Dota 2 General Chat XXXII - 6.88 will make the ancient summon robot miners and TPs will be free
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The naked with mom situation pls
U got bigger issues if ur naked with your mom
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;50236332]U got bigger issues if ur naked with your mom[/QUOTE]
yeah, but u said
"MoM gives more dps for around 2/5 the price, on top of also increasing your movement speed while active, and thus from both accounts, being a way better farming item and fighting item."
so, let's say no other items except MoM vs. no other items except Manta, which deals more DPS over X minutes?
Which makes pretty much no sense since for MoM you need some other source of damage preferably, like another Hero that has higher base damage and/or main stat gain, or some other damage item.
A damage item, which neither Manta or MoM truly is.
MoM level 1 medusa no other items or levels against level 1 SB no items no levels: Clock at 045 when initiated, clock at 103 when SB killed
Manta level 1 medusa otherwise identical: Clock at 203 when initiated, clock at 212 when killed
So Manta took 9 seconds to kill while MoM took 18
Sounds great for Manta until you realize that's half the time for over 60% of the price
You also have to take into account the fact that illusions can only use raw stats, so there are not many items that can really follow up Manta, while MoM can directly amplify any other damage item in the game.
Medusa level 1 MoM Bfly: Clock at 524 when initiated, clock at 529 when SB dead
Medusa level 1 manta bfly: Clock at 543 when initiated, clock at 551 when SB dead
[QUOTE=Clovis;50236331]batshit stop defending yourself this argument was over before you all started talking medusa manta is shit just buy something else[/QUOTE]
there's certainly a lot of options
at no point did i even say it's some definite core item lol, just that its not "shit" on dusa
can work in a end-game item build just as well tho, not everything is so carved into stone or plays out like in the pro games you people so keenly follow.
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;50236352]MoM level 1 medusa no other items or levels against level 1 SB no items no levels: Clock at 045 when initiated, clock at 103 when SB killed
Manta level 1 medusa otherwise identical: Clock at 203 when initiated, clock at 212 when killed
So Manta took 9 seconds to kill while MoM took 18
Sounds great for Manta until you realize that's half the time for over 60% of the price
You also have to take into account the fact that illusions can only use raw stats, so there are not many items that can really follow up Manta, while MoM can directly amplify any other damage item in the game.
[B]Medusa level 1 MoM Bfly: Clock at 524 when initiated, clock at 529 when SB dead
Medusa level 1 manta bfly: Clock at 543 when initiated, clock at 551 when SB dead[/B][/QUOTE]
So about three second difference here with the Butterfly..? Where dear mom wins.
Shows how nicely MoM competes with a damage item on the side, but it's not that big of a difference when we jump into an actual game with other Heroes throwing their shit around. It doesn't give you the armor from agi, hp from str, mana from int, all of which comes at additional cost of course, if you like to place value in them.
Please learn how to do math before you ever try to talk about stats to me
1.25 x 0.4 = 0.5
additional cost lol
What..?
MoM has no stats on it, only passive lifesteal plus the active.
So, Manta gives you quite a bit more like the stats, passive movement and attk speed and so on. Just not more damage after a certain point as demonstrated, and in certain circumstances.
Sure it can amplify your damage quite a bit, but that's all that it does. And nicely so, competing against an item like twice as expensive (Manta) with an additional damage item to amplify (Bfly); that's how MoM works.
[QUOTE=Yahnich;50236394]if that's supposed to be medusa's damage reduction, it's actually 1.25-0.6 meaning you receive 65% damage instead of 40%[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/oCjJY/61cb04e1e7.jpg[/IMG]
335 x 0.75 = 251.25
251.25 x 0.65 = 163.3125
251.25 x 0.5 = 125.625
Which number is closer
[QUOTE=Clovis;50236813]wow is that a dota 1 video[/QUOTE]
Too bright to be DotA.
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;50237443]did anyone else just get winter treasure drops? any reason why?
<img>[/QUOTE]I just opened dota and didn't get any. However you're not alone according to the reddits [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4ha3jy/anyone_else_just_randomly_get_one_of_each_of_the/[/url]
Could they be treasure drops if you have your battle pass level over 60.
[URL="http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2333660690"]sigh[/URL]
gotta love dota when there's dazzle running mid to feed sf and windrunner that gave up one minute in the game
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
oh cool
dazzle is a smurf with 200 matches
why doesn't valve match me with people that has a similar amount of games played??????
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;50237443]did anyone else just get winter treasure drops? any reason why?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/SrAr2Vt.png[/img][/QUOTE]
looks like everyone who had lvl1000 ti5 compedium got them
[QUOTE=Oicani Gonzales;50237868]it was for getting over level 1000 in the 2015 compendium. they removed the compendium item today.
thanks, i guess, valve....[/QUOTE]
did they, though? it still apears in people's bp despite saying it expires few hours ago; unless thats for steam inventories begin outdated
...oh
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Idk why they made it expire. The people who got it paid $400+ for it. It didn't even do anything special besides be a lovely placeholder on the profile.
[QUOTE=ghghop;50238007]It didn't even do anything special besides be a lovely placeholder on the profile.[/QUOTE]
actually it makes ingame aegis (the one hanging in respawn) glow with sunbeams effects, pretty cool imo
Someone at Valve has seriously been browsing reddit non-stop, considering most of the latest patches are based upon suggestions/reports on reddit. :v:
Now if I could only get them to read the rest of my voice lines suggestions...
Speaking of reddit, i wonder if its worth suggesting there - the "prerelease tb arcana", as a second style.
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it was aviable via item-chaning in loadout then dying, before reborn update which fixed it and many other cool glitches like burning sf etc
Manta medusa can't be that bad, because the pros keep doing it. I've been watching the WePlay tournament, and both times she was picked they bought a manta on her. I had a brief look at recent tournaments, and the majority of games they seem to pick up manta, even if there isn't much to dispel.
[url]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2290129859[/url]
[url]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2311280185[/url]
[url]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2325479729[/url]
[url]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2332796666[/url]
[QUOTE=X-Neon;50238893]Manta medusa can't be that bad, because the pros keep doing it. I've been watching the WePlay tournament, and both times she was picked they bought a manta on her. I had a brief look at recent tournaments, and the majority of games they seem to pick up manta, even if there isn't much to dispel.
[URL]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2290129859[/URL]
[URL]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2311280185[/URL]
[URL]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2325479729[/URL]
[URL]http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2332796666[/URL][/QUOTE]
1. Puck and Batrider both significantly outdamaged her, and Bounty had a competitive amount of damage for someone who participated in 9 more kills.
2. Carried again, this time by Doom and Invoker.
3. Ramzes is a mechanical wizard and could make any build on any hero work, as long as he has his keyboard.
4. They... lost? What is the point of this link?
[QUOTE=TeamEnternode;50233865]Well yeah that's why you build S+Y
[B]
Strength for more tankiness, Agility for Damage, move speed[/B], and Maim for the ability to chase (thus score kills).
[B]Manta, on the other hand, only has the Agility and (less) Strength,[/B] and the ability to create illusions that do piss poor damage and don't help you secure kills in any way.
The fuck is the point?[/QUOTE]
did you miss where i said you get all 3 stats?
getting int and str on medusa is more valuable than just str because of mana shield
and as i said its a farming item its not a fighting item on medusa, its just slot efficient since you will almost ALWAYS get a yasha on medusa because its literally every stat she needs. the upgrade to manta provides a minor increase in damage and the extra illusions for farming and split pushing, making you able to recoup the costs of the ultimate orb (WHICH YOU WANT BECAUSE OF THE STATS)
some carries get the yasha for the manta (anti mage, chaos knight)
some carries get manta for the yasha, when the SnY is not the superior item (medusa, tiny)
I'd rather use an Ultimate Orb on a Skadi on Medusa, not a fucking Manta.
Also Mjolnir is a way better farming item on Medusa.
[QUOTE=TeamEnternode;50238982]I'd rather use an Ultimate Orb on a Skadi on Medusa, not a fucking Manta.[/QUOTE]
thats why you get the skadi without upgrading the yasha. i said this
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=TeamEnternode;50238982]
Also Mjolnir is a way better farming item on Medusa.[/QUOTE]
2k gold vs like the 5k
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
the manta pickup isnt because its super good on medusa because of damage output, its because its slot efficient and gives enough good stats to be both a tank and farming item while you can get a fast yasha which is a good early fighting and farming item because of cost efficency
[QUOTE=devon_wargod;50238933]1. Puck and Batrider both significantly outdamaged her, and Bounty had a competitive amount of damage for someone who participated in 9 more kills.
2. Carried again, this time by Doom and Invoker.
3. Ramzes is a mechanical wizard and could make any build on any hero work, as long as he has his keyboard.
4. They... lost? What is the point of this link?[/QUOTE]
My point isn't that manta medusa won the game, just that if pros keep buying it then it can't be bad.
[QUOTE=X-Neon;50239055]My point isn't that manta medusa won the game, just that if pros keep buying it then it can't be bad.[/QUOTE]
1-3-1-1 Storm Spirit died for a reason. Back when Riki's ult was invis, maxing Blink Strike first died for a reason. etc.
tbf medusa isnt a hero that sees much competitive play or experimentation so theres lots of room to find the most optimal build soon
i just personally like the mass +stats build
