[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;49251210]So I decided that if I was going to make a TV show about our Shadowrun campaign, [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VbODnX0dVs]this'd[/url] be our opening.
Notable events that you could have clips of in the opening include:
We're not very good Shadowrunners. Or we're excellent shadowrunners because we're not dead yet?[/QUOTE]
If you've only been accused of terrorism you're not a real runner.
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;49251132]whelp
looks like somebody needs talking to next session[/QUOTE]
Well, is it something to do with sorcerous metamagic? Twinned spell, maybe? I'm not too darn familiar with a Sorcerer's bag of tricks, but I know they can change normal spellcasting rules and behavior to a certain degree with their sorcery points.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49251648]Well, is it something to do with sorcerous metamagic? Twinned spell, maybe? I'm not too darn familiar with a Sorcerer's bag of tricks, but I know they can change normal spellcasting rules and behavior to a certain degree with their sorcery points.[/QUOTE]
Within very strict limitations, and you cannot twin AoE spells (except very specific examples like Ice Knife). Beyond that, barring the 'twinned spell' (which as I said works in a very specific way), you CANNOT cast multiple slotted spells in a turn. You can only ever cast a cantrip and a slotted spell, even if you had 100 actions.
Unrelated note, but I just remember this and am having a laugh:
I first played D&D at a public game about two years ago. Only had the one session, because the shop I went to play at stuck me at a table with mostly children. There were six of us, and four members of the group were classmates in middle school. One of the kids in particular was being incredibly annoying. I just let him have his fun for a while, since yelling at a kid for being annoying is like yelling at a cat for meowing. It's just gonna make you look like a dick.
But he crossed a line when he started to actively work against us in combat because he was trying to befriend an enemy [I]while we were clobbering him[/I]. He had failed his initial charisma rolls, combat broke out, and he spent the first several rounds healing the enemy and trying to prevent damage to him. It was a tough enough fight without that.
I was playing a barbarian. So, after setting this giant tree-monster on fire with my torch and seeing the annoying young wizard put it out with a spell, I decided enough was enough.
"I'm going to attack our wizard, and try to knock him out."
The dungeon-master, obviously relieved, said, "roll to strike."
Nat 20. DM ruled him as being knocked the fuck out. I swear to God that kid was on the verge of crying. Didn't say anything the rest of the game except to whine about how unfair it was a few times.
[QUOTE=Rents;49251632]If you've only been accused of terrorism you're not a real runner.[/QUOTE]
We blew up a military plane with far, far, far too much explosive so we're definitely terrorists. But we also tortured a metahuman rights activist to death who was accused of terrorism and made him renounce his ideals before killing him so I guess it balances out?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49251406]twice as shit as well, seeing as rogue is probably one of the most underperforming classes in combat in PF[/QUOTE]
speaking as someone who's got a party with two of the damn things, that is a bloody lie
if your rogue is doing shit that's because they're a bad rogue, not because rogue is bad
Standard rogues are pretty good if they stick along with another melee dude and they help each other flank, unchained rogues and slayers are basically the same, but better.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49251406]twice as shit as well, seeing as rogue is probably one of the most underperforming classes in combat in PF[/QUOTE]
I dunno about in Pathfinder, but they're pretty darn potent in 5e! Not only does their sneak attack damage get fairly bonkers, they have a lot of versatility thanks to their doubled skill proficiency choices and cunning action. Good fun, Rogues. Since PF is based off 3.5e, have rogues changed a lot between editions?
Related question: are there huge differences between 4e and 5e? One of my players has played 4e and is worried that 5e will be more complicated/less fun. Think it will be an easy jump for her? I mean, 5e seems about as streamlined as you can get, but she said 4e was completely bare-bones. Never touched it, so I can't say.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49251996]I dunno about in Pathfinder, but they're pretty darn potent in 5e! Not only does their sneak attack damage get fairly bonkers, they have a lot of versatility thanks to their doubled skill proficiency choices and cunning action. Good fun, Rogues. Since PF is based off 3.5e, have rogues changed a lot between editions?
Related question: are there huge differences between 4e and 5e? One of my players has played 4e and is worried that 5e will be more complicated/less fun. Think it will be an easy jump for her? I mean, 5e seems about as streamlined as you can get, but she said 4e was completely bare-bones. Never touched it, so I can't say.[/QUOTE]
They get basically the same stuff, crazy but situational damage, more skills than anyone else, good with traps, and a few other miscellaneous tricks (called rogue talents in PF, there's a big list you pick from every other level).
4e is fairly different from 5e, pretty much everything is a little bit different but all of the basics stay the same, it wouldn't be too hard to get used to.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49251996]I dunno about in Pathfinder, but they're pretty darn potent in 5e! Not only does their sneak attack damage get fairly bonkers, they have a lot of versatility thanks to their doubled skill proficiency choices and cunning action. Good fun, Rogues. Since PF is based off 3.5e, have rogues changed a lot between editions?
Related question: are there huge differences between 4e and 5e? One of my players has played 4e and is worried that 5e will be more complicated/less fun. Think it will be an easy jump for her? I mean, 5e seems about as streamlined as you can get, but she said 4e was completely bare-bones. Never touched it, so I can't say.[/QUOTE]
5e is actually [I]less[/I] complicated, from what I know.
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;49251132]whelp
looks like somebody needs talking to next session[/QUOTE]
It's possible if they are multiclassed with Fighter that they can action surge and cast two spells, but only once per short rest. The "Quickened Spell" metamagic doesn't allow you to cast two spells in one round, unless one of those spells is a cantrip - and the "Twinned Spell" metamagic doesn't allow you to cast two AoE spells, only single target spells.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49251406]twice as shit as well, seeing as rogue is probably one of the most underperforming classes in combat in PF[/QUOTE]
i don't get where this outlook comes from
they're literally the top DPS class in the game?
[QUOTE=elowin;49252671]i don't get where this outlook comes from
they're literally the top DPS class in the game?[/QUOTE]
Everyone seems to forget that 9/10 monster types that were immune to sneak attacks/crits in 3.5 don't have it anymore in PF
Only Oozes and Elementals have it by default, if I recall
[QUOTE=elowin;49252671]i don't get where this outlook comes from
they're literally the top DPS class in the game?[/QUOTE]
People who're bad at tactics and/or teamwork. Rogues aren't great if they can't sneak attack and godlike when they can, so because you can't just charge at things and mash them like a barbarian it's bad.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
Although if you have a rogue and a barbarian flanking something it's going to get murdered pretty fast.
[QUOTE=Rents;49252887]People who're bad at tactics and/or teamwork. Rogues aren't great if they can't sneak attack and godlike when they can, so because you can't just charge at things and mash them like a barbarian it's bad.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
Although if you have a rogue and a barbarian flanking something it's going to get murdered pretty fast.[/QUOTE]
As long as you have another melee fighter you can literally sneak attack all the time though. Might have to run through a threatened space or two, but even that's not a huge deal with a few magic items.
After attacking a den of thugs and killing nearly everyone in there, we have formalized a contract with the leader of the mysterious "Red Masks", who has promised me 12 gold pieces in return for killing the king and launching a violent revolution. An anarchist hobbit named "Fundelgruff" has joined us in the quest to dismantle the oppressive social and economic inequalities perpetuated by imperialist dogma.
There's also some dude doing evil stuff with crystals but he's not important right now.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49254029]After attacking a den of thugs and killing nearly everyone in there, we have formalized a contract with the leader of the mysterious "Red Masks", who has promised me 12 gold pieces in return for killing the king and launching a violent revolution. An anarchist hobbit named "Fundelgruff" has joined us in the quest to dismantle the oppressive social and economic inequalities perpetuated by imperialist dogma.
There's also some dude doing evil stuff with crystals but he's not important right now.[/QUOTE]
I don't take a shit for anything less than a hundred gold
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;49254102]I don't take a shit for anything less than a hundred gold[/QUOTE]
Well, to be fair, he's the only one who wants to do this
And he'll probably fail.
[QUOTE=Jrose14;49254336]Well, to be fair, he's the only one who wants to do this
And he'll probably fail.[/QUOTE]
I'll do better than the paladin. We walked past a slave pen and he insisted we go in and free them all. I mean why even bother? He's the only one who wants to do that.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49254436]I'll do better than the paladin. We walked past a slave pen and he insisted we go in and free them all. I mean why even bother? He's the only one who wants to do that.[/QUOTE]
I'm betting that one of them may repay me in intercourse, and I'm taking my chances as they come.
[QUOTE=Pezgod1;49255023]I'm betting that one of them may repay me in intercourse, and I'm taking my chances as they come.[/QUOTE]
why
what is wrong with you
In today's session, no fighting, lots of talking. The opposite of most of the other sessions.
And mostly talking to dumb paladins to boot!
At least this paladin isn't a sex offender though
I only have one real goal in 5e at the moment, and that is to successfully dominate a dracolich with a necromancer wizard. It seems like a nearly impossible feat, but I'm convinced I can do it somehow. I mean, all I have to do is get rid of its three free saves per day, put it in a position that keeps it from having advantage against spells, and then get feeblemind off on it... And also not die in the process.
But then I have a pet dracolich, even if it only has 1 intelligence.
[QUOTE=DeathBacon;49255840]I only have one real goal in 5e at the moment, and that is to successfully dominate a dracolich with a necromancer wizard. It seems like a nearly impossible feat, but I'm convinced I can do it somehow. I mean, all I have to do is get rid of its three free saves per day, put it in a position that keeps it from having advantage against spells, and then get feeblemind off on it... And also not die in the process.
But then I have a pet dracolich, even if it only has 1 intelligence.[/QUOTE]
You can permanently dominate an ancient white dracolich even without lowering its intelligence.
[QUOTE=Glent;49255885]You can permanently dominate an ancient white dracolich even without lowering its intelligence.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's the dream of all necromancers. Good luck achieving your dreams, lil wizman! A good alternative is a mummy lord, as they ALSO have shit int.
My first public game was a couple of years ago at Tampa Bay comic con. I found this area of the convention where they played board games, and in the corner some guys had set up a demo for Pathfinder.
Now, I had been playing for years at that point and was just there to try to play with strangers for the heck of it... but when a 12-13 year old girl wanted to join I have to admit, I was sure that she was going to act like a complete jackass, be impatient, and generally just act like a kid. Especially since it was her first game.
She was the sweetest girl I had met in a long time. She played a druid and was completely blown away by the freedom in the game. We were at a locked gate in-game, and I remember clearly when the GM asked her what she wanted to do, that she had this expression of confusion that slowly changed to pure awe when we explained to her that she could basicly do whatever she thought her character could do. She just changed from being a little nervous and timid to going all in with solutions to our predicament.
She reminded me of myself when I first startede playing and why I love this hobby... cheesy I know, but that's what happend.
She was actually a pretty decent player as well from what I recall, she at least saved my fighter when he was pinned by a couple of cultists by sending her panther to eat them.
So that was my first public game, and it was then that I wanted to try to start more newbie friendly games.
[QUOTE=elowin;49252671]i don't get where this outlook comes from
they're literally the top DPS class in the game?[/QUOTE]
in my experience, they are consistently outdamaged by archers - situational damage is high, but that's irrelevant when you've got classes that put out consistent competitive DPS (archer fighter/monk, fighters, inquisitors, fucking casters)
not denying you'll see some big numbers when a rogue gets a chance, but it's getting the chance that is the problem
[URL]http://rollforinitiative.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/ranking-pathfinder-classes-updated.html[/URL]
[URL]http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=11990.0[/URL]
[URL]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?311718-Tier-list-for-PF-classes-or-summary-of-each[/URL]
literally cannot find a power ranking for classes in PF where rogue comes even close to top, usually they are dead bottom (admittedly these are flexibility ranking more than anything, but i'm still not seeing what other people see in rogues)
[QUOTE=elowin;49255550]And mostly talking to dumb paladins to boot!
At least this paladin isn't a sex offender though[/QUOTE]
That you know.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49258230]in my experience, they are consistently outdamaged by archers - situational damage is high, but that's irrelevant when you've got classes that put out consistent competitive DPS (fucking casters)
[/QUOTE]
fucking casters
really
FUCKING CASTERS
are you kidding me?
Have you ever played Pathfinder? Not only do you think casters have good DPS, but [i]consistently[/i] good DPS? Are you nuts? Blaster casters are a fucking [i]joke[/i], and they're literally [i]the[/i] least consistent due to spell slots.
And tier lists are literally bullshit lol. There are no tier lists.
Now that that's out of the way...
What you call "situational damage," any decent rogue calls "I do this every fucking turn"
Sneak attacks are so goddamn easy to get. Even the simplest amount of teamwork will net you constant sneak attacks, because all it requires is to flank someone, which is fucking [i]easy[/i], and for doing it you get what is pretty much the greatest damn single target DPS possible.
Basically? Get good.
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