World of Warcraft: Legion - Games

[QUOTE=Chickens!;48404872]Would be the first time Alliance had the main stage in many many years.[/QUOTE] I do think it's nice that the Alliance finally gets more participation. I like both factions, but I've always been more attached to the Horde because it's always had that heavy and savage tone that I really liked. With the addition of worgens I moved towards Ally a little bit more, but they were just one race. Not to mention I played on MG, so pretty much half of the worgen playerbase was furries and that crowd can get pretty tiring. Like JC said, now with pretty much all the interesting characters Horde wise dead or neutered into really flat and boring dudes I can't really see much happening with them as a faction. It's clear they wanted some sort of upheaval, but this was definitely not the way to go about it. I do like Vol'jin's nonstop antagonism with orcs, but at the same time I really don't because he got rid of Garrosh and also because it took him like 6 years to get his dumb isles back. I don't know how to get my friends playing again. I also managed to get my brother to play WoD with me, but he also felt the same about the new Horde even though he doesn't really care about lore. He quit before I did.

Me and my friend are just gonna wait and see how the expansion is received and maybe get it depending on that, didnt even do WoD raiding.

[QUOTE=Water-Marine;48404793]I just want faction warfare. I know, there's PvP zones in just about every area, but that's just it. They feel like PvP zones. As far as the story goes, we're basically just helping the opposing side to fight a force between us all while making pouty faces about it. I was actually rooting for Jaina in the MoP cinematic, but then everything just boiled down to "hey lol don't do dumb shit and we'll be best buddies"[/QUOTE] Jaina was literally urging Varian to: Re-enslave the orcs Displace the Tauren throughout Kalimdor Do God knows what to the trolls Declare genocide on the Forsaken (though this could be semi-justifiable as they do sort of want to genocide everyone.) The blood elves might find their way into the Alliance, and Lord knows the goblins will backstab the Horde the moment the Alliance offers them more money. [editline]7th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;48404865]Thrall is 99% going to be dead so I bet Vol'jin will be getting some screen time this expansion. I'm an Alliance man myself but yeah Horde seem to be getting shafted a bit. Sylvanas is a dick, Cairne is dead, Goblins aren't really loyal or expanded on, Blood Elves suck, but Vol'jin is a boss so hopefully he can make the Horde cooler as the leader.[/QUOTE] I'm really really hoping Vol'Jin proves himself worthy of warchief. They really don't expand on him that much which sucks because he really is an excellent character. Also more pandaren do I need to keep saying this.

Does anyone have a feeling that Jania will be the end boss of the new violet hold instance?

Man, the more I think about SV being melee instead of BM, the madder I get. Seems like such a missed opportunity to have a cool spec with hunter and pet fighting side by side.

I hope they plan to change things up for all class specs and not just give all this special attention to hunters once again. I mean I play a rogue and they've given me a fucking bone shaped dagger, are you r32rfwefwegrehhhtre

[QUOTE=Fangz;48405992]Does anyone have a feeling that Jania will be the end boss of the new violet hold instance?[/QUOTE] If they end up disposing all of the potential interesting characters in dungeons and early raids, then to say that I will be disappointed will be an understatement. I loathe what they did to Ner'zhul in WoD, they hyped him as a giant threat to the embryonic alliance expedition force only to have us casually waltz into Shadowmoon, hit him in the face, and call it a day and walk right back out again. Same thing with Kargath Bladefist, very first boss of the first raid. The warlords all had potential to be interesting bosses with show-stealing mechanics based on the backstory given in the pre-expansion videos where Varian is talking with Maraad about what they're up against. But nope. Half of them killed off by the time foundry is released. [editline]8th August 2015[/editline] While Jaina needs to be seriously put in line, I really don't think she deserves being put down.

Why would they kill Jaina? She's an amazing character.

[QUOTE=gastyne;48406411]Why would they kill Jaina? She's an amazing character.[/QUOTE] She's a bit of a hypocrite. The Alliance started a massive offensive on the Barrens directly from Northwatch Keep and Theramore, with plans to make headway directly into Orgrimmar by building a big fucking road(?) there even if it meant crushing every single little Horde outpost in the way and she just bitches out when Garrosh retaliates with extreme prejudice. Was it overkill to use WMDs? Sure, but at the same time Garrosh had a very personal grudge with Jaina since Thrall insisted time and time again that she be allowed to stay there. When the Alliance attacked from Theramore, something that was [B]100% guaranteed[/B] to happen, Thrall was nowhere near and very much safe from the effects of those attacks, so Garrosh obviously went ham. The Horde could've very easily won a straightforward assault against Jaina's forces in Theramore, even more so if Baine hadn't betrayed literally everybody. The mana bomb was more of a personal fuck you to Jaina for trying to pull all that shit and thinking she could get away with it. Not to mention Ronin also broke a non-involvement agreement between the two warring factions just to help out Jaina, which was very much a punishable and misguided action. He even brought other members of the Kirin Tor into it, one of them being Thalen Songweaver, a Horde member with loyalty in his heart that helped set up the mana bomb and make them pay for their treacherous little deeds. That's atleast my two cents, trying to be as objective as possible. I have some decent views from both my Alliance RP buddies and all of my Horde RP buddies who legitimately believe Garrosh did nothing wrong and that everyone else in the Horde is a traitor.

Daelin Proudmoore was right: [I]''You have always been naive my daughter, you aren't old enough to remember what these monsters did to our homeland. The orcs and their kin cannot be trusted! They must be exterminated like the mongrels they are! And I understand more than you suspect my dear" [/I]Jania then allowed the Horde to storm in and kill her father.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;48406526]on the topic of possibly dying female characters While I greatly dislike Sylvanas, I do hope there will be a proper(undoubtedly dramatic) Windrunner reunion before her death/abandoning of the forsaken folk. Especially since they said Alleria & Turalyon would play a part in this expansion. [/QUOTE] There was one in the novel Warcrimes.

Jaina's mind has probably been warped by the after effects of the mana bomb, maybe like mana radiation or something. I'd be sad to see her go, but if Blizzard has her being an antagonist or some chaotic neutral fourth party that would be cool as long as they pull it off right. I'd rather see her go down in a blaze of glory by magically annihilating thousands of Legion members than seeing 20 paladins smacking on her with Ashbringer in a raid.

I'd bang Jaina

The deal with Jaina is that, like far too many characters from the lore, she has gone a 180° degree turn in personality by grabbing the conflict ball and nowadays just serves as another warmonger to feed the useless Alliance versus Horde conflict We've already seen something like this with Illidan and Kael'thas, to name the most famous example

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;48407229]The deal with Jaina is that, like far too many characters from the lore, she has gone a 180° degree turn in personality by grabbing the conflict ball and nowadays just serves as another warmonger to feed the useless Alliance versus Horde conflict We've already seen something like this with Illidan and Kael'thas, to name the most famous example[/QUOTE] IMO Jaina's character arc is fairly believable and if she stayed a pacifistic mediator the entire time she would be boring.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;48406031]Man, the more I think about SV being melee instead of BM, the madder I get. Seems like such a missed opportunity to have a cool spec with hunter and pet fighting side by side.[/QUOTE] Eh. The other way survival hunters could have gone to make them unique would be to use traps in an interesting way. But I'm not sure blizz wants to deal with making that work. It'd just be weird, they do have trap launcher nowadays, but that's not quite a trap if it's something you launch at the boss's face. Though rexxar is most closely a beast master, I mean, he just has tons of pets, a quillboar, his bear, and a bird I believe in warcraft 3. And you also see him with that raven in warlords. So I do see what you mean. [QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;48407276]IMO Jaina's character arc is fairly believable and if she stayed a pacifistic mediator the entire time she would be boring.[/QUOTE] She was aggressive at first though, in WC3 she was disgusted at the idea of working with thrall. But overtime as they interacted she learned that the horde aren't just what her father told her they were, leading to the pacifistic nice Jaina. which was then 180d. I dunno, I see her as somebody that's above the faction conflict stuff as thrall somewhat is.

Jaina Proudbottom.

So i'm rather on the fence currently for coming back to this. Had fun for the most part, though i did drop off during the painful wait for 6.2. Should i even bother? I'd be starting fresh, and have frankly no idea what race/class wouldn't be terrible.

demon hunters find out jaina is actually being controlled by a demon due to her emotional state after the bombing and then she/the demon go crazy when confronted about it and then we kill her

At the end of the expac we find out that everyone is actually a Dreadlord in disguise except for Illidan who turns out to be two goblins stacked on top of each other in a big coat.

Illidan can now hold the entire Gul'dan on his hand instead of just his skull

If this expansion turns out to be a great redemption adventure for Illidan, I'm going to flip my shit

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;48407161]Jaina's mind has probably been warped by the after effects of the mana bomb, maybe like mana radiation or something. I'd be sad to see her go, but if Blizzard has her being an antagonist or some chaotic neutral fourth party that would be cool as long as they pull it off right. I'd rather see her go down in a blaze of glory by magically annihilating thousands of Legion members than seeing 20 paladins smacking on her with Ashbringer in a raid.[/QUOTE] Her mind has probably been warped via being the lone survivor of a nuclear attack on her home.

Has anything been said about scenarios? I kinda liked them

Doubt scenarios will make a return outside of small solo events.

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;48408341]If this expansion turns out to be a great redemption adventure for Illidan, I'm going to flip my shit[/QUOTE] I can like 200% guarantee that he'll redeem himself via sacrifice, Tyrande will forever morn and love him, Malf will be like resentful of it but will respect him or some shit.

[QUOTE=kenji;48408540]I can like 200% guarantee that he'll redeem himself via sacrifice, Tyrande will forever morn and love him, Malf will be like resentful of it but will respect him or some shit.[/QUOTE] I'm betting he survives and joins the reformed baddie squad with Lich King, Grom, Medivh and Kael'Thas' head

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48408608]I'm betting he survives and joins the reformed baddie squad with Lich King, Grom, Medivh and Kael'Thas' head[/QUOTE] Finally the third faction we've been asking for.

[QUOTE=MajesticPT;48408289]Illidan now can now hold the entire Gul'dan on his hand instead of just his skull[/QUOTE] That is going to be really awkward when brought up in conversation, Illidan consumed his skull for his demonic powers and then kept it as a trophy.

I really hope Grom just stays in Draenor. The way they've handled the other Hellscreams thus far, he'll do something rad for a bit and then become the shittiest possible villain in a blink of an eye. I do wonder what they'll do with Bolvar after Legion. It only makes sense to keep the chain of throwbacks going with a new/old Lich King.