategame chaos knights. what, they couldnt just keep a quelling blade handy cause they had to hold onto a bracer or some shit? if youre farmed enough to wrory about a slot involving a quelling blade, im pretty sure a sprout is the least of your problems teleport: a good spell yes, but its only as useful as you are. which means if your early game team doesnt allow for ganks involving a natures prophet tping in to use one of his three other spells that do nothing, basically your only hope of ganking anyone is if the enemy over committed or something. apart from punishing situations like that, its not as amazing before youre farmed, because as said your other spells dont do much. trees, you can use trees to attempt to bodyblock in early ganks which is your only way of using it to kill anyone. otherwise you can attempt to push towers slower than anyone else in the game with them, while risking feeding a good amount of gold and dont forget his stupid fucking ultimate, that just takes all of his teams farm and pushes lanes out so theyre safe for the enemy to farm in the mid game this hero really is not impressive, not one of his spells makes up for his lack of usefulness in my opinion, which was the case a while ago when early game fighting was a bit easier for prophet[/QUOTE] all of your points are "this skill is bad because it can be countered or used wrong" like what? that applies to literally every hero
[QUOTE=ghghop;50994452]if you aren't brain dead then you wont feed his tempest double[/QUOTE] what
[QUOTE=Weirdo009;50994508] most likely because you can't play him well.[/QUOTE] Nice random attack on his performance [editline]3rd September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Quq;50994736]what[/QUOTE] What? If you play him it's assumed you have some semblance of understanding, and it shouldnt be hard to make sure you dont feed the double. I don't get what's confusing about that
that's like saying "if you aren't brain dead then you won't feed familiars", or "if you aren't brain dead you won't feed the spirit bear", or "if you aren't brain dead you won't die as any hero in any game" it's especially ridiculous since the tempest double is time-limited, so it makes sense to treat it as expendable and play aggressively with it
[QUOTE=ghghop;50994806]Nice random attack on his performance[/QUOTE] It wasn't random, I was providing the only reason I can think of for his ignorance about the hero. The post also said "You sound like a 3-4k player that thinks he's 6k" until I edited it out. He has a "know it all" type attitude about the hero when he's actually pretty wrong.
[QUOTE=Clovis;50994973]so your first argument was saying "lol youre under 5k", your second argument is "lol you're bad" fuck off[/QUOTE] No, I said you act like a 6k player when you obviously aren't and the other thing I said was that you must play the hero incorrectly or sub par if you think he's not good.
you keep saying hes wrong, ignorant, and pompous but you still havent actually argued the point yet shit or get off the pot
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;50995284]you keep saying hes wrong, ignorant, and pompous but you still havent actually argued the point yet shit or get off the pot[/QUOTE] I already said something about split pushing which he totally disregarded and said "fuck off" instead. I don't think he's going to reply to anything I say because he took it personally when I said he must lack experience on the hero if he thinks Nature's Prophet is one of the worst heroes in the game.
You kinda started with the "are you under 4K" comment There is no point in saying that unless you aim to insult someone, and I don't understand how 4K is even an insult when +50% of the players are like below 3.5K
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;50995319]You kinda started with the "are you under 4K" comment[/QUOTE] It was a genuine question, if he was then I would understand why he has the opinions he has about Nature's Prophet.
I'm 4K, does that mean my opinions about heroes don't matter because I'm not good enough? Your attitude is fucking elitist as hell, mate.
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;50995335]I'm 4K, does that mean my opinions about heroes don't matter because I'm not good enough? Your attitude is fucking elitist as hell, mate.[/QUOTE]Not entirely sure why you're getting upset over a comment that wasn't directed at you, and like I said it was a genuine question to understand the reasoning behind his opinion better.
If you say someone's opinion doesn't matter because they have a higher rank than most of the players in the entire game (but it isn't high enough?), you kinda insult everyone who isn't at the magical 6K rank or where-ever you're at. And you still haven't bothered to try refute his points, you keep bringing up personal things instead of saying why NP isn't weak. Seems like you just are avoiding a proper argument and plan to win by taking below the belt shots at someone personally.
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;50995357]If you say someone's opinion doesn't matter because they have a higher rank than most of the players in the entire game (but it isn't high enough?), you kinda insult everyone who isn't at the magical 6K rank or where-ever you're at. And you still haven't bothered to try refute his points, you keep bringing up personal things instead of saying why NP isn't weak. Seems like you just are avoiding a proper argument and plan to win by taking below the belt shots at someone personally.[/QUOTE] I didn't say his opinion didn't matter, I simply asked because it would put his opinion into perspective and it would be easier to understand his reasoning for his opinions, you don't need to put words in my mouth. Read the conversation again, I provided 1 counter point to which he ignored and said "fuck off" instead. I don't see a reason to mention any more considering he probably won't reply to them and also that he's banned and unable to reply to them. Also, asking someones MMR isn't a "below the belt shot", I was genuinely curious about his MMR.
[QUOTE=Weirdo009;50995375]Also, asking someones MMR isn't a "below the belt shot", I was genuinely curious about his MMR.[/QUOTE] True, it's not bad to ask someone's MMR [QUOTE=Weirdo009;50994888]It wasn't random, I was providing the only reason I can think of for his ignorance about the hero. [B]The post also said "You sound like a 3-4k player that thinks he's 6k" until I edited it out.[/B] He has a "know it all" type attitude about the hero when he's actually pretty wrong.[/QUOTE] That is a direct insult though, one that brings nothing useful to the table.
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;50995384]True, it's not bad to ask someone's MMR That is a direct insult though, one that brings nothing useful to the table.[/QUOTE] Yes, and I hope you understand that I said I edited it out of my post before anyone replied to it. However his attitude towards the game is that of superiority when he doesn't really know what he's talking about. He thinks Sprout and Nature's Call are worthless abilities, Sprout is a great ability, it's a 6 second pseudo disable at max level most of the time except for heroes that have blink abilities (Blink Dagger won't save you if the Nature's Prophet player knows to keep your Blink Dagger on cooldown) and honestly a Quelling Blade or a Tango isn't going to save a support from getting ganked unless the Nature's Prophet is alone and you have a Ghost Scepter and/or Force Staff. Treants are a lot more than just walking into lane and feeding gold to enemy heroes like he thinks they are, you can get vision with them, deny runes with them, block camps with them, jungle with them while you're doing something else, split push, cut creep waves, body block with them, etc. His opinion is just linear and he thinks there's only one way to use the abilities which is completely untrue.
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