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[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;49747991]God damn, I'm surprised this many people dislike Alphys. She's like my favorite character[/QUOTE] I don't think it's dislike as much as least liked. When everyone is a 10, the character that's an 8 or 9 is gonna be the least liked. I guess my point is that if Alphys is winning (losing?!?!) don't take it to mean she's hated at all.

how do you guys hate muffet so much she's like my fourth favorite, right underneath sans, blooky, and asgore

[QUOTE=SageJFox;49747537]I don't think [sp]the yellow (or any other) soul's an adult.[/sp] Apologies in advanced if this sounds off, never really tried to explain my reasoning before, but figured now's as good a time as any to share my madness. I always assumed based on the "intent to harm" stuff that a lot of the weapons worked, for lack of a better term, based off of the imagination, more so than their physical ability to harm (for the most part, will get to exceptions). Due to their bodies being made of magic, something that, let's say a child, imagines is actually able to affect a monster as a sort of "human magic." A couple example weapons: Stick - A stick by itself isn't much of a weapon, but it certainly makes a great pretend sword when you're a kid (at least, it did when I was a kid, can't say for anyone else). Toy Knife - Same idea as the stick, not much of a real weapon, but it works great when you're pretending. Torn Notebook - This one's probably the best example I have for this idea, especially supported by [sp]Omega Flowey's attacks with it. There he attacks with negative words, such as "HORROR", "DEATH", and "CRUELTY", and when the soul fights back, you're healed by "HOPE", "HAPPINESS", "KINDNESS", and so on.[/sp] I assume for the player using it, it's likely the same principle. They use the ideas contained in the notebook as the attack. It reminds me of a tweak to the old nursery rhyme I'll probably botch quoting. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will destroy my soul." Empty gun - whether a real gun without rounds, or as I always imagined it, an empty cap gun or squirt gun, no denying that it'd make a great accent for a game of Cops & Robbers, or Cowboys & Indians. "Bang! You're dead!" And the exception, the [sp]Real Knife. By this point in the Genocide route, you no longer have a child-like innocence, nor the imagination of one. But who needs that when you're -really- able to hurt somebody?[/sp] Again, just my ramblings on it, don't think I've ever heard anyone else say something like this, so hopefully I made at least some sense.[/QUOTE] [sp]I think the adult theory works when you consider the vast difference of power between Humans and Monsters, and that the strange weapons back that up. To a human, a stick or a toy or a glove becomes a potent weapon against monsters purely thanks to the sheer power disparity. The Real Knife is a real weapon, so the power is even further magnified. This also ties in with the killing intent idea. Frisk has no intent to kill with the knife at the end of pacifist so it remains weak. He has intent to kill at the end of genocide so its power is all-consuming.[/sp] [editline]15th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Monkah;49748053]how do you guys hate muffet so much she's like my fourth favorite, right underneath sans, blooky, and asgore[/QUOTE] Because she appears for about a minute and you don't get to know her.

confession: i don't like Spider Dance much at all in fact, Spider Dance, Metal Crusher, and Your Best Nightmare are among my least favorite tracks in Undertale [editline]Edited:[/editline] holy shit :dogwow:

[QUOTE=Monkah;49748053]how do you guys hate muffet so much she's like my fourth favorite, right underneath sans, blooky, and asgore[/QUOTE] Some things that happen on genocide's route can be her fault if you read into that text. As for Alphys she's a shitty person you're [i]forced[/i] to forgive and say you'll support. I get the feeling (pacifist stuff) [sp]like Asriel you'd have the choice to tell her no you're kind of a shitty person but Toby realized almost everyone would of chosen this.[/sp]

Relevant [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WBWCJC6.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ironman17;49746806]I'd probably have to say Mettaton. Since they're kind of an asshole even when [sp]they cast aside the "killer robot act".[/sp] Hell, [sp]if Asriel came back, I imagine he'd be disgusted at how Mettaton callously cast aside the kid's memorial statue and replaced it with a tacky water fountain.[/sp] Also the poll looks bugged on my end. Maybe link it instead.[/QUOTE] The thing is Mettaton is funny and entertaining throughout. What makes a good character is not whether they're morally in right, or whether you'd want to hang out with them IRL or something, it's whether they make the medium they're in more interesting. Like, Obi Wan Kenobi in Attack of the Clones is pretty much a morally upstanding dude who doesn't do anything wrong, but he's a completely bland and uninteresting character. I like, let's say, Andrew Ryan, much more than Obi Wan as a character because his horribleness has a function. Every bad thing he does fleshes himself out as a character and makes the work he's in more interesting. In the same way, every shitty thing Mettaton does is funny and makes him a much more interesting and likeable character than Alphys. Naturally that's my personal subjective opinion, but I enjoyed the Mettaton sections a hell of a lot more than the Alphys sections, and that's the test of a well-made character to me.

I can't see why anyone would be able to develop a strong opinion of Muffet either way. She lacks important things like character development and relevance to the plot. All she has going for her is a nice design and some kickass music.

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;49748138]I can't see why anyone would be able to develop a strong opinion of Muffet either way. She lacks important things like character development and relevance to the plot. All she has going for her is a nice design and some kickass music.[/QUOTE] And that's why she's the least liked. You don't get to know her enough to form a real opinion on her, unlike the entire rest of the cast.

[QUOTE=Monkah;49748053]how do you guys hate muffet so much she's like my fourth favorite, right underneath sans, blooky, and asgore[/QUOTE] Muffet is the best and Spider Dance is in my top 5 for the songs for the game

[QUOTE=Sift;49748101]Some things that happen on genocide's route can be her fault if you read into that text. As for Alphys she's a shitty person you're [i]forced[/i] to forgive and say you'll support. I get the feeling (pacifist stuff) [sp]like Asriel you'd have the choice to tell her no you're kind of a shitty person but Toby realized almost everyone would of chosen this.[/sp][/QUOTE] I understand her motivations and I think that earns sympathy from me. [sp]She's incredibly broken because of her massive failures, and her motivation is attempting to befriend you so that she can protect Asgore's life... Much like Toriel tries to protect your life from Asgore. She, like Toriel, realizes how unfair it is to keep you the way she has and relents to let you decide your own fate with Asgore. Although her heart was in the right place she has misguided notions and only comes to realize her shortcomings and move past them through friendship with you, like with the rest of the cast.[/sp] I find her to be the most tragic of the cast.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49748158]And that's why she's the least liked. You don't get to know her enough to form a real opinion on her, unlike the entire rest of the cast.[/QUOTE] Well I'm just thinking about like how people rank her up with the likes of the Skeletons and Undyne in these lists of major characters, when she just isn't one. If that's the case then why don't people add characters like Mad Dummy or Onionsan to the list.

[QUOTE=Fapplejack;49748203]Well I'm just thinking about like how people rank her up with the likes of the Skeletons and Undyne in these lists of major characters, when she just isn't one. If that's the case then why don't people add characters like Mad Dummy or Onionsan to the list.[/QUOTE] Are you implying people like Onion-san?

Onion-san owns and I'll fight you.

[QUOTE=Golden_Spork;49748220]Are you implying people like Onion-san?[/QUOTE] Y-you don't?

[QUOTE=Golden_Spork;49748220]Are you implying people like Onion-san?[/QUOTE] Well if it ever came down to Onionsan and Jerry, you know who would easily win that.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49748196]I understand her motivations and I think that earns sympathy from me. [sp]She's incredibly broken because of her massive failures, and her motivation is attempting to befriend you so that she can protect Asgore's life... Much like Toriel tries to protect your life from Asgore. She, like Toriel, realizes how unfair it is to keep you the way she has and relents to let you decide your own fate with Asgore. Although her heart was in the right place she has misguided notions and only comes to realize her shortcomings and move past them through friendship with you, like with the rest of the cast.[/sp] I find her to be the most tragic of the cast.[/QUOTE] [sp]The more I think about it the more I feel awful for the Amalgamates, there's no happy endings there. I'm not gonna lie, the true lab really got to me, and the "it's so cold" scene topped that off. I'm really on the fence about who has it worse in the end.[/sp]

[QUOTE=LSK;49748240][sp]The more I think about it the more I feel awful for the Amalgamates, there's no happy endings there. I'm not gonna lie, the true lab really got to me, and the "it's so cold" scene topped that off. I'm really on the fence about who has it worse in the end.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Consider that they were going to die anyway yet they found some form of peace and acceptance with their former families. Debates about playing god aside I think that their endings are not all that bad.[/sp]

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;49748269][sp]Consider that they were going to die anyway yet they found some form of peace and acceptance with their former families. Debates about playing god aside I think that their endings are not all that bad.[/sp][/QUOTE] [SP]It's just that they're still a bunch of souls trapped inside a hellish body. I don't think it could get any worse, I wonder what it's even like living like that. You can tell they're struggling back and forth over who has control and who says what. It really is a personal hell. I know they're with their families and all but man, what does that change? Actually that means only ONE of them is with their family anyways.[/sp]

[sp] Speaking of characters I really wish we knew more about Gaster. I mean I know he's supposed to be this elusive creature that you only know so much about him and part of the fun is actually never knowing the secret just like the TF2 Pyro identity. But I would love for Toby to develop him more in the same way he did with Sans. With little hints about he's past and how exactly he ceased to exist so people can actually speculate. The FUN values Easter eggs you can do in the game don't really count considering they are really vague and don't add all that much to he's character. He's probably by far one of the most interesting characters in the game that we know nothing about [/sp]

[sp]I think the implication is that your interactions with them allowed them to arrive at a peace of sorts. It definitely sucks but I don't think they wound up that bad... I like to think that their hell is a lot less bad and that with time it stopped being hell.[/sp]

[QUOTE=SoftHearted;49748281][sp] Speaking of characters I really wish we knew more about Gaster. I mean I know he's supposed to be this elusive creature that you only know so much about him and part of the fun is actually never knowing the secret just like the TF2 Pyro identity. But I would love for Toby to develop him more in the same way he did with Sans. With little hints about he's past and how exactly he ceased to exist so people can actually speculate. The FUN values Easter eggs you can do in the game don't really count considering they are really vague and don't add all that much to he's character. He's probably by far one of the most interesting character in the game that we know nothing about [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]While it would be cool to know more, I almost feel like that would defeat the point of the character. Undertale's world has all the video game stuff as reality, and Gaster is what happens to Cut Content.[/sp]

[sp]I think that Gaster is a parody of cut characters in games. It kind of asks the question "What would happen if a cut character was real?" and it takes that notion to its logical conclusion.[/sp]

[QUOTE=IrishBandit;49748300][sp]While it would be cool to know more, I almost feel like that would defeat the point of the character. Undertale's world has all the video game stuff as reality, and Gaster is what happens to Cut Content.[/sp][/QUOTE] Hmm, that's actually a nice theory. [sp] The game DOES say at some point in the fun values shenanigans that it doesn't matter if he existed or not. The timelines would have the same outcome either way so that's why he got scrapped from the final product [/sp] That's pretty brilliant if you think about it.

[QUOTE=SoftHearted;49748330]Hmm, that's actually a nice theory. [sp] The game DOES say at some point in the fun values shenanigans that it doesn't matter if he existed or not. The timelines would have the same outcome either way so that's why he got scrapped from the final product [/sp] That's pretty brilliant if you think about it.[/QUOTE] But of course Onion-San gets to stay.

I like Alphys. :(

[QUOTE=Raxas;49748400]I like Alphys. :([/QUOTE] I always got a good chuckle out of [sp]The constant status updates and the ones revolving around the protag[/sp]

Personally, I love Alphys. [sp]It's really not often that you get a character in games who has depression, and I can't think of many who have it in a way that's not meant to make them more of a gritty badass. Just the fact that Alphys is a big nerd loser with 0 self esteem or confidence who struggles to even make phone calls, it's really cool for me since I'm all those things and I struggle with depression too. And, I dunno, it feels really nice when you're something that doesn't really get a lot of representation in media to see it represented in media. Also she's the most adorkable lovable nerd so there's that too[/sp]

[sp]Alphys reminds me of me in a way. Not the depressed part, I like to think I'm not depressed, but the stuttering, awkwardness around others, hard time making phone calls, and so on are things I often have issues with. Makes her that much more adorkable.[/sp]