SimRacing General: successor to Forza/Gran Turismo/Racing thread - Games

[QUOTE=FFStudios;48065795]Maybe I just happened to join the wrong server. I left the pits safely and noticed a car on the lead lap coming up behind me and moved out of the racing line to let him go by me, and instead he stuck with the higher road and drove straight into my ass. I then got a "pretty funny, eh retard?" in chat and apologized, only for the same fucking thing to happen to another person the next time I left the pits :v: I still think I should drive all the cars in the game on a few tracks and get a feel for each one before going online, though. I'm not completely turned off to the idea of racing online (if anybody plays LFS, they know what pub races are like), I just like to know what I'm doing.[/QUOTE] Maybe there's a racing community with private servers that you can join? Germany has the "Bierbuden" (beer huts) which host weekly events of about 2 hours (45min practice, 15min qualy and 60min race) - so no need to join a league and sign up and feel compelled to be there for every race. Since it's for registered members only, the races are quite clean and the people on the forums are very helpful. There's got to be something like that for AC in the U.S... As far as public races are concerned... they are what they are. At least you only get to race against people who paid money for AC. So there may be lots of beginners, especially so soon after the Steam summer sale, but it's not quite as bad as the LFS demo servers :v: Just grit your teeth and take it slow through the first few corners, and there's a good chance you'll make it past the initial carnage. Oh, yeah, and I never join servers that have races without qualifying. [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] But yeah, I don't join servers with tracks or cars that I've never driven either. If everybody were as sensible as you about that, public online racing would be much better. Also, I think a lot of people don't know how overtaking rules work (right to inside/outside line), and that barging in through the inside is bad manners. Also, it's very difficult to stay aware of cars next to you unless you have VR, TrackIR or at least the Helicorsa app. Oh yeah, if you haven't got that last one yet, do get it. It displays a little radar screen with a top-down view of the situation whenever other cars are near. It's an absolute must if you want to be able to have door to door battles, and also helps you avoid dummies who don't know what they're doing. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-QYiXwAUOM[/media]

that helicorsa thing imo is cheating, takes away a lot of fun too

[QUOTE=zerosix;48066447]that helicorsa thing imo is cheating, takes away a lot of fun too[/QUOTE] Well, your field of view is much smaller, especially considering most people play with a single monitor. So having something like that helps with awareness. iRacing uses the spotter instead who tells you when someone is close. Which is probably the better way to do it.

Yep, downloading HeliCorsa. I miss NR2002 and NR2003's crew chief. "Car outside." "Car down low." "Three wide!" "You're all clear." [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] Also, I'd definitely join Bierbuden because while not fluent, I am most certainly able to speak and understand German and would feel very comfortable jumping into a community like that....so long as they were willing to admit an American [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] NR2002 & 2003 are Nascar Racing Season 2002 and 2003, for those that aren't interested in stock cars and probably never played the games. 2003 is widely regarded as one of the best racing games of all time, at least here in the USA.

They've got drivers from all over the world; you'll be in company of plenty of other Americans as you can see here: [URL]http://www.bierbuden.de/maps/[/URL] The place you want to go to is [URL]http://www.schwarzbierbude.de/[/URL] - that's the AC department. Races are on Mondays, practice begins at 7pm GMT.. might not be the best time for you :/

[QUOTE=zerosix;48066447]that helicorsa thing imo is cheating, takes away a lot of fun too[/QUOTE] it'd be like the same as having a spotter

[QUOTE=Skwee;48066709]it'd be like the same as having a spotter[/QUOTE] Maybe a little superior to a spotter, as it can get more info across in a shorter time, but I think that just makes up for not being able to glance left and right as quickly as you can in real life, especially with just one monitor.

what game doesn't have look left/look right buttons

Helicorsa is amazing and I think it should be standard for all games. I realize some people don't like it because "muh realism" but to me it's something that's so important and so helpful to clean racing, especially online, that it's worth having regardless of what you think is realistic. I'm not saying everybody should be forced to use it, but it's an amazing option to have for people without insanely expensive triple monitor setups. There's less intrusive and arcadey solutions to this problem which would also be good, but I like to bring up Helicorsa because of how informative it is. I actually [url=https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/situational-awareness-in-r3e.1925/]wrote a big thing on situational awareness over on the R3E forums[/url] recently about it in R3E and in general. It's one of those things that I care a lot about because it's a big shortcoming of racing sims that can't be fixed with better physics. Its an inherent limitation of the way you play the game, and I've always been a proponent of making sure the player in a sim (be it racing or flight) has the same capability as someone in real life, even if it means making some minor concessions to simulated realism. Honestly you can argue, and I do, that having some kind of tool that helps with SA is [I]more[/I] realistic than having nothing at all. Without it, you have less SA than a real driver would have, and that's not realistic.

[QUOTE=opaali;48066740]what game doesn't have look left/look right buttons[/QUOTE] Sometimes don't have enough buttons on the steering wheel for it. It's also not very fluid, as depending on the FOV and the car's pillar design, stuff can sit in a blind spot behind the A-pillars, and cars can creep up into the rear quarter panel area and neither a reverse view or a side view will catch them if one drives in first person.

It's like hit indicators, if you can't feel or hear where your character is getting hit from and there is no indication on screen then it is pretty frustrating because IRL if you got hit or shot at then you would feel or hear the direction it was coming from.

[QUOTE=Don Merino;48066698]They've got drivers from all over the world; you'll be in company of plenty of other Americans as you can see here: [URL]http://www.bierbuden.de/maps/[/URL] The place you want to go to is [URL]http://www.schwarzbierbude.de/[/URL] - that's the AC department. Races are on Mondays, practice begins at 7pm GMT.. might not be the best time for you :/[/QUOTE] 7pm GMT is 3pm EST. I work as a teacher in the summers and I do generally have weeks off in between camps so while I might not make it regularly, I sure can attend at least two or three of those in the near future. And then when I'm back at uni, I only have classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays and will DEFINITELY have time for races on Mondays :v: Danke sehr für die Hilfe, wir sehen uns auf der Rennstrecke :)

Anyone have any idea what car this is in a Forza 6 screenshot? [img]http://i.imgur.com/SweXJNn.png[/img] You can see the orange/green of a 787B and the green of a Bentley Speed 8, but does anyone know what the red/blue one is? The only racing car I recognise that colour scheme from is the IMSA 300ZX: [t]http://p1.pichost.me/i/61/1855501.jpg[/t] But it doesn't make much sense for one of those to be in a pack of LMP/GT1 cars.

[QUOTE=Saber15;48066845]Sometimes don't have enough buttons on the steering wheel for it. It's also not very fluid, as depending on the FOV and the car's pillar design, stuff can sit in a blind spot behind the A-pillars, and cars can creep up into the rear quarter panel area and neither a reverse view or a side view will catch them if one drives in first person.[/QUOTE] cars have blind spots?

[QUOTE=Why485;48065753]I think you're giving the average Assetto Corsa pubdriver too much credit. If you can complete like 5 laps without spinning out or running into a wall you're already in the top 10%. Good setups don't make that much of a difference for the level of skill you see in your average public race. I don't even play Assetto Corsa offline anymore. It's too boring. I'm a very average driver. Even when I get BTFO online, which doesn't happen anywhere near as often as you'd think as long as you can complete laps, it's still worlds more fun than racing offline against AI. Just the fact that I can usually finish a race from start to finish often puts me in the top quarter of the results. Friendly reminder that these are the kinds of people you're racing against when you play in public servers. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYVPnUoSQJ4[/media][/QUOTE] this is why i play iracing, i might not be that fast but atleast once you get a licence you can have a close race without people divebombing or running you over in every corner

[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;48067294]Anyone have any idea what car this is in a Forza 6 screenshot? [img]http://i.imgur.com/SweXJNn.png[/img] You can see the orange/green of a 787B and the green of a Bentley Speed 8, but does anyone know what the red/blue one is? The only racing car I recognise that colour scheme from is the IMSA 300ZX: [t]http://p1.pichost.me/i/61/1855501.jpg[/t] But it doesn't make much sense for one of those to be in a pack of LMP/GT1 cars.[/QUOTE] I think I found the answer to the question myself thanks to a picture from Forzacentral. [img]http://i.imgur.com/49ty759.gif[/img] Pretty awesome for such a rarity to actually be in a game from after 1999.

[QUOTE=opaali;48067372]cars have blind spots?[/QUOTE] The problem is much worse in a racing game than in IRL because you cannot fluidly look around the cockpit without TrackIR or a huge multi-monitor setup. If I were to just use the mirrors on my car, I have some pretty huge blind spots. But I can look to the left and right or over my shoulder, the latter of which I can't do in a game. Some also don't let you see the right mirror without panning your view, making it pretty useless. I really liked ETS2 because you could set either the right or both mirrors to always project on the sides of your screen.

[QUOTE=waylander;48067450]this is why i play iracing, i might not be that fast but atleast once you get a licence you can have a close race without people divebombing or running you over in every corner[/QUOTE] I stopped playing iRacing because it started to feel too much like a job, and I just wanted to have fun driving whatever I wanted. Though, I don't discount how good it is for online racing. There's really nothing like it. Also R3E online isn't usually that bad. The free weekend is drawing in players who don't even have a wheel, let alone any idea of racing etiquette. Although finding a race can be hard because R3E is mostly European players, I usually get decent racing out of it. [editline]27th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Saber15;48067592]The problem is much worse in a racing game than in IRL because you cannot fluidly look around the cockpit without TrackIR or a huge multi-monitor setup. If I were to just use the mirrors on my car, I have some pretty huge blind spots. But I can look to the left and right or over my shoulder, the latter of which I can't do in a game. Some also don't let you see the right mirror without panning your view, making it pretty useless. I really liked ETS2 because you could set either the right or both mirrors to always project on the sides of your screen.[/QUOTE] Even with TrackIR, it's still not as good as an extremely expensive triple monitor setup because of the latency and the fact that you're looking to your side versus it being peripheral vision. Triple monitor is as good as you're going to get until probably the Oculus Rift. However even with Oculus, you lack a lot of the peripheral vision you normally have, so it still might be better running with triple monitors anyway.

Not sure how i didn't see this thread, racing games in general are what i spent most of my time on :v: Heres my rig, though i havent really touched the wheel lately as because my screen is vice gripped to the table it sits on so the whole thing shakes with the wheel movement which makes it hard to concentrate on. Really need to invest in a tv stand [t]http://w85.imgup.net/chairsmall15e3.jpg[/t] [t]http://v64.imgup.net/chairsmall2bda.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=opaali;48066740]what game doesn't have look left/look right buttons[/QUOTE] It's not the same. [editline]28th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Saber15;48067592]The problem is much worse in a racing game than in IRL because you cannot fluidly look around the cockpit without TrackIR or a huge multi-monitor setup. If I were to just use the mirrors on my car, I have some pretty huge blind spots. But I can look to the left and right or over my shoulder, the latter of which I can't do in a game. Some also don't let you see the right mirror without panning your view, making it pretty useless. I really liked ETS2 because you could set either the right or both mirrors to always project on the sides of your screen.[/QUOTE] irl you can also see stuff creeping into your blind spot from the corner of your eye and take a quick look before it disappears. A single monitor setup with a 40° FOV doesn't let you do that. And when you use glance buttons, you lose sight of what's in front of you - again, unlike irl where you'll still see the road in your peripheral vision.

Thoughts on the current Dirt Rally Monthly Challenge after doing half of the stages: It is really disheartening to start off really well (Top 50 overall) for the first few stages, and then to fuck up three stages in a row due to the car getting stuck on small objects next to the side of the road, prompting a manual reset with a 20 second time penalty, then catching a puncture 3/4th in the longest stage, and wrecking your lights at the start of a night stage after getting stuck on a small object again. That shit cost me almost four minutes over 3 stages. Went from 50th to 500th by then. Welcome to rallying. It didn't exactly help that the Lancia Stratos, while having crazy acceleration for a 70s car, is so prone to spin off and also has such a small front windscreen. Meaning that during rainy stages, your vision gets hindered a lot by the windscreen wiper not cleaning the entire window, meaning that the edges of said window will get obscured by dirt or rain while already having pretty much the smallest cockpit window in the entire current line-up of cars. Plus, taking hairpins in the thing is not a matter of going fast through said hairpin, but going through it without spinning out in 180 degrees. Those Monte Carlo stages will be a hell because of hairpins on ice, meaning that it will be a matter of not wrecking the car instead of going as fast as possible. Judging from the current Daily Challenge with the Ford Escort Mk II, is the Escort compared to the Stratos way easier to handle overall. While the Escort seems clumsy at first and way less quicker with acceleration than the Stratos, I was surprised to see that I actually went quicker on the stage used for the Daily than with the Stratos, even after losing 10 seconds after spinning off one of the longer straights. The Escort can easily dart through some of the sharper corners compared to the Stratos without having to risk spinning out, and it is apparently faster than it looks and feels like. Also, for Weekly and Monthly Challenges, hire a full team of Mechanics. It doesn't even have to be a team of top mechanics, as having a team 4-5 mechanics hired means that you can easily fix all damages to the cars every two stages unless you really mess up badly.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/W5xcAzM.png[/IMG] It's here boys [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] The leaks were correct, opel kadet, opel manta, lancia 037, peugot 306, ibiza kit car, and 12 new german stages. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] Alpine didnt make it though

Okay it's gonna take a while to get the update for myself :suicide:

[QUOTE=Rockeiro123;48079020][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/W5xcAzM.png[/IMG] It's here boys [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] The leaks were correct, opel kadet, opel manta, lancia 037, peugot 306, ibiza kit car, and 12 new german stages. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] Alpine didnt make it though[/QUOTE] The Renault 5 Turbo didn't make the cut either for this update. Although according to the development timeline, there will be a Classic Icons car pack scheduled to release between this update and the Rallycross update. Seems they are saving the Alpine A110 and the Renault 5 for that pack.

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[QUOTE=Jordax;48079643]The Renault 5 Turbo didn't make the cut either for this update. Although according to the development timeline, there will be a Classic Icons car pack scheduled to release between this update and the Rallycross update. Seems they are saving the Alpine A110 and the Renault 5 for that pack.[/QUOTE] Noticed that too, it does sound right. I wonder if it'll just be those two alone in the pack or if there'll be more joining them.

does anyone have a playseat challenge? im wondering if its worth the money, in the reviews on amazon i saw a lot of complaints about itbeing quite narrow, it has a some serious advantages for someone like me being easy to store and reasonably cheap but i cant help thinking even if i got one id still want to go the 80/20 diy route with a real car seat

planning on buying adac gt 2014 for r3e, i already own a lot of the tracks in the pack so will i get a discount?

Not on Steam you won't, afaik. But if you buy it through the R3E shop, all the content you already own will be deducted from the price. Can result in quite a hefty discount if you already have a lot of the tracks. Your final price on checkout should reflect it correctly.

theres some cheeky fucks that play iracing, turn me on a short course oval (x4, lost position, lose ~10 laps towing) then send "good job" in private channel, the stupid fucker ran me over when i was giving him the inside as a lapped car. overall its pretty good though, im already in promotion position and i didnt race w1 and only did a couple of races this week, i can probably get 4.0 sr and early promotion next week