[QUOTE=Sift;49783175]On the topic of the actual game, for people with actual choice and decided to do Nohr first what was your reasoning? I kinda figured I'd let the story try to sway me and I literally had 0 interest in going that route once the first few chapters ended.
Spoilers for before the split [sp]Seriously, Baby Munching Evil Dad has tried to kill me like 3-4 times in the intro alone and the best Xander could do is "Uh maybe he'll forgive you?" Like Xander seems like the type of guy to have absolutely no free will of his own.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I chose it first only because I heard it was harder and had better maps
[QUOTE=Sift;49783175]On the topic of the actual game, for people with actual choice and decided to do Nohr first what was your reasoning? I kinda figured I'd let the story try to sway me and I literally had 0 interest in going that route once the first few chapters ended.
Spoilers for before the split [sp]Seriously, Baby Munching Evil Dad has tried to kill me like 3-4 times in the intro alone and the best Xander could do is "Uh maybe he'll forgive you?" Like Xander seems like the type of guy to have absolutely no free will of his own.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]nohr story is still anti-garon, you work against him from the inside to stop the war cause he's a scumbag and you want peace[/sp]
[editline]21st February 2016[/editline]
That being said, I bought conquest purely cause my girlfriend got birthright :v:
40$ for Campaign 1, 20$ for Campaign 2, 18$ for Map Pack 1, 20$ Revelation
That's "All" of the game, right? I'm not forgetting anything, other than the Amiibo nonsense?
[QUOTE=Roman Candle;49783328]40$ for Campaign 1, 20$ for Campaign 2, 18$ for Map Pack 1, 20$ Revelation
That's "All" of the game, right? I'm not forgetting anything, other than the Amiibo nonsense?[/QUOTE]
Probably some more DLC down the line
[QUOTE=Nidhogg;49781943]Uuuuuhh so apparently Nintendo reblogged one of my Miiverse doodles on their Tumblr page.
[url]http://nintendo.tumblr.com/post/138736516317[/url]
I did not expect this. Wish it was one of my better Miiverse doodles, though.[/QUOTE]
Looks perfectly fine to me.
[QUOTE=kobalt;49783808][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cbtrl8SVAAA1G0X.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
That's a funny name.
Anyway I hope the Fire Emblem Censorship fiasco will do something good, I don't want games to be censored.
[QUOTE=Roman Candle;49783328]40$ for Campaign 1, 20$ for Campaign 2, 18$ for Map Pack 1, 20$ Revelation
That's "All" of the game, right? I'm not forgetting anything, other than the Amiibo nonsense?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, though will say Map Pack 1 is easily skippable stuff as it's "play this easy map and get like a jillion gold" type stuff.
[QUOTE=Sift;49780271]Pretty much this. "Oh it sold poorly guess you won't get it at all because there's no profit."
And to be frank I've seen worse then removing pointless pandering.[/QUOTE]
Removing the face rubbing is one thing, adding pointless memes is another.
What exactly are the memes in Fates? I'm kinda early on in the game (chapter 8).
the only thing I've seen people really talk about is the pickle dude
Same. I've seen "It's NoA so there HAS to be memes" but uh, haven't seen any yet?
Also if there's a single meme somewhere or something I find it hard to believe it'll ruin the entire game, are there actually people out there who see one in a game and just freak out?
Also also, it's my Birthday today! My Corrin had a buncha fun stuff happen but it ended with him going "Oh and hey I found something on the ground!" [You got a [PINE TWIG] ] and him looking smug as hell. H-happy birthday??
[QUOTE=DrCactus;49785056]What exactly are the memes in Fates? I'm kinda early on in the game (chapter 8).
the only thing I've seen people really talk about is the pickle dude[/QUOTE]
I am still yet to see any actual memes in Fates. People keep posting screenshots of quirky dialog and calling it FULL OF MEMES. That's not a meme, you dip.
In fact, the only Fates meme I've seen so far is from the [i]fan translation[/i], where someone's level-up phrase is "feels good, man".
[QUOTE=Shugo;49785157]I am still yet to see any actual memes in Fates. People keep posting screenshots of quirky dialog and calling it FULL OF MEMES. That's not a meme, you dip.
In fact, the only Fates meme I've seen so far is from the [i]fan translation[/i], where someone's level-up phrase is "feels good, man".[/QUOTE]
People would call everything a meme just for the heck of hating on something nowadays.
A meme doesn't have to be an existing thing the Pickles thing was obviously upplayed to reach meme status. It's not memes but awful dialogue, typos, censoring, and rewritten chracters that makes the treehouse localization absolute hot garbage
[QUOTE=Wormy;49785565]Translations are meant to be just that: [B]translations[/B]. Translations should strive to be as accurate as possible, not rewrite a bunch of stuff for no particular reason.[/QUOTE]
It's not a translation, though, it's a [i]localization[/i]. There's a big difference between the two: one is simply an exchange of foreign language to equivalent local language meant to relay basic meaning and one is a total rewrite meant to make content palatable for a different region. Localization is necessary for content to be enjoyable for people who might not be familiar with the original cultural elements and references.
However that isn't to say the Fates localization is great. I've read some deep analysis from people familiar with the original Japanese dialog and many characters have had their personalities butchered by the rewrites, seemingly for no discernible reason. A localization [i]should[/I] make creative changes in order to make Japanese tropes into something a typical westerner can understand, but it should also strive to make it something [i]equivalent[/i] to the original in meaning. Changing a character's personality from one thing which would've been fine as-is into another different thing just for the sake of it doesn't make sense. I won't delve into details, but there are posts about it on the FE subreddit.
Overall, from what I've seen, I don't think the Fates localization is a total travesty. It has some good decisions and some bad decisions. The total removal of significant content is really what makes it not great, and is what started all this controversy in the first place.
[QUOTE=Wormy;49785823]Oh right, thanks for clearing that up. Still though, I am questioning their motives for rewriting some of the characters. I wonder if Nintendo of Japan even get notified of stuff like this happening, or if they have no idea about the exact changes being done.
They probably don't care either way I bet.[/QUOTE]
Most of the time it seems they don't know, but I have seen some devs express opinions about their games' localizations. Some think the localized versions change things for the better, some don't like it. Nintendo first- and second-parties are rarely allowed to speak out about such a thing, so we may never know in Fates' case.
This discussion reminded me of this gem.
[t]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/katietiedrich/comic331_zps0e179cf7.png[/t]
Same goes for the "jelly donuts" in the dub of Pokemon.
They actually approve of it from what I understand.
It's also something that happens to literally every game ever which is why I think it's silly to suddenly start giving a shit about it. Awakening for example didn't get [i]nearly[/i] this much backlash when it had characters completely rewritten or renamed (Gregor and Henry come to mind) and it's something that's just been "a thing" forever.
I love the Ace Attorney localization, personally. Extremely creative transformation that has just as much personality as the original. It's completely rewritten, but in a very good way. A perfect example of heavy localization gone right.
IIRC I believe I read somewhere that Shu Takumi likes the localization a lot, and it's one of the reasons that all the Japanese versions of the original trilogy (from DS onward) have the English script included as an option.
[QUOTE=Sift;49786221]They actually approve of it from what I understand.
It's also something that happens to literally every game ever which is why I think it's silly to suddenly start giving a shit about it. Awakening for example didn't get [i]nearly[/i] this much backlash when it had characters completely rewritten or renamed (Gregor and Henry come to mind) and it's something that's just been "a thing" forever.[/QUOTE]
There were plenty of complaints about Awakening's localization and censorship. It just wasn't on quite this scale because they didn't remove any significant amount of content like they've done with Fates. It's that bit there that's caused everyone to take aim at Fates. I agree that many people are going overboard and seeing problems where there aren't any (like Izana's dialog), but there [i]are[/I] some spots that have obvious poor choices made (like [sp]Rhajat's entire personality changed from being rather sweet and very loyal to being really 'yandere' and creepy[/sp]).
[QUOTE=Shugo;49786281]There were plenty of complaints about Awakening's localization and censorship. It just wasn't on quite this scale because they didn't remove any significant amount of content like they've done with Fates. It's that bit there that's caused everyone to take aim at Fates. I agree that many people are going overboard and seeing problems where there aren't any (like Izana's dialog), but there [i]are[/I] some spots that have obvious poor choices made (like [sp]Rhajat's entire personality changed from being rather sweet and very loyal to being really 'yandere' and creepy[/sp]).[/QUOTE]
Being honest but really never saw complaints on awakening, actually usually saw praising because "Henry is such a blank slate and nothing character, he actually has a personality now in the translation" and the like.
But yeah that's just a example in fire emblem, look at literally any Dragon Quest game for things getting cut and scripts getting entirely rewritten. It's just silly to me is all. (It's also silly to get worked up over a couple typos in a script heavy game but that's another case entirely)
Yeah, but Awakening had dual audio, and not completely garbage English VAs.
You can always turn the Voice slider down to 0 if it bothers you that much, until they (hopefully) release a JP audio pack.
You could also try to persuade them to release one, not sure how tho. It's such a weird decision that it didn't come with it.
[QUOTE=alpha00zero;49786834]You can always turn the Voice slider down to 0 if it bothers you that much, until they (hopefully) release a JP audio pack.
You could also try to persuade them to release one, not sure how tho. It's such a weird decision that it didn't come with it.[/QUOTE]
I heard someone already did this.
[URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/comments/46o2no/fire_emblem_fates_hans_compatible_undubs_have/"]yup[/URL]
There's plenty of good localizations out there, but there's also plenty of bad ones. And with a series like Fire Emblem where the characters are more notable and developed than the plot, completely changing characterizations into something that makes it seem arguably like the localizers threw out source material for the sake of humor and their own perceptions of characters is the [i]bad[/i] way to go. Combine that with content censorship and a flagrant disregard for both series traditional naming schemes and seemingly even their own previous localization of Awakening, and the Treehouse screwed the pooch for the fans that actually care.
But if you're just playing the game without really knowing about how much characterization got changed for the sake of it, most players will probably not even remotely care. The game is still perfectly playable, if not controversial for its business model, most people generally agree the skinship minigame was kind of pointlessly weird, and the story is still entirely intact. If anything, the Treehouse localization is just the lit fuse of the powder keg that Fates represented to fans in the first place, since a lot of people were flipping out about said business model routes, the waifu-ism being further accentuated, the whole "Hoshido are blatantly the preference of the developers in story and design", and so forth. It was just waiting for fans to tear into it for something or another, and besides the godawful voice acting, it's not like every single character was radically altered or butchered, but that and the principle of the censorship was just enough to send everyone into a frenzy.
As many issues as there are, I have to say one thing.
[sp]The game has such a fantastic Title Screen.[/sp]
I'm also really happy with some of the new unit designs, Knights and Cavaliers in particular, I never was happy with them in Awakening
I heard the Fates ROMhack people actually managed/are managing to patch face rubbing back in as well as undubs, translation ports to the JP version and even new relationships.
I'll retract my previous statement about it being unviable. Jesus fucking Christ. :v:
That
That feels like it was a placeholder and they straight up forgot to go back to it. What the hell.
On the topic of voices more I play the funnier it is to me that people are getting so up in arms about it. It's mostly just grunts and shouts and like 2-3 word phrases repeated forever. I guess that's why I never gave a shit about it (or knew dual audio was a thing in Awakening apparently?) Never felt the need to hear NANI?! instead of WHAT?!
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