Battlefield Franchise Megathread V2 - 'The Future of Warfare Is in the Past' Edition - Games

[QUOTE=theobod;50510712]Expecting realism and that type of effort into a Battlefield game looking back at Bf3, Bf4 and Hardline really makes you look dumb. I am super hyped for BF1 and if I want a more hardcore realistic game in that nature that you describe there is other games for that purpose.[/QUOTE] The original games were made by the same devs (with some minor exceptions), is it really that outlandish to expect that a WW1 Battlefield would have been more similar to 1942? I mean, I love many of the features of the newer games: destructible buildings, deforming terrain, the sound design, and graphics. Hell, their hitboxes aren't broken (at least since I last played BF3). But there's just a lot that the new ones don't do that the old ones did. I for one, am looking forwards to what DICE has in store for us when it comes to trains, navy and horse cavalry. We haven't had a proper navy aspect in Battlefield since 1942 (unless 1943 did it as well, can't tell you since I haven't played it), and both trains and horse cavalry are brand new in terms of gameplay. That's already enough to be excited about for BF1.

Oh and I'm looking through this book I have on firearms and the Italians issued an SMG in 1915. So it's not like they couldn't smudge it and give it to other allied powers and I hope they do.

[QUOTE=bdd458;50511520]Oh and I'm looking through this book I have on firearms and the Italians issued an SMG in 1915. So it's not like they couldn't smudge it and give it to other allied powers and I hope they do.[/QUOTE] What was the SMG, if you don't mind me asking?

I'll forgive the SMG/semiauto spam if they pull an alternate history WWI going into the 1920s type thing.

[QUOTE=G.I.U.L.I.O.;50511547]What was the SMG, if you don't mind me asking?[/QUOTE] Villar-Perosa, which is an aircraft gun. Probably won't be in the game.

So then not a 'true SMG'. But it was issued to troops... hm, I do think it's not entirely unlikely that we will see it ingame, considering some of the other oddities.

[QUOTE=G.I.U.L.I.O.;50511638]So then not a 'true SMG'. But it was issued to troops... hm, I do think it's not entirely unlikely that we will see it ingame, considering some of the other oddities.[/QUOTE] No reason to with the Beretta 1918 in the game.

I am thinking the classes will have some cross-class carbine bolt-action rifles, we just haven't seen them yet. Since in the gameplay it was pretty obvious they didn't give them all the weapons ingame. I mean BF4 had marksmen rifles for all classes and carbines. Soo i don't see any reason why they wouldn't do it this time. Also that russian winchester rifle got me pretty excited, its one those guns that look old and new at the same time for ww1 era gun.

Assuming the warship is an endgame vehicle that's completely controllable like the zeppelin, I guess A naval warfare expansion like the one from BF4 is not impossible. Only this time we could control actual warships. Considering DICE is throwing historical accuracy completely out of the window, we could even have aircraft carriers. Britain used a lot of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ark_Royal_(1914)"]seaplane carriers[/URL] in WW1 , and at the end of the war they built an actual [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Furious_(47)"]aircraft carrier[/URL] . Of course you'd also have the subs and destroyers like in battlefield 1942. Something like wake Island 1918 sounds pretty sweet to me.

Pretty good aggressive scout gameplay with some melee stuff: [video=youtube;5qqBbyvF7mk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqBbyvF7mk[/video] I like how the new melee works compared to that disgusting shit in bf4.

What's the point of a World War 1 battlefield game if you're just going to throw most of the accuracy out the window.

Hey... I'll actually have a computer to play Battlefield 1 this time

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;50512654]What's the point of a World War 1 battlefield game if you're just going to throw most of the accuracy out the window.[/QUOTE] Why does the setting being WW1 warrant a fully historically accurate game every time though? Just because a game's set in a time period doesn't mean its value should be entirely based on historical authenticity. Most games set in different time periods are heavily inaccurate unless deliberately otherwise. Modern battlefield games are hardly a realistic portrayal of modern warfare and the equipment used so why would you expect a WW1 battlefield game to be any different? EDIT: To answer your question though. It's a fresh change of scenery and setting and I'm personally looking forward to there being less lock-on style combat and more of a focus on careful shooting. I'd have liked bolt action rifles to be more prevalent though, maybe something all classes can use like carbines in BF4.

[QUOTE=gothiclampshade;50512874]Why does the setting being WW1 warrant a fully historically accurate game every time though? Just because a game's set in a time period doesn't mean its value should be entirely based on historical authenticity. Most games set in different time periods are heavily inaccurate unless deliberately otherwise. Modern battlefield games are hardly a realistic portrayal of modern warfare and the equipment used so why would you expect a WW1 battlefield game to be any different? EDIT: To answer your question though. It's a fresh change of scenery and setting and I'm personally looking forward to there being less lock-on style combat and more of a focus on careful shooting. I'd have liked bolt action rifles to be more prevalent though, maybe something all classes can use like carbines in BF4.[/QUOTE] If you're going to do something set in a specific time period, do it right. Don't dumb it down to appeal to idiots who don't know any better. This isn't even remotely close to doing WWI right. [editline]13th June 2016[/editline] Battlefield 1 is not a World War 1 shooter. It's lowest common denominator garbage.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;50511606]Villar-Perosa, which is an aircraft gun. Probably won't be in the game.[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/3J3yEpC.jpg[/t] DK/Smithsonian Firearms: An Illustrated History

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;50513093]If you're going to do something set in a specific time period, do it right. Don't dumb it down to appeal to idiots who don't know any better. This isn't even remotely close to doing WWI right. [editline]13th June 2016[/editline] Battlefield 1 is not a World War 1 shooter. It's lowest common denominator garbage.[/QUOTE] Okay, it's not your 100% WW1 game but calling it garbage is a bit of a stretch.

Loving the fact that you can self repair vehicles but you need to stand still and it takes a little while. You can also choose when to reload your main cannon. It's the little things. Basically makes it so you don't need a dedicated repairman that doesn't do anything all match.

Is there a link to the 1 hour stream?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;50512654]What's the point of a World War 1 battlefield game if you're just going to throw most of the accuracy out the window.[/QUOTE] The point is it results in a game that people actually want to play.

[QUOTE=sa2fan;50513350]Okay, it's not your 100% WW1 game but calling it garbage is a bit of a stretch.[/QUOTE] Ok the graphics are excellent and it looks like it would be fun for a while. I'll give it that much. It's still not a WWI game though. [editline]13th June 2016[/editline] They shouldn't have made a WWI game if they had to throw any sort of authenticity out the window to convince a board of executives that people would want to play it though.

[QUOTE=Squarebob;50513511]The point is it results in a game that people actually want to play.[/QUOTE] [B][Citation needed][/B]

We don't know that nobody wants to play an authentic WWI game because nobody has tried it yet.

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;50513767]We don't know that nobody wants to play an authentic WWI game because nobody has tried it yet.[/QUOTE] Verdun is a decent game, but it does a lot of things wrong, plus it's an indie game.

I think they still have a chance to make some of the things nation specific. Maybe they were just trying to show as much as they could during E3.

I want to see a full weapons per class list. That would ease a lot of my fears tbh.

Love how people assume that nobody wants to play a good and truly authentic WW1 FPS multiplayer game over the standard fare that is the modern Battlefield, despite not having any proof proving their view.

[QUOTE=G.I.U.L.I.O.;50514038]Love how people assume that nobody wants to play a good and truly authentic WW1 FPS multiplayer game over the standard fare that is the modern Battlefield, despite not having any proof proving their view.[/QUOTE] There's no doubt at all that people want a realism and authenticity focused WW1 game, it's just battlefield really isn't the franchise for realism/simulation and so expecting Dice to change the formula entirely is an unreasonable expectation. The over the top, action packed style battlefield has caters to a much wider audience than a realism based one and so it's a much safer investment of development time and money for EA/Dice to produce. Without a doubt, now that WW1 has a bigger presence in gaming because of BF1 we'll be seeing more titles with the setting, and most likely one that caters to a historical realism crowd with it, it's just [B]this[/B] won't be that game.

[QUOTE=gothiclampshade;50514133]There's no doubt at all that people want a realism and authenticity focused WW1 game, it's just battlefield really isn't the franchise for realism/simulation and so expecting Dice to change the formula entirely is an unreasonable expectation. The over the top, action packed style battlefield has caters to a much wider audience than a realism based one and so it's a much safer investment of development time and money for EA/Dice to produce. Without a doubt, now that WW1 has a bigger presence in gaming because of BF1 we'll be seeing more titles with the setting, and most likely one that caters to a historical realism crowd with it, it's just [B]this[/B] won't be that game.[/QUOTE] You missed the point that I'm trying to make: I'm entirely fine with over the top. I'm fine with people walking on top of the zeppelin and shooting. I'm fine with a focus on more mobile warfare. I'm fine with quick melee kills. Hell, if someone can ride on the wings of the biplanes like you used to be able to do in BF1942, I'd find it hilarious. What I'm [I]not[/I] fine with is the lack of authenticity: overabundance of semis and smgs; tanks that move [I]way[/I] too fast; planes being used by nations that normally didn't use them; absurd kits that don't fit the period. Criticize me for being 'an old timer,' but BF1942 and BF2, while not realistic, were entirely authentic. I'd also make the argument that BF3 is kind of authentic, but BF1 clearly isn't trying to be authentic to the WW1 setting -- it's just a quick paced arcade shooter with WW1 as the background at the moment.

[QUOTE=Avager;50512078]Pretty good aggressive scout gameplay with some melee stuff: [video=youtube;5qqBbyvF7mk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqBbyvF7mk[/video] I like how the new melee works compared to that disgusting shit in bf4.[/QUOTE] I just cannot get over how nice the German Empire's uniform cuffs are. Really silly thing to focus on but... damn that's swagger.

[QUOTE=G.I.U.L.I.O.;50514314]You missed the point that I'm trying to make: I'm entirely fine with over the top. I'm fine with people walking on top of the zeppelin and shooting. I'm fine with a focus on more mobile warfare. I'm fine with quick melee kills. Hell, if someone can ride on the wings of the biplanes like you used to be able to do in BF1942, I'd find it hilarious. What I'm [I]not[/I] fine with is the lack of authenticity: overabundance of semis and smgs; tanks that move [I]way[/I] too fast; planes being used by nations that normally didn't use them; absurd kits that don't fit the period. Criticize me for being 'an old timer,' but BF1942 and BF2, while not realistic, were entirely authentic. I'd also make the argument that BF3 is kind of authentic, but BF1 clearly isn't trying to be authentic to the WW1 setting -- it's just a quick paced arcade shooter with WW1 as the background at the moment.[/QUOTE] [I]Entirely[/I] authentic is a bit of a stretch, because they did a lot of silly things like giving the Japanese Assault an StG-44 (which admittedly was later replaced by a Japanese MG in a patch), but I agree with the rest of your post. I just think it's kind of a wasted opportunity. On the bright side, the crazy lengths they're going to in digging up super obscure weapons to add to the game is pretty cool. As with the rest of modern Battlefield, I maintain that they're still great games in their own right. Arguably, the series is the best it's ever been. I still love the series and have a ton of playing it, it's just not "my" Battlefield or the Battlefield I grew up with anymore.