Dota 2 General Chat XXXII - 6.88 will make the ancient summon robot miners and TPs will be free

[unlimi_Ted]

[QUOTE=Clovis;50638370]nothing is comparable to manta medusa[/QUOTE]

"IGNORE THE CLEAVE!!!!"

[fog]

[QUOTE=Clovis;50643329]with all do respect this is all the wrong idea. are you still buying bloodstone? shit gives you like flat 10 mana regen once complete[/QUOTE]

mana regen is not as good as raw stat items. medusa loves stats. The HP from the bloodstone isnt that important since you have mana shield, so essentially you are paying a ton of money just for mana and mana regen. the problem is that a) the active is not that useful for medusa really, you dont want to die early in a fight and b) shes slot dependant, and you just bought an item with no damage. the lowered respawn value is huge, but you shouldnt even be dying on medusa if you're able to invest that much gold in a tank item by this point. yasha is a great item slot for medusa, but manta is for damage, the reason you get the manta is for tank. i dont understand how these arent comparable ideas and equally bad items

[QUOTE]also did you know that you can actually give yourself more mana then snake? yes snakes do return mana, which is why you use it. bloodstone also gives you like 100 mana every 10 seconds with stock charges, as well as provide the hp/mana/manaregen in the one slot as well. i clearly stated you buy the item if youre doing very well
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the point is if you're getting a ton of mana back from your snakes from heroes, [B]the mana regen isnt that important. [/B] its not a medusa stat outside of some farming early with linkens, getting 10+ mana regen is super overkill.

compare to common bloodstone buyers: storm, timber, lesh
on them, the mana regen means the ability to pump out more spells since they all have mana draining abilities. on medusa, if you hit the bottom of your mana pool, the regen wont save you there, as you'll just keep losing it in a fight. thats why you want a huge pool and less regen, since you already have snake to regen anyway.

i dont see the benefits over skadi, which at least provides damage (added value in attack slow) if you want huge tank stats.

[QUOTE]lus dragon lance loses its niche value for stat perk when you put it on someone who reeaally needs mana. and i dont want to hear i can turn it into a hurricane pike because that item isnt really necessary. not to mention the range extension isnt really required either. its situationally useful at best. you dont jeed to even attempt to outrange towers when you can take 10 tower hits and still be on 95% hp with mana shield and a few items, and ofcpurse the range extension is useless for farming camps anyways so as an early item solution it doesnt do much for it. its also going to hold up a slot until you upgrade it or get rid of it/disassemble anyways. i cant advocate 2k gold for a small range extension when it gives comparably mediocre stats on medusa, and teh range extention isnt necessary 100% of the time, in fact sometimes it actually makes no difference whatsoever if her range is extended, probably would make more of a difference if you had a different item in the slot maybe
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thinking back on it, thats fair. i still think dragon lance is a much better item in a build than vit/point booster + soul ring in a bloodstone build-up. even drums would be a better item for the slot (maybe even more than lance) as it provides MS and Int, both which medusa loves.

[QUOTE]mom is the complete opposite of glass cannon item. you build it on hard to kill heroes to get more out of it. sny mom jugg from its prime only pays off as much as it did because of the invulnerability he has for its duration - and before you defend how mom jugg increases his dp and lets him farm faster and stuff well hey its on medusa now so thats pretty cool right[/QUOTE]

MoM isn't a good item without damage. When you buy damage, it's additive power, but buying attack speed is multiplying it. multiplying low damage is not as valuable as buying raw damage. that's why heroes with attack speed steroids stack up on damage. but, heroes with orbs/damage amplifiers (bashes, crits) can stack more AS to get these procs in. That's why a lot attack speed was good on jugg in his prime (synergy with omni + low BAT being great as well), and sniper as well (headshot). not to mention if you're lifestealing low damage numbers, its a pretty worthless stat. a yasha would be a comparable farming increase on medusa, as you at least get some minor damage out of it.

meduas steroid even subtracts damage, making the lifesteal even more worthless if you leveled split shot.

[QUOTE]youre entitled to defend your build, but i just think you have the wrong idea here. im only arguing the point cause im trying to help, and honestly dragon lance is NOT a dps item. you paid 10k gold for 14 agility as far as dps is concerned. you get 200 hp on a hero that could be 400 if you had mana in that item, dragon lance may be the "best item this patch" but that's obviously only a select few heroes, and those heroes all get their squishiness instantly fixed and have inbuilt attack damage (drow, clinkz, ench, tb, etc) , while medusa has neither[/QUOTE]

for 150 less gold you are getting 2 less agi than a yasha, and getting some str and a range increase that while not the most effective on medusa, still is worth something just because it's a good stat to have. it's a decent dps item just like yasha is. i mean this is assuming this is all just a combat build with medusa, which is why i assume you'd even get 3 regen items, because you wouldn't need all of those if you were just fighting. if you just wanted to rice, bottle and aquilla are more than enough.

again, even drums might be better than dlance or soul ring + bloodstone item.

i have no problems with MoMdusa anyway, i like the item on her. I just think the other items aren't as valuable before (specifically soul) and after (bloodstone)

[QUOTE]and to resummarize on the build, aquila + phase/treads -> soul ring + mom is the best build for her because they're all incredibly cost efficient and allow her to do respectable damage, and sustain herself fully, so she can just farm a major item very easily and actually participate in fights. soul ring actually has quite valuable regen when compared to the price of a linkens sphere, but in addition with the bottle you had mid, you shouldnt have any issues. soul ring is good with mask of madness because the damage amp from mom is calculated after mana shield, so as long as you have mana, you're only taking ~10% more damage from the mask of madness active. while you're farming jungle camps, you can leave mana shield on and use soul ring+mom then just snake the camp and right click it to death, and you lifesteal back the hp costof soul ring while maintaining everything else with it. same can be done anywhere, at any time[/QUOTE]

you can participate in fights anyway though with other builds. the fact is that the soul ring and bloodstone are just wasted gold and slots on a hero that needs them.

these are super inefficient and the conventional yasha + drums -> skadi builds are much better, almost always. maybe i could see MoM + drums -> skadi but never bloodstone

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXBRfHnJeKoySg1BpygN64yNARfp0VX_u"]i even made a playlist of 4 different builds, starting with yours and it has the lowest dps of all of them, even the lowest on hit damage[/URL] (added point booster just to show all at even costs, since you said in the build order you don't go any damage after the MoM), not even beating out yasha+drums at max dps. if you want this to be a combat build it's not the most effective and if you want this to be a farming build, it's inefficient, just super cheap because you have a bunch of items you're gonna get rid of quickly anyway.

[B]tl;dk[/B] bloodstone sucks, if you want MoM, get damage and cut out some of the useless items and meaningless stats

[VulpesGrey]

[QUOTE=Yahnich;50644138]actually i think mom and mana shield work additively, meaning with mom you're taking double the damage; similar to how ursa with enrage goes from 80 to 50% damage reduction with mom[/QUOTE]

[img]http://puu.sh/pQcDp/4717b84a46.jpg[/img]

[Sammun]

What the fuck is this garbage?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/gJKNNig.jpg[/t]
Seriously what the fuck is up with this no manta shit on Anti mage lately? I hate these shitty trends so damn much manta has been core on AM for ages, but no, these retards want to be different or original, or are plain mentally challenged

[VulpesGrey]

[vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/urvsxw.webm[/vid]

[jefffi]

[QUOTE=KillRay;50642194]
How do u all complain about manta as a hybrid tank/dps item then advocate for bloodstone

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medusas manta illusions do literally nothing (like 90dps with 5 eblades and 60 with a normal build), you can always see who the real medusa is due to mana shield and you just reduce your eHP when you pop it. i can't see how it's worth it in any way, get a diffusal if you need the purge/dispel

[editline]5th July 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=leonthefox;50645925]What the fuck is this garbage?
[t]http://i.imgur.com/gJKNNig.jpg[/t]
Seriously what the fuck is up with this no manta shit on Anti mage lately? I hate these shitty trends so damn much manta has been core on AM for ages, but no, these retards want to be different or original, or are plain mentally challenged[/QUOTE]

it's supposed to be no battlefury not no manta

idk what that guy was doing

[Sammun]

I really need to start picking carry, I'm so sick of either people picking garbage cores that get dumpstered by slark or doing "i'M SO SPESHUL AND DIFFERENT xd" builds. I know I sound like "waa getting dragged by my team" but these cores are outright disgusting. If you get outfarmed by an offlaner you shouldn't touch the safelane, at all.

[zipziggy]

can anyone post what the current status of the arcana vote is? i dont have a battlepass

but i hear io is beating invoker

[Dragan.Marik]

if io gets an arcana i hope it's not just "here's a glowier glowy ball THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THE COLOR OF OH MY GOD ALL ARCANAS NEED THIS COLOR SYSTEM"

[dannyketch]

Anyone who votes for Io over Wraith King Arcana should be hanged, drawn and quartered then burned to ashes and those ashes fed to fearsome venomous mutant sharks with laser beams on their heads.

[Sammun]

Hoping if void ever gets an arcana, it makes the colors inside of chrono inverted.
[QUOTE=Clovis;50647711]anyone who doesnt vote for qop has to spend a night with qop[/QUOTE]

Can someone post the "zeus vs qop" video which is a ton of screencaps from FP?

[fog]

[QUOTE=JoonazL;50646420]medusas manta illusions do literally nothing (like 90dps with 5 eblades and 60 with a normal build), you can always see who the real medusa is due to mana shield and you just reduce your eHP when you pop it. i can't see how it's worth it in any way, get a diffusal if you need the purge/dispel[/QUOTE]

i didnt say manta was good

[SgtWoodsy]

[QUOTE=dannyketch;50647703]Anyone who votes for Io over Wraith King Arcana should be hanged, drawn and quartered then burned to ashes and those ashes fed to fearsome venomous mutant sharks with laser beams on their heads.[/QUOTE]I agree but the "Wraith King Arcana will be Skeleton King" thing is very, very unlikely.

[Bordey]

IMO when it comes to heroes purely based on their design, Invoker should receive the arcana, or Rubick. Those two have the most potential for cool arcanas.

[Rainy]

[QUOTE=dannyketch;50647703]Anyone who votes for Io over Wraith King Arcana should be hanged, drawn and quartered then burned to ashes and those ashes fed to fearsome venomous mutant sharks with laser beams on their heads.[/QUOTE]

I like both tbh. In saying that, I hope those who do vote for WK aren't doing it for the whole "hurr bring skele back" bullshit. If anything, maybe something skeletal-[I]like[/I], but not full blown old-model skeleton.

[Quq]

[QUOTE=dannyketch;50647703]Anyone who votes for Io over Wraith King Arcana should be hanged, drawn and quartered then burned to ashes and those ashes fed to fearsome venomous mutant sharks with laser beams on their heads.[/QUOTE]

i will vote for Io over Wraith King Arcana because io is a fun hero and wraith king is extremely boring

[Davoc]

[QUOTE=Clovis;50647711]anyone who doesnt vote for qop has to spend a night with qop[/QUOTE]

I'm okay with this

[TheLocoMofo]

[url]http://plays.tv/video/577b6aa32148348148/fatal-bonds-is-a-pretty-good-skill[/url]

Happened in an old game of mine. Fatal bonds is pretty good sometimes.

[ghghop]

[QUOTE=dannyketch;50647703]Anyone who votes for Io over Wraith King Arcana should be hanged, drawn and quartered then burned to ashes and those ashes fed to fearsome venomous mutant sharks with laser beams on their heads.[/QUOTE]

Fuck your croissant beard king, Io deserves it more especially because he has been ignored cosmetically even though he plays such a huge role in the game. WK right clicks and stuns and that's about it.

[Davoc]

Invoker should get the arcana

[unlimi_Ted]

I wish they'd bring back the alternate voice vote

[editline]5th July 2016[/editline]

I want a low grumbly Fred Tatasciore voice for ever single character

[Totenkreuz]

[QUOTE=Bordellimies;50648121]IMO when it comes to heroes purely based on their design, Invoker should receive the arcana, or Rubick. Those two have the most potential for cool arcanas.[/QUOTE]

The fact Invoker hasn't somehow won by now after all these years make me believe in vote rigging. He and Rubick arcana's would take the most work by far.

[Dangledoor]

[QUOTE=leonthefox;50647739]

Can someone post the "zeus vs qop" video which is a ton of screencaps from FP?[/QUOTE]

Here ya go

[video=youtube;E1jxg5XVrGU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1jxg5XVrGU[/video]

[Bordey]

[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;50649814]The fact Invoker hasn't somehow won by now after all these years make me believe in vote rigging. He and Rubick arcana's would take the most work by far.[/QUOTE]

But imagine just how many people would buy an arcana for Invoker, that hero is constantly popular and wannabe pros love playing him. It would take more work, yes, but it'd also bring in a lot more money.

[Jetamo]

[QUOTE=Sandvich9;50649819]Here ya go

[video=youtube;E1jxg5XVrGU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1jxg5XVrGU[/video][/QUOTE]

"Don't vote for that ugly smurf his model won't even be updated because Valve are lazy as shit. They'll give him some golden moustache and call it a day."

[URL="https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/d/d6/Zuus_level_04.mp3"]Oh ye of little faith.[/URL]

[Jericho_Rus]

[QUOTE=leonthefox;50647739]
Can someone post the "zeus vs qop" video which is a ton of screencaps from FP?[/QUOTE]

man i'm still salty about that

speaking of salt fuck timbersaw :^)

[garbage ellie]

its probably just a shitload of people that want anything but invoker/pudge arcanas because of the huge increase in people playing it.

[Bordey]

[QUOTE=Naught;50649990]its probably just a shitload of people that want anything but invoker/pudge arcanas because of the huge increase in people playing it.[/QUOTE]

I hate seeing Invokers but I still want him to win

[Jetamo]

I basically lost all interest in the vote as soon as Rubick lost, to be honest.

Rubick arcana could be bloody *amazing*.

[Jericho_Rus]

[QUOTE=Bordellimies;50650038]I hate seeing Invokers but I still want him to win[/QUOTE]

invoker has a shitton of good cosmetics, including an immortal and a whole new super rare set

same reason why pudge shouldn't get anything but people are going to vote for him regardless because it's a popularity contest