[QUOTE=Grandzeit;50950645]Different ultimates with different downsides and counters for different occasions, used by characters with different useful kits. What about charge time? Synergies? How easy they are to use?
You can also use the "easy to avoid" argument with your two examplesl, as people should be prepared when they see the enemy Zarya/Reinhardt starting to charge right into you.[/QUOTE]
Ok.
Reinhardt's ultimate is Earth Shatter.
Earth Shatter charges insanely fast, Land a few Flame strikes and bam its up.
Earth Shatter has a very fast activation time
Earth Shatter has an unclear area of effect, including air enemies and doesnt' use Line of Sight
Earth Shatter is only blockable by shields (Winston/Zarya/Reinhardt)
Affected enemies cannot retaliate against you at all.
Earth Shatter does not need a follow up ult to get kills out of it, Flame Strike and Charge can do the job just fine.
Self Destruct:
Charges at a moderate to slow rate
Has a predictable activation time
Uses line of Sight and can be broken easily
Is blockable with shields. (Winston/Zarya/Reinhardt)
Can simply be killed while in on foot mode.
Usually needs a stun ult
I consider Graviton surge to be just as good as earth shatter, but it is easier to escape and charges slower, plus sides is that it team wipes so much easier and lasts longer.
Thats usually how I compare ultimates, in which 9/10 times I'd rather have Earth shatter than Self Destruct. The biggest issue with large crowd control utlimates is that synergy isn't even really needed with utlimates, all you need is some burst dps.
Which both Reinhardt and Zarya can dish out.
Gee sure do love losing potg to a 3 man rez where we all die as soon as we respawn.
I became incredibly effective at Junkrat when I realized that you shouldn't use your traps for map control (as a defense hero), but instead throw the frantically at your foes at point blank (like an offensive class) and achieve multiple kill
does anyone know when the PTR is getting pushed to main client?
[QUOTE=Rolond Returns;50950775]does anyone know when the PTR is getting pushed to main client?[/QUOTE]
I'd suppose September 6, at the same time where they push out the new Competitive Season.
Otherwise there's no ETA by the looks of it.
[QUOTE=Oizen;50950660]Ok.
Reinhardt's ultimate is Earth Shatter.
Earth Shatter charges insanely fast, Land a few Flame strikes and bam its up.
Earth Shatter has a very fast activation time
Earth Shatter has an unclear area of effect, including air enemies and doesnt' use Line of Sight
Earth Shatter is only blockable by shields (Winston/Zarya/Reinhardt)
Affected enemies cannot retaliate against you at all.
Earth Shatter does not need a follow up ult to get kills out of it, Flame Strike and Charge can do the job just fine.
Self Destruct:
Charges at a moderate to slow rate
Has a predictable activation time
Uses line of Sight and can be broken easily
Is blockable with shields. (Winston/Zarya/Reinhardt)
Can simply be killed while in on foot mode.
Usually needs a stun ult
I consider Graviton surge to be just as good as earth shatter, but it is easier to escape and charges slower, plus sides is that it team wipes so much easier and lasts longer.
Thats usually how I compare ultimates, in which 9/10 times I'd rather have Earth shatter than Self Destruct. The biggest issue with large crowd control utlimates is that synergy isn't even really needed with utlimates, all you need is some burst dps.
Which both Reinhardt and Zarya can dish out.[/QUOTE]
But Earthshatter does need line of sight? It doesn't go through walls and shit (except payload).
from my experience earthshatter is global is stuns you literally no matter where you are in relation to reinhardt
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;50950817]from my experience earthshatter is global is stuns you literally no matter where you are in relation to reinhardt[/QUOTE]
earthshatter has the weirdest hitbox, i've been straight in front of a rein on a set of stairs and it didn't affect me at all. and at other times i've been behind corners and the thing manages to nab me
[QUOTE=Oizen;50950660]
team wipes so much easier[/QUOTE]
eh, earth shatter on the healers means that team is just dead. unlike graviton which can be countered by zen and lucio ults
[QUOTE=QUILTBAG;50949855]I'm not sure how this is considered valid criticism for only D.Va while people vehemently defend characters like Tracer and Widow calling them "so deep bro"
Nearly every single playable hero is flat as a board character-wise[/QUOTE]
I think at least almost every other character is at least somewhat important to the overall backstory or setting. Dv.a just fights some giant Omnic this just shows up and harasses Korea sometimes.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;50950938]I think at least almost every other character is at least somewhat important to the overall backstory or setting. Dv.a just fights some giant Omnic this just shows up and harasses Korea sometimes.[/QUOTE]
how is actively fighting against a huge raging remnant of the omnic crisis making her any less significant than;
symmetra, who works a 9-5 for a shifty company
roadhog and junkrat, who are theives
zenyatta, who is a monk
bastion, who is a robot and is ok
zarya, who also just fought omnics
etc
I hope on Halloween we get a new mode that let's us fight zombie Omnics.
I'm hoping that Sombra is a new gamemode for us to fight Omnics
How to quick play
Step 1) Pick Genji
Step 2) Do nothing all game, bonus points if you type "wtf" in chat anytime you die
Step 3) Press Q
Step 4) Win game for team by mindlessly W+M1'ing into them as they make the final push
Step 5) Shit talk the enemy team for being "trash"
[media] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkAuaFLgo2w[/url] [/media]
Literally quick play right now, when the fuck is comp back
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;50951035]I hope on Halloween we get a new mode that let's us fight zombie Omnics.[/QUOTE]
An Omnic Crisis PvE mode could be cool. Especially if the God Program made them zombie-like for Halloween.
The vs AI gamemode feels zombie-like as it is.
For me, Earth Shatter blows when i use it, no matter how clear the enemies are in front of me.
From an enemy Rein, his Earth Shatter is the most godlike ult ever, hitting everybody no matter what.
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;50950991]how is actively fighting against a huge raging remnant of the omnic crisis making her any less significant than;
symmetra, who works a 9-5 for a shifty company
roadhog and junkrat, who are theives
zenyatta, who is a monk
bastion, who is a robot and is ok
zarya, who also just fought omnics
etc[/QUOTE]
There might be one or two characters more shallow, more obnoxious, or more pointless to the story than D.va, but none are so much of all three. That "so good at video games thier government needed thier help" cliche and inexplicably unstoppable robot Godzilla don't really balance out the fact her personality is memes.
Fucks sake I can't even pick Bastion without everyone on the other team putting all their focus into me.
20 player killstreak on Mumbai as Mei
I don't even get onto the voting screen.
Come on. What does it take
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;50951178]20 player killstreak on Mumbai as Mei
I don't even get onto the voting screen.
Come on. What does it take[/QUOTE]
"Damage blocked: 371" is the kind of card I typically get as Mei, no matter how many people die of a nasty hypothermia.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;50951178]20 player killstreak on Mumbai as Mei
I don't even get onto the voting screen.
Come on. What does it take[/QUOTE]
I often get on the voting screen as Reaper, not for my gold medal in kills, but for my 29 souls absorbed...
Really Blizz?
I've never been so amused and infuriated at the same time before.
[QUOTE=Petrussen;50951249][vid]https://my.mixtape.moe/guoguk.mp4[/vid][/QUOTE]
Wow, that didn't take long
[QUOTE=CobyB;50951052]I'm hoping that Sombra is a new gamemode for us to fight Omnics[/QUOTE]
I'd love for a warmap where omnics push a bomb to a human hole or something kinda like mvm but both teams are playable (the last abstion made it look so cool ;-;)
Well this is interesting. I guess the data Blizzard is pulling for Season 2 on the PTR suggests Mercy and Lucio are placing low.
[quote=Jeff Kaplan]I am loathe to ask for anecdotal evidence on this but I want to see if this matches your perception...
Ignoring Season 1 Placement (too much has changed since then so please disregard)
AND
Ignoring Season 2 PTR placement from BEFORE the reset (we changed a bunch of things)
SO...
...For those who placed a SECOND time on the PTR ****ONLY****...
(wow, that's a lot of rules...but stay with me here)
...from our data it seems like Zenyatta and Ana mains should be ok? But Mercy and Lucio might have placed lower? Does that sound accurate to what you're seeing? Or is there still the blanket statement that "all supports place lower" -- would appreciate your input if you meet the criteria above...
(ironically, if all of this is true, then Junkrat mains placed very low as well...FWIW)[/quote]
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[quote=Jeff Kaplan]Thanks for the input, guys. This is really helpful. A lot of what you're saying aligns with what we're seeing.
We've made so many changes since Season 1 that the data from that Season is not relevant anymore. Also, we made significant changes after the placement reset on the PTR. So our sample size is limited in evaluating this. It's also somewhat tainted because much of the feedback we get is either Season 1 holdover feedback or pre-"placement reset" Season 2 feedback. So trying to separate out all of the old issues from possible current new ones is challenging.
What it looks like to us is:
--Zen places fine
--Ana places fine
--Mercy places low (fix in flight)
--Lucio places really low (fix in flight)
There were other heroes (non-support) who were placing too high and too low... and there are fixes in flight for these as well. This should further help to balance things out... hopefully. We'll keep a very close eye on this and continue to make improvements as needed.[/quote]
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[QUOTE=Petrussen;50951249]I've never been so amused and infuriated at the same time before.[/QUOTE]
The Lego Racers music makes this perfect. I'm so sorry man.
Also, I really need to find a way of recording any interesting clips. I've used Shadowplay but whole fuck the files it produces are big and my internet would probably take hours to upload a 100 MB file, nevermind anything else bigger. Any suggestions for free programs?
All supports (still primarily Mercy and Lucio) also placed lower last season, which was a common complaint.
They don't deal much damage and they don't get their own kills, so they would typically not get a whole lot of points during a match compared to Zenyatta, Ana and other heroes, which affects your placement.
Glad they aknowledged it and are fixing it up for Season 2.
[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;50951419]Kaplan quotes[/QUOTE]
From the same thread there is an observation that accuracy probably plays a significant role in placements, i.e Lucio and Junkrat tend to spam their projectiles to cover a chokepoint, leading to very low accuracy over a large amount of shots fired
[QUOTE]--Lucio places [B]really[/B] low (fix in flight)[/QUOTE]
Goddamn, no wonder why i hated my placement in season 1
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;50951181]"Damage blocked: 371" is the kind of card I typically get as Mei, no matter how many people die of a nasty hypothermia.[/QUOTE]
Check it, best tank NA. Get me pro teams.
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