Dota 2 General Chat XXXII - 6.88 will make the ancient summon robot miners and TPs will be free

[MaxisOp]

[QUOTE=zipziggy;50357799]actually no im asking why BH is considered first ban material based on this art ES i can understand becuase he was in pretty much every other match at epicenter, but i was under the assumption that BH is an all in pick that if the hero and the enemy team dosnt get enough done with ganks in the early game then the effectiveness of the hero falls off[/QUOTE]

BH is first ban because early lane pressure is pressuring, and he's the thing of doing that and has maintained that for 3 patchnotes.

Teams are highly valuing map control and vision, and invis heroes are great for that purpose.
BH track pulls it off very effectively in that regard.

[editline] alwdp [/editline]
rip merge

[Noobaxe]

[QUOTE=Political Gamer;50356853]

oh and you don't need to be in the queue to play, just click on the X next to the Timbersaw and you'll still have access to the mini-game without worry of the real game showing up[/QUOTE]

Okay i'm totally lost, where the hell is the timbersaw

[editline]20th May 2016[/editline]

Nevermind, i found it

[Rarara]

[QUOTE=zipziggy;50357016]

Why is BH first ban material?[/QUOTE]

Inflation of gold markets, works just as well when you're ahead as when you're behind.

Shuriken bounce is still strong as ever, not to mention the initial nuke damage and the fact it ministuns.

Invisibility is pretty good for a roaming support, deals decent damage when bullying people, doesn't let everyone know what you're up to.

Courier shenanigans.

Has a slow too.

[Banned?]

Can also build pretty much anything and be fine with it.

[aydin690]

[QUOTE=Davoc;50357632]pike is severely overrated, even if it was good I don't think it would ever replace blink on TA[/QUOTE]

Waga has been building nothing but deso into pike ever since it was introduced.

[Enternode]

[url]https://yasp.co/matches/2377231945[/url]

Holy hell what a game

Shadow Fiend fed the fuck out of Slark early game because he wouldn't back the fuck off

He also wouldn't gank as mid so Me and Void were having one HELL of a time

Me, Zeus, and Slark were the only relevant ones early in the game; all up to us to hold out until Void or Zeus got megafarmed...

It never happened.

We lost.

[SgtWoodsy]

Well, I ended up trying out Pike TA. It was a bit disappointing.

[Petachepas]

Half of my fucking matches end up bugging at the hero selection, and when I connect back it is save to leave. Well, sometimes it is just me. Any way to fix this?

[jp_rsardeto]

Pike is a silly item

[Quq]

[QUOTE=TeamEnternode;50361595]Shadow Fiend fed the fuck out of Slark early game because he wouldn't back the fuck off

He also wouldn't gank as mid so Me and Void were having one HELL of a time
[/QUOTE]
P R O T I P: you should be ganking mid for your SF, not the other way round

[fog]

sf has like 1 ganking rune until level 9 and its haste, but even now that it doesnt last that long he prob wont come unless theres already a big opening in the lane near the spawn

just come to his lane and stun and its usually a kill w/ raze

[Enternode]

What hero do you think he had that had a stun

That and he missed his razes like a motherfucker

As much as I would have liked to gank Void needed the attention more purely because he wasn't batshit retarded

SF didn't say a goddamn thing all game and the only thing he did of significance was buy BoTs and push other lanes...

...too bad he didn't keep doing it...

[Quq]

all I'm saying is that if you think SF should be ganking sidelanes, you really don't understand how that hero works

[jp_rsardeto]

[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;50364270]pike is only good if you were going to buy force staff and lance anyway, then its just spare change to get a free slot[/QUOTE]

it's a ok item if you have force staff, have some spare and already have other good items

dragon lance is a gimmick, specially on heroes who usually build force staff

[unlimi_Ted]

more bizarre mashups of items pls icefrog

eul's scepter + force staff lets you throw them (or yourself) after the cyclone like Rubick's telekinesis
guardian greaves combines with vlads to free up yet another slot
maelstrom + dagon for a castable chain lightning

[editline]21st May 2016[/editline]

[sp]these are not serious[/sp]

[unlimi_Ted]

would the charges of the urn be carried over in any way though?

[Sharc]

Reworked Forceboots would be nice mixing Phase & Force Staff. Gives the initial force push and movespeed bonus upon activation and could be used on allies for the same effect, maybe a pulled backwards for the same distance and slowed by the same percentage as the phase bonus temporarily? Though I imagine a mix of Atos would probably be needed for that.

[Enternode]

[QUOTE=unlimi_Ted;50365142]would the charges of the urn be carried over in any way though?[/QUOTE]

50%

[unlimi_Ted]

[QUOTE=Sharc;50365180]Reworked Forceboots would be nice mixing Phase & Force Staff. Gives the initial force push and movespeed bonus upon activation and could be used on allies for the same effect, maybe a pulled backwards for the same distance and slowed by the same percentage as the phase bonus temporarily? Though I imagine a mix of Atos would probably be needed for that.[/QUOTE]

bring back reworked force boots and slippers of halcyon so all boots can have upgrades

[editline]21st May 2016[/editline]

they'd probably only be the same items in name though like crimson guard was when it was introduced

[fog]

[QUOTE=Clovis;50364897]how about a mixmatch of [sp]urn[/sp] and [sp]atos[/sp] where using it on an enemy [sp]slows and deals a decent dot[/sp] but using it on an ally [sp]increases their ms and hp regen temporarily[/sp][/QUOTE]

since urn has charges but atos doesnt itd be weird

maybe just an urn upgrade where u get a new recipe, like diffusal where each level adds some shit

[editline]21st May 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Sharc;50365180]Reworked Forceboots would be nice mixing Phase & Force Staff. Gives the initial force push and movespeed bonus upon activation and could be used on allies for the same effect, maybe a pulled backwards for the same distance and slowed by the same percentage as the phase bonus temporarily? Though I imagine a mix of Atos would probably be needed for that.[/QUOTE]

forceboots are extremely op
not having to sacrifice a slot on a carry to get a forcestaff > every other boot besides maybe travels

i cant think who would not buy forceboots at that point

[editline]21st May 2016[/editline]

even if it was just like brown boots+force i think everyone would still buy it force staff is great

[unlimi_Ted]

force boots would probably only be able to be used on the owner i'd imagine
also ideally they would build from phase boots like its icon implies rather than treads

[fog]

still would be op
if you could get a forcestaff every game essentially without taking up a slot, you would. its good on every hero

[unlimi_Ted]

yeah maybe force boots arent really a good idea for a phase boots upgrade

guardian greaves made sence because mek and arcanes were bought together so often by so many heroes
what item is very commonly bought on heroes that get phase boots?

[fog]

it would have to be something super mediocre to not be op since boots are already so efficient that making them not take a slot anymore (essentially) would be pretty disgusting. the reason guardian greaves was made is because supports have the least slots of any role

[unlimi_Ted]

TPs also take a slot which is why BoTs are so amazing so assuming the phase boots upgrade was expensive enough the user would have to be weighing upgrading their phases vs just selling them to buy travels once the later stage of the game comes around

[2pac2furious]

[QUOTE=unlimi_Ted;50365398]TPs also take a slot which is why BoTs are so amazing so assuming the phase boots upgrade was expensive enough the user would have to be weighing upgrading their phases vs just selling them to buy travels once the later stage of the game comes around[/QUOTE]

travels will always be better

[unlimi_Ted]

[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;50365440]travels will always be better[/QUOTE]

exactly so this would be a situational mid game item, in theory

[BananaMed]

I am considering going back into doto.

What's the current meta? I stopped playing before the previous big update hit.

[Goodwell]

In the same boat, actually, last played game was around october and whatnot, not sure what's even going on.

And what's with the new compendium/pass thing, is it worth the price?

[unlimi_Ted]

[QUOTE=Clovis;50365634]I think that would make it a bit too weak, cause if you didnt get kills for it the item would be useless. Plus if you added a charge system and say you can do the atos slow without a charge, but only a charge would heal, then you'd have to suss out whether or not you want to consume a "Heal" charge with the slow/speed increase. i think it'd just be WAY easier overall to have no charge system at all, or if there is one, use the charges for ally heal/buffs but let you use the item offensively without a charge. I guess it totally depends on how the item is balanced out

[/QUOTE]

just doing away with the charges would probably be best, but if it wanted to keep the reward for participating in kills, perhaps it could have a bloodstone-style charge system, with the heal/damage over time increasing with charges you gain but you lose charges on death