Fallout V23: "I got another thread that needs your help." - Games

[QUOTE=_charon;49304304]Not exactly a drug aficionado here, but people generally just call any kind of crack cocaine "crack", regardless of who made it, where it came from, or what it's made of. If it quacks like a duck, it may as well be a duck I don't care I'm gonna goddamn inhale it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but hear me out: Myron invents jet. he dies and everyone forgets about it. [I]Because of this[/I], now everything with an inhaler is called jet. ???

[Main Quest spoilers] [sp]So, I have got to the point where I could help rebuild the Liberty Prime, but I don't really wanna follow the Brotherhood questline, I just want to do Danse's personal quest Is it possible to keep going with the Railroad? I fear that if I do the quest they won't let me go on with them[/sp]

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49304308]Yeah, but hear me out: Myron invents jet. he dies and everyone forgets about it. [I]Because of this[/I], now everything with an inhaler is called jet. ???[/QUOTE] It becomes a colloquialism over time due to a lack of brand name enforcement, like people calling all tissues kleenex, all spray lubricant WD-40, etc.

There are people who care about proper drug nomenclature, then there are people who just want to get high. The latter are usually the ones who determine what is called what, by sheer number alone.

[QUOTE=lol user;49304313][Main Quest spoilers] [sp]So, I have got to the point where I could help rebuild the Liberty Prime, but I don't really wanna follow the Brotherhood questline, I just want to do Danse's personal quest Is it possible to keep going with the Railroad? I fear that if I do the quest they won't let me go on with them[/sp][/QUOTE] the game will explicitly tell you when you are about to piss off a faction to the point of no return.

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49304291]Why only people in Boston kept cats as pets? If they breed as crazy why can't you see a single one in the entire west coast, the midwest and washington? why people don't even recall the idea of what a cat is anymore if they're still around and the game is just not showing us? or there's something in the commonwealth that protected it's entire cat population somehow? it's not a matter of showing everything, but it makes no goddamn sense for cats to survive in only an arbitrary area of the country. everyone treated cats as extinct till new vegas - you can't add it out of nowhere without it feeling strange.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call it an arbitrary area - exactly what species house cats are descended from isn't known, but they're almost certainly from a forested region with a chillier climate - it's possible they're just better suited for the Commonwealth, a relatively hospitable environment (other than the Glowing Sea) compared to nearly everywhere else in North America we've been, capable of sustaining a healthy enough ecosystem for swamps and forests, with a temperate climate, than they are for the dead, dusty desert on the West Coast.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49304315]It becomes a colloquialism over time due to a lack of brand name enforcement, like people calling all tissues kleenex, all spray lubricant WD-40, etc.[/QUOTE] But no one is supposed to know about jet. Everyone [I]forgot about jet.[/I] If what I'm picking up in fallout 4 isn't genetically altered brahmin poop, then it shouldn't be called jet.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49304308]Yeah, but hear me out: Myron invents jet. he dies and everyone forgets about it. [I]Because of this[/I], now everything with an inhaler is called jet. ???[/QUOTE] As I said before, I just figured he took the name from a pre-war drug. As others have said though, the people taking the drug aren't really gonna care what it is; if it looks like jet and acts like jet, it's jet.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49304342]But no one is supposed to know about jet. Everyone [I]forgot about jet.[/I] If what I'm picking up in fallout 4 isn't genetically altered brahmin poop, then it shouldn't be called jet.[/QUOTE] I was corrected on this before iirc; they forgot Myron made jet, but the recipe wasn't explicitly lost, and is definitely the kind of thing someone would write down.

[QUOTE=_charon;49304334]I wouldn't call it an arbitrary area - exactly what species house cats are descended from isn't known, but they're almost certainly from a forested region with a chillier climate - it's possible they're just better suited for the Commonwealth, a relatively hospitable environment (other than the Glowing Sea) compared to nearly everywhere else in North America we've been, capable of sustaining a healthy enough ecosystem for swamps and forests, with a temperate climate, than they are for the dead, dusty desert on the West Coast.[/QUOTE] Cats were first domesticated in Egypt So much for "forested, chillier climates"

It's fair to assume not even the sole survivor knows who came up with Jet and what exactly makes Jet so special other than the fact it's cow shit in an inhaler. Myron's original recipe is either lost in the ages or only kept alive by what remains of the Mordino family and possibly Dixon (assuming he actually has the same recipe for his own jet, and not something that's close to it). [editline]13th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49304342]But no one is supposed to know about jet. Everyone [I]forgot about jet.[/I] If what I'm picking up in fallout 4 isn't genetically altered brahmin poop, then it shouldn't be called jet.[/QUOTE] Yeah because the average stoner on the east coast would be able to tell if that brahmin shit in an inhaler they're smelling up is genetically altered shit or just average shit

the only interesting thing about Cait is that she's obviously come from across the Atlantic but of course it's never explained, not even mentioned no doubt because Ireland is too far to work in a fetch quest

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49304362]Cats were first domesticated in Egypt So much for "forested, chillier climates"[/QUOTE] Actually back in 2013 archeologists have found cat bones dating from 5000 years ago in China, far before the Egyptians started treating cats like gods back in 2000 BC.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49304381]Actually back in 2013 archeologists have found cat bones dating from 5000 years ago in China, far before the Egyptians started treating cats like gods back in 2000 BC.[/QUOTE] And? I'm not saying cats started existing in Egypt. I'm talking about when they started being domesticated.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49304373]the only interesting thing about Cait is that she's obviously come from across the Atlantic but of course it's never explained, not even mentioned no doubt because Ireland is too far to work in a fetch quest[/QUOTE] She could have just grown up in a gated community of Irish immigrants from before the war who kept their accent due to their seclusion. I mean you find Slavs in Diamond City with a really thick accent and it's never indicated they actually personally come from there.

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49304362]Cats were first domesticated in Egypt So much for "forested, chillier climates"[/QUOTE] This isn't 100% certain; cats just seemed to pop all over, everyone "domesticating" (the term doesn't apply to them all that well, they're basically wild animals that have learned to get food by following people around) them at uncertain times, seemingly by accident, and cats either stowing away with humans as they traveled across the world or being carried along intentionally introduced them all over the place and muddied their bloodline quite a bit. edit: also in 2000 BC Egypt wasn't chilly or a forest, but it wasn't a desert yet either. It was mostly marshland iirc, North Africa was a lot wetter back then.

[QUOTE=_charon;49304391]This isn't 100% certain; cats just seemed to pop all over, everyone "domesticating" (the term doesn't apply to them all that well, they're basically wild animals that have learned to get food by following people around) them at uncertain times, seemingly by accident, and cats either stowing away with humans as they traveled across the world or being carried along intentionally introduced them all over the place and muddied their bloodline quite a bit.[/QUOTE] It's pretty certain that they can adapt pretty well to dry, hot climate areas though, which was my point - nothing in Boston is more apt for cat preservation than in the mojave or california man i can't believe we're discussing cats in a freaking post apocalyptic game

[QUOTE=_charon;49304346]As I said before, I just figured he took the name from a pre-war drug. As others have said though, the people taking the drug aren't really gonna care what it is; if it looks like jet and acts like jet, it's jet.[/QUOTE] there was no pre-war drug named jet. and for people to "not care about what it is and call it jet", they need to know what jet is in the first place, which no one knows. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;49304365] [editline]13th December 2015[/editline] Yeah because the average stoner on the east coast would be able to tell if that brahmin shit in an inhaler they're smelling up is genetically altered shit or just average shit[/QUOTE] you missed the point of the post and chose to be pedantic over my use oft he word 'genetic', the average stoner on the east coast wouldn't know what jet is or was. they wouldn't have any reason to call any drug jet unless, yknow, jet actually arrived there.

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49304388]And? I'm not saying cats started existing in Egypt. I'm talking about when they started being domesticated.[/QUOTE] They found cat bones in a village, not in the wilderness. It's fair to assume that cat bones found in places where humans have been hanging out for thousands of years indicates some form of domestication. Going down that road, the earliest form of cat and human association was found in Cyprus, in ten thousand years old burial grounds in which a human and a wild cat were buried together. It's also fair to assume that just like wolves came to be dogs, the domestication process didn't happen solely in Egypt and probably happened in several places at once. Oh well, this is entirely out of topic.

[QUOTE=Ruh-roh;49304401]It's pretty certain that they can adapt pretty well to dry, hot climate areas though, which was my point - nothing in Boston is more apt for cat preservation than in the mojave or california[/QUOTE] I agree with that, I just think it could be said that nature is a little more stable in the Commonwealth, so there's a somewhat better chance of cats surviving there. Personally, I figure cats are still alive on the West Coast; there's just not enough to be relevant to the player.

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49304408]you missed the point of the post and chose to be pedantic over my use oft he word 'genetic', the average stoner on the east coast wouldn't know what jet is or was. they wouldn't have any reason to call any drug jet unless, yknow, jet actually arrived there.[/QUOTE] And jet did arrive here because some unscrupulous merchants carried them over with them. When traders from the Hub (in which Jet was abundant back in 2241) brought a ton of shit along with them when they inevitably started travelling east to sell their stuff, jet would obviously be part of their supplies. It's a highly addictive drug that you can produce and sell for cheap - of course they'd bring it along and spread it across the east coast.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49304418]And jet did arrive here because some unscrupulous merchants carried them over with them. When traders from the Hub (in which Jet was abundant back in 2241) brought a ton of shit along with them when they inevitably started travelling east to sell their stuff, jet would obviously be part of their supplies. It's a highly addictive drug that you can produce and sell for cheap - of course they'd bring it along and spread it across the east coast.[/QUOTE] I'm well aware of the explanation to why it's on the east coast. I'm trying to emphasize why this exact explanation is why jet couldn't be a pre-war drug, nor could whatever we're picking up just be a pre-war drug masquerading as jet. jet has an established history you can track in the fallout universe, it just springing up in boston alongside within every single vault and pre-war area you can think of is, indeed, a retcon by bethseda.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49304276]I thought it was implied that Vault 81 had all the cats. Also about Jet, it can always be assumed that there was a drug pre-war that was put in an inhalator, and that Myron may have partially gotten the idea from that. Furthermore, nobody is supposed to remember Myron and his work, so all drugs that closely remember jet would just be called jet in universe, since nobody remember that it was invented in 2241, let alone who remembers it - as far as the people of the commonwealth are concerned, Jet has always been around.[/QUOTE] i always assumed pre-war jet was some pre-war steroid inhaler designed and processed to prevent many negative side effects, while wasteland jet is essentially a steroid too but has impurities that cause the addiction and nasty side effects sort of like medical grade meth vs shit made in an RV, they're both meth but the RV one has impurities if its not made by a balding chemistry teacher

[QUOTE=Yotrig;49303994]You have to use the railway rifle as the base weapon. player.additem fe268 1 is the code incase you need one and don't care about using console commands. Here's all the attachments I'm using. I actually refined it some more since originally posting it. [thumb]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/402308172479433034/8B2F3539908131223562BCB933718433BECD6397/[/thumb][/QUOTE] From what gun is the Long Barrel from? I can't find it anywhere EDIT: Its the Railway's own, nvm. Apparently the game messes up the listing, you can't go trough the attachments correctly, it will start assuming that your weapon only supports X reciever, or is a X reciever only weapon, and then you won't be able to switch back to its reciever if its a special weapon, like the Railway.

It's entirely possible that the "jet" you find in prewar areas isn't actually jet but some similar inhaler based drug that people including the sole survivor call Jet because they have no idea what it is, so they just call it after the colloquial drug that looks like it. Myron came up with brahmin shit being used for fumes but he was hardly the first one to come up with any form of fumes being used for a cheap and quick high. Even IRL people take big whiffs of various fumes from cleaning products because it gives a cheap high. It's not hard to imagine that Myron wasn't the first to come up with the idea of putting it in a repurposed inhaler either.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49304389]She could have just grown up in a gated community of Irish immigrants from before the war who kept their accent due to their seclusion. I mean you find Slavs in Diamond City with a really thick accent and it's never indicated they actually personally come from there.[/QUOTE] yeah she could have, maybe cait's an FEV leprechaun, maybe Dublin raised itself on massive legs and jumped into orbit, who cares outside of the fact that that entire glaring in-your-face feature of the character is actually never explained

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49304456][I]It's entirely possible that the "jet" you find in prewar areas isn't actually jet but some similar inhaler based drug that people including the sole survivor call Jet because they have no idea what it is, so they just call it after the colloquial drug that looks like it.[/I] Myron came up with brahmin shit being used for fumes but he was hardly the first one to come up with any form of fumes being used for a cheap and quick high. Even IRL people take big whiffs of various fumes from cleaning products because it gives a cheap high. It's not hard to imagine that Myron wasn't the first to come up with the idea of putting it in a repurposed inhaler either.[/QUOTE] stop it. stop trying to excuse bethseda's oversight with "well maybe this drug that's exactly the same as this other drug is just a different drug all together" it's lazy so so so lazy bethseda just really wanted to put drugs next to spooky skeletons in this game.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;49304458]yeah she could have, maybe cait's an FEV leprechaun, maybe Dublin raised itself on massive legs and jumped into orbit, who cares outside of the fact that that entire glaring in-your-face feature of the character is actually never explained[/QUOTE] Judging her background it's fair to assume she's not exactly keen on talking about her youth to anyone, especially considering how bad her upbringing was. [editline]13th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;49304465]stop it. stop trying to excuse bethseda's oversight with "well maybe this drug that's exactly the same as this other drug is just a different drug all together" it's lazy so so so lazy bethseda just really wanted to put drugs next to spooky skeletons in this game.[/QUOTE] You're literally throwing a hissy fit over a gameplay item being in odd places and when people speculate and come up with explanations you plug your ears and keep complaining

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49304141]Off the top of my head -People actually taking the sirens seriously, even though its been established a lot of people ignored them because of previous false alarms. And some places didn't even get a warning.[/QUOTE] well the sole survivor and company were alerted by the TV and not the sirens the fact that ron pearlman says that there are actual fucking nuclear ICBMS flying straight to bastan might confirm that this is not a drill

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;49304472] You're literally throwing a hissy fit over a gameplay item being in odd places and when people speculate and come up with explanations you plug your ears and keep complaining[/QUOTE] let's not get petty here friend but it's not just a gameplay item being in odd places. there's literally a terminal (two!) explicitly stating that jet is pre-war. you can 'come up' with explanations all you like but that's not what bethseda intended. bethseda didn't intend for there to be two different inhaler based drugs that are both displayed as jet to the player. this is just your explanation for an oversight.